Rarely comment here, but after receiving the email from the ten club, thought I'd try and find out what prompted it...18 pages later...now need to work out how to post a photo from my iPad! Bear with me!
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Rarely comment here, but after receiving the email from the ten club, thought I'd try and find out what prompted it...18 pages later...now need to work out how to post a photo from my iPad! Bear with me!
Kudos to you if you actually read it all! Lots of people just pull out the parts to suit their argument and ignore other points made. Hopefully you can post it and everyone can have a clear understanding of the policy.
do we really need a letter or anything ro use common sense??cheating is bad is every way im having a blast this tour and i dont have time with stupid things like that..i walk in and watch the show.show my wtistband and get into the inner circle...nothing more....and got rail 4 shows..side but still rail..and without even me trying what people 'want ti happened to them" by waiting all day in line ..happened to me so easily..drunk twice eddie wine..2times had handshake with eddie...git tambourine..mike wave and said hi greece ..and last night eddie gave me handshake.saw my flag and start shiuting..its you..YOU!!and then he start pointing my shirt and laugh his ass off with the "×why now u dont bitching shirt i was wearing...i just fuckin walk im at venue 30 min befire show time....thinhs will happen when u dont force them...u dint have to sleep in thw fuckin street all night
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I got the email and I am attending Leeds. Should be interesting
Can you copy and paste it for us?
Scroll up. There's a picture of it.
That's a picture of a piece of paper that anyone could have made, not an email. Not even any addresses or anything. It looks like it was typed up on Word. I think people are wanting to see an actual email... the whole problem is that normally if something like that were emailed by 10c people would he seeing way more comments about it and getting it forwarded to them by other members, people would be posting screen shots, etc. The fact that that isn't happening here is making us all suspect there was no email. Sorry, lol. Just seems odd.
The email is true. I have it for the final shows I'm attending. What does it matter if you haven't seen the email? If you aint on this tour you don't get the email. Those attending the Fall tour will get the email. Calling the email fake just because you didnt get one only adds to the problem. Stop being so cynical.
2000: Manchester
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes 2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
I got the email and I am attending Leeds. Should be interesting
Can you copy and paste it for us?
Scroll up. There's a picture of it.
That's a picture of a piece of paper that anyone could have made, not an email. Not even any addresses or anything. It looks like it was typed up on Word. I think people are wanting to see an actual email... the whole problem is that normally if something like that were emailed by 10c people would he seeing way more comments about it and getting it forwarded to them by other members, people would be posting screen shots, etc. The fact that that isn't happening here is making us all suspect there was no email. Sorry, lol. Just seems odd.
The email is true. I have it for the final shows I'm attending. What does it matter if you haven't seen the email? If you aint on this tour you don't get the email. Those attending the Fall tour will get the email. Calling the email fake just because you didnt get one only adds to the problem. Stop being so cynical.
I'm not calling the email fake, and if i still were it wouldn't be because I didn't get one.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Fake or not ( setting aside the fact that faking something like that is unacceptable) the 10 c has already stated very very clearly that they do not approve of a list/numbering system!
If they follow up with enforcing measures, then so be it. The people doing it, already know that 10c does not approve!
would only take 30 seconds to do a screen shot and upload the picture of the email...
So there's no real confirmation that the letter is real?
Those who need the letter have the confirmation. I.e. those attending GA shows for the remainder of the tour.
Don't believe it, that's your problem.
2000: Manchester
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes 2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
would only take 30 seconds to do a screen shot and upload the picture of the email...
So there's no real confirmation that the letter is real?
Those who need the letter have the confirmation. I.e. those attending GA shows for the remainder of the tour.
Don't believe it, that's your problem.
I didn't say I didn't believe it...I was clearly asking a question. Up until this point, people were still questioning the validity of the "paper." I was just suggesting to end all the "debate and doubt" to just screen shot it...which Tiki, thankfully, took the 30 seconds to do...twice. So now the thread and list could be laid to rest.
I Know All The Rules But The Rules Do Not Know Me.
To be fair, there was a photo posted yesterday from people at the gig in Stockholm and another posted from Twitter in this thread earlier today. Plus numerous people confirming they had received the email last night.
2000: Manchester
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes 2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
Yep it's real alright. I just hope that 10c doesn't end up ending early entry because of all this...
I remember numbers in 2007 at Copenhagen and it seemed then that it had started for well intentioned reasons. I haven't had the experience of people coming in ahead of me cos I only waited in line back then and from about 14.30 at Berlin. Although I saw numbers I didn't see anything else - but I heard all about it in 2012. Such a shame.
Time to bin these crazy lists once and for all...
Please let's hold on to the early entry privelidge by all doing the right thing..
do we really need a letter or anything ro use common sense??cheating is bad is every way im having a blast this tour and i dont have time with stupid things like that..i walk in and watch the show.show my wtistband and get into the inner circle...nothing more....and got rail 4 shows..side but still rail..and without even me trying what people 'want ti happened to them" by waiting all day in line ..happened to me so easily..drunk twice eddie wine..2times had handshake with eddie...git tambourine..mike wave and said hi greece ..and last night eddie gave me handshake.saw my flag and start shiuting..its you..YOU!!and then he start pointing my shirt and laugh his ass off with the "×why now u dont bitching shirt i was wearing...i just fuckin walk im at venue 30 min befire show time....thinhs will happen when u dont force them...u dint have to sleep in thw fuckin street all night
I don't always understand/follow the Greeklish, but I enjoyed reading that and hearing about your experience.
Very cool.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Thanks for this. I'm glad it is real and that 10c has weighed in on the issue. Wasn't trying to accuse anyone of being dishonest, just wanted to see the email with my own two eyes.
Taking advantage of the weak, the meek, the polite, the respectful, those with a true sense of right and wrong is abhorrent, despicable, disgusting behavior in any situation. The bullying tactics used by those possessing the capability to intimidate and refusing someone their rightful place in line to see this band we all love is the worst example of selfish, self righteous, egotistical behavior.
Such a shame that the Ten Club actually had to step in to put a stop to what any rationally thinking person knows is simply wrong. Hopefully this will put and end to this absurdity once and for all.
The confusion came in, I believe, because this was handled in a fairly bizarre way by 10c.
How was it bizarre? An issue was brought to their attention, they combed through all the orders and contacted those with GA tickets to advise them of the current policy.
Seems reasonable to me.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
The confusion came in, I believe, because this was handled in a fairly bizarre way by 10c.
How was it bizarre? An issue was brought to their attention, they combed through all the orders and contacted those with GA tickets to advise them of the current policy.
Seems reasonable to me.
It's the fact that a piece of paper was somehow distributed on the sidewalk before any email was ever sent. And combine that with the fact that 10c actually earlier stated that they would not be getting good involved with this issue, and then got involved by handing out flyers, apparently. Strikes me as strange, and definitely the cause of my doubt in the authenticity of the message.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
We had a good thing, a great thing (PJ visiting Europe plus the opportunity of 10c tickets for early entry/pit access) and now because of the actions of a minority the whole thing could be fúcked. I never queued early, but if I did and some nobody came up to me demanding to see some unofficial number to validate my hard-earned place in a line to a rock concert, I would take the utmost pleasure in fúcking them off from 10 heights. 'Well done' to 10c for moving to kill this line/list BS, it's just a shame and embarrassing that it had to come to that. The people who created and oversaw this unofficial list system to the point of exploitation and alienation go against everything I see this band promoting, shame on you fúckers.
The confusion came in, I believe, because this was handled in a fairly bizarre way by 10c.
How was it bizarre? An issue was brought to their attention, they combed through all the orders and contacted those with GA tickets to advise them of the current policy.
Seems reasonable to me.
Given the way tickets are traded and extras sold, it stands to reason there is any number of GA ticket holders who 10c has no record of. By emailing only those who purchased tickets directly I'm sure there are some who have been missed. Maybe not many, but some nonetheless.
Regardless, this was a positive move by 10c. I applaud them for it.
The confusion came in, I believe, because this was handled in a fairly bizarre way by 10c.
How was it bizarre? An issue was brought to their attention, they combed through all the orders and contacted those with GA tickets to advise them of the current policy.
Seems reasonable to me.
Given the way tickets are traded and extras sold, it stands to reason there is any number of GA ticket holders who 10c has no record of. By emailing only those who purchased tickets directly I'm sure there are some who have been missed. Maybe not many, but some nonetheless.
Regardless, this was a positive move by 10c. I applaud them for it.
Yeah, there is that too. Just would have expected 10c to make an official statement a whole lot more official, lol. The way they did it, it almost seems like they're trying to keep it a secret, lol. Making a point of getting it to as few people as possible. :P
But yes, that they did anything at all is great! So curious to hear about what happens now... what are the listers going to do?? Try and invent some new scam?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Honest question for you, you use the list for the tour? I mean, you seem to be the one that's pretty much complaining about people complaining about the list. Serious question. Because pretty much EVERYONE has a problem with this list and these people abusing this list. But you seem to have a problem with everyone complaining about it. You dnt like people complaining about this list, stop coming to the thread. Simple problem solved. List is garbage and anyone who abused is just as shitty. To take advantage of people who are there to see pearl jam just because they dnt know about this so called list. Come on bro.
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http://t.co/dmCt4gafhZ
Hope that helps clear up the genuine or not questions about the letter handed out.
im having a blast this tour and i dont have time with stupid things like that..i walk in and watch the show.show my wtistband and get into the inner circle...nothing more....and got rail 4 shows..side but still rail..and without even me trying what people 'want ti happened to them" by waiting all day in line ..happened to me so easily..drunk twice eddie wine..2times had handshake with eddie...git tambourine..mike wave and said hi greece ..and last night eddie gave me handshake.saw my flag and start shiuting..its you..YOU!!and then he start pointing my shirt and laugh his ass off with the "×why now u dont bitching shirt i was wearing...i just fuckin walk im at venue 30 min befire show time....thinhs will happen when u dont force them...u dint have to sleep in thw fuckin street all night
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes
2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
Bootleg Reviews: http://pjbootlegreviews.blogspot.com/
If they follow up with enforcing measures, then so be it. The people doing it, already know that 10c does not approve!
So there's no real confirmation that the letter is real?
Don't believe it, that's your problem.
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes
2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
Bootleg Reviews: http://pjbootlegreviews.blogspot.com/
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes
2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
Bootleg Reviews: http://pjbootlegreviews.blogspot.com/
I just hope that 10c doesn't end up ending early entry because of all this...
I remember numbers in 2007 at Copenhagen and it seemed then that it had started for well intentioned reasons.
I haven't had the experience of people coming in ahead of me cos I only waited in line back then and from about 14.30 at Berlin. Although I saw numbers I didn't see anything else - but I heard all about it in 2012.
Such a shame.
Time to bin these crazy lists once and for all...
Please let's hold on to the early entry privelidge by all doing the right thing..
Very cool.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Such a shame that the Ten Club actually had to step in to put a stop to what any rationally thinking person knows is simply wrong. Hopefully this will put and end to this absurdity once and for all.
The confusion came in, I believe, because this was handled in a fairly bizarre way by 10c.
Otherwise go to the back of the line.
Or just fuck off and stop being selfish pricks.
I would expect better from PJ fans than this kind of behaviour.
I'm honestly disgusted by it.
http://www.last.fm/user/olivavu
Seems reasonable to me.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Regardless, this was a positive move by 10c. I applaud them for it.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
But yes, that they did anything at all is great! So curious to hear about what happens now... what are the listers going to do?? Try and invent some new scam?