The Cold War, Part 2 ... Putin Rising

Jason P said:

Interesting chess move by the Ukraine ... if they sit back Putin will systematically and politically pick off piece by piece of their nation and the rest of the world will sit back and watch. But if they fight back and start killing the "pro russian" militias, it may force Putin's hand to blatently attack ... which may be a situation where the world doesn't sit back and watch.

In either situation, Russia is going to take what they want. But fighting now may give them a fighter's chance.

When you speak of a chess move by the Ukraine...you speak of a chess move by an unelected sitting government who took control via bloody coup, with Western backing. When you speak of 'fighting back' against 'pro-russian' militias....you're talking about fighting back against anti-coup protestors (and yes, likely some Russian funded agents).
This post was pretty prophetic tho - the massacre in Odessa last week was exactly this - supporters of the coup burning protestors and unionists alive, and shooting them as they tried to escape the fire. Yet Putin is still not allowing this to force his hand, as you suggested it would. So again...who is the agreessor?

Drowned Out
Fair point.

Jason P said:

The aggressor is Russia. They invaded the Ukraine.

...with full support of the people of the region. No shots fired. Quite the invasion.

Jason P said:

To claim the West was behind this from the beginning is without merit.

To deny the West's involvement from the beginning is true ignorance. Are you not aware of the leaked phone call between Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine? She stated that the US had 'invested' 5 billion in what has led to the coup, and they would continue to support it.

Jason P said:

That is unless one of the Klitschko brothers turns out to be a highly trained CIA spook.

In 2012, Klitschko was assigned the task of forming a permanent far-right, pro-EU party in Ukraine, by a German political party. So not CIA; still working for the EU to subvert Russian influence. But in that phone call, Nuland insisted he not be given a seat in the new interim puppet regime. And he didn't get one. 'fuck the EU'

Jason P said:

Their exiled president was taking away their freedom of press and speech and he went too far.

Without going too far into Ukraine's recent history; the current protests went on for months before the government crackdown... The new legislation was aimed at quelling them, yes...but the Ukrainian govt stated that the protests involved armed raids to steal more weapons, aimed at govt overthrow, and made claims of foreign involvement...this is where I ask you where you think the 5 billion USD went? Who were the people conducting these acts of 'terrorism' (as defined by Ukraine)....?

Jason P said:

If Russian snipers hadn't brazenly opened fire like Ben "The Butcher" Richards in The Maiden, the agreement that Klitschko and other opposition leaders signed for new elections in the fall would most likely have been accepted by the public.

Where are you getting that the snipers were Russian? That is a claim that has been echoed thru Western media with zero investigation or evidence....in fact, there was a second leaked phone call, this time between the Estonian foreign minister, and Catherine Ashton (EU foreign affairs chief), in which the Estonian claimed he had evidence that after speaking to the doctors and witnesses that the snipers were positioned atop (and were seen leaving) a building controlled by Andrei Parubiy - who became the defense minister in the new government. The sniper shootings were used as the reason to topple Yanukovych. These people gained more than anyone from avoiding an election - they were handed power with full Western support.

Jason P said:

Yanukovych got the hell out of Dodge cause he knew he went too far, under his orders or Putin's orders is unknown. He was Putin's puppet and Putin don't play that, so he told his guys to take the flag patch off their arm and go take the eastern Ukraine, including airports and military bases. It's a full scale invasion, except Putin sits there with his shit eating grin and says it's not his guys.

Putin has been involved in two conflicts since he came to power in 2000, and it can be argued that he was provoked both times. Both conflicts (Chechnya and Georgia) can also somewhat be argued as internal conflicts. How many countries has NATO and the US 'intervened' in since 2000? Again, Putin's Black Sea fleet is in Crimea (btw - this fleet routinely supplies Syria).


The Western media have gone to extreme lengths to paint the neo-nazi members of the 'opposition coalition' as minor players....but they've been given a number of important cabinet positions - national security, agriculture, the judicial system, the police, and education. Read up on Svoboda, and UNA-UNSO. Nuland didn't want the leader of Svoboda, Oleh Tyahnybok to have a major position of power, so he didn't get one. But the co-founder is head of National Security.
Once again, Western powers are in bed with extremists. Even if some of the analysis I've been reading is hyperbole or flat out wrong - there is undeniable evidence that the West has backed these people. Knowing that, I don't know how you can't question the narrative you've been given, and are defending in your post. Putting these people in power in Russian borderland is beyond provocative.

brianlux said:

Jason P said:

I feel like Putin should have grabbed the mic after the closing ceremonies and yelled, "fooled you!" and then laughed maniacally like Mr. Burns as his 35,000 security force locked the city down.

) He may well be laughing behind our backs.

Oh, and Putin as Mr. Burns. Outrageous! )

oh no hes not laughing behind our backs.. i routinely see a smirk on his face... usually just before he kicks a puppy.

Day or two. Claims are this first strike wasnt ISIS targets but other opposition. Why else would Russia request all other coalition aircraft vacate Syrian airspace?
So they can hit true rebels first.

CH156378 said:

Keeping my fingers crossed that Barry doesn't draw any red lines.

Become a mercenary and go over and fight ISIS. You can foot the bill And sacrifice your life to fight the evil Muslims.

No shirtless Putin on a horse pics?