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Just listened to Marc Maron's sitdown with Maynard James Keenan on his podcast, "WTF". Great interview done last year... you can find it on YouTube. I'm a TOOL fan, so it was interesting to hear these guys talk for over an hour. When they started talking about the early 90's when TOOL was beginning, the talk inevitably went to "grunge". Maron said something along the lines of when he heard the first Pearl Jam album, he thought "Great, Bad Company is back together". Both men enjoyed a laugh over this.
I don't know why it offends me. They have a right. It just seems like it echoes Kurt Cobain's sentiments from back in the day. Yes, PJ has probably always had some classic rock elements, but I think these opinions are just way off. Maybe he only ever heard "Alive" and "Even Flow"? Tell me how "Once", "Why Go", "Porch" or "Deep" are anything like "stadium cock rock", or whatever Cobain dubbed them back in the day?
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  • elwayvedderelwayvedder South Jersey Posts: 9,148
    who is Marc Maron? Is he someone I should recognize?
    We are all guilty of judging others without knowing them. Maybe they don't know that we have a band here that has given almost 25 years of amazing lyrics, music, activism and inspiration to millions of others. Maybe they don't understand how PJ affects so many lives and brings us so much. Their loss.
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  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,094
    I love Maron's show - Maron. Very funny. I've never checked out WTF though.

    I wouldn't take much offense to the comment. PJ is not for everybody.
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  • willbarclaywillbarclay Ottawa, Canada Posts: 3,298
    Bad Company rocks ... I dont see where the issue is ?? :)
  • wnh1977wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 643
    elwayvedder said:

    who is Marc Maron? Is he someone I should recognize?

    He's a comedian, and now has a very popular podcast called "WTF". I can understand a comedian trying to be funny by taking jabs like this. It was a little disappointing to hear Maynard laugh along with this, as I'm a big fan of his and of TOOL. It's as if the stigma is out there, in some circles, that PJ is contrived, not as real as some other Seattle bands. Maybe the group high five on the album cover was cheesey, and maybe if you only ever heard the first two singles, you could make this rush to judgment. I don't know why it irked me... I know I shouldn't care what others say about. Just a little disappointing.

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  • pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,110
    PJ > Tool,

    IMO
  • wnh1977wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 643
    Before the PJ comments, Maynard was talking about how one of his motivations to get into music was to do it right, from the heart, after seeing all the fake 80's garbage. That's what disappointed me. I feel like PJ was being lumped in with stuff that wasn't sincere or lacked depth.

    Overall, it was a great interview IMO. Maynard is an intelligent, funny guy and this was as revealing as I've ever heard him. It just kind of sucked for a couple guys that you like (Maynard and Maron) to sort of dismiss your favorite band.


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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,904
    I would not read too much into it. Wasn't Ed drinking Maynards wine and watching Pucifier play when they are all at Lolllpalooza last year? They may actually be friends.
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  • EdsonNascimentoEdsonNascimento Posts: 5,525
    Who? Is this an attempt to try to pump up his pod cast?

    I don't really care if he insulted a band I like. But, you might have well said - my cousin was talking to someone from a crappy band and they said such and such about PJ - b/c this had the same effect.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    pjsteelerfan said:

    I would not read too much into it. Wasn't Ed drinking Maynards wine and watching Pucifier play when they are all at Lolllpalooza last year? They may actually be friends.

    Right on, man. Got big smiles from watching that clip.

    I find the comment funny, actually...but offensive? Not even close.

  • drlovemonkeydrlovemonkey Posts: 394
    pdalowsky said:

    PJ > Tool,

    IMO

    yep

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  • aurynsdadaurynsdad Posts: 863
    pdalowsky said:

    PJ > Tool,

    IMO

    Tool is pretty incredible, but like the Grateful Dead and Bob Marley, they are an artist whom I respect and enjoy, but rarely listen to. I listen to Pearl Jam more than any other artist, although Radiohead is in a strong second place.
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  • djklambakedjklambake PHX, AZ Posts: 2,522
    Meh... To each his own... Even Nickelback and Creed resonate with some people... :-/
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  • veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    I love Tool and APC. Maynard is a great singer/frontman/lyricist and if he isn't a PJ fan that's not going to change my opinion of him just the same as my opinion of my friends who on the whole dislike them. Ed's singing style is an acquired taste and to many they just made two or three good albums and are now a nostalgia act. Never heard of Marc Maron but I'm sure he's a decent enough guy. He just happens to not be a PJ fan. I've never understood either why it bothered anyone about comments made by Kurt Cobain? I loved a lot of the man's music but he was hardly some role model/idol to look up to and he played the media in his own punkier than thou way so half of what he said was probably tongue in cheek anyway. I'd be surprised if he even remembered the other half.
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  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,094
    For people who have not seen the Maron show, I would compare it to a mix between Louie and Curb.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    LukinFan said:

    For people who have not seen the Maron show, I would compare it to a mix between Louie and Curb.

    Maron's been around for quite awhile but I haven't seen/heard his stand-up in ages, let alone his podcast.

    But that description up there is enough for me to search it out!

  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,194
    To be fair, the first hits for PJ are currently being played on classic rock stations along w/ Bad Company.
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  • evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    TOOL is the biggest example of bandwagon jumping I've ever seen. People like them because it makes them look deep, intelligent and hardcore. I've never understood one lyric on a tool album. They are horribly mixed and drone on one chord.

    Regardless of how the interview portrayed this band or that band, that is the opinion I have on tool.

    Also, I don't know who marc maron is. The amount of D-list comedians who have podcasts is a joke in and of itself.
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  • bb4packersbb4packers Posts: 197
    Last week on the WTF podcast Maron did interviews with Jason Isbell and Patterson Hood - highly recommend both. Have not listened to WTF very much but I thought both of these were really well done. Love the new DBT record English Oceans.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    evenflow82 said:

    TOOL is the biggest example of bandwagon jumping I've ever seen. People like them because it makes them look deep, intelligent and hardcore. I've never understood one lyric on a tool album. They are horribly mixed and drone on one chord.

    Regardless of how the interview portrayed this band or that band, that is the opinion I have on tool.

    Also, I don't know who marc maron is. The amount of D-list comedians who have podcasts is a joke in and of itself.

    What bandwagon has Tool jumped on and how?

    It doesn't bother me when someone doesn't like a band that I do - to each their own - but to make sweeping statements that those who listen to them do so for purposes of appearance and self-elevation? Pretty silly and far-fetched.

  • KC2917KC2917 Posts: 872
    djklambake said:

    Meh... To each his own... Even Nickelback and Creed resonate with some people... :-/

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  • FrankY59FrankY59 Posts: 1,049
    evenflow82 said:

    TOOL is the biggest example of bandwagon jumping I've ever seen. People like them because it makes them look deep, intelligent and hardcore. I've never understood one lyric on a tool album. They are horribly mixed and drone on one chord.

    Regardless of how the interview portrayed this band or that band, that is the opinion I have on tool.

    Slow your roll. This band is as musically creative as any. The only characteristic Tool fans share is patience. Not necessarily the time between albums...but to be able to listen to 7-9 minute songs making up the majority of an album. You will not find some pop chorus keeping you hooked.

    If you are looking for lyrics you can look at the song 10,000 Days released almost 15 years after there first EP, this song still gives me goosebumps when I listen to it. Hard to find a band that can still do it after so many years. Pearl Jam too.

  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited April 2014
    FrankY59 said:

    evenflow82 said:

    TOOL is the biggest example of bandwagon jumping I've ever seen. People like them because it makes them look deep, intelligent and hardcore. I've never understood one lyric on a tool album. They are horribly mixed and drone on one chord.

    Regardless of how the interview portrayed this band or that band, that is the opinion I have on tool.

    Slow your roll. This band is as musically creative as any. The only characteristic Tool fans share is patience. Not necessarily the time between albums...but to be able to listen to 7-9 minute songs making up the majority of an album. You will not find some pop chorus keeping you hooked.

    If you are looking for lyrics you can look at the song 10,000 Days released almost 15 years after there first EP, this song still gives me goosebumps when I listen to it. Hard to find a band that can still do it after so many years. Pearl Jam too.

    Well said! 10,000 Days (both song & album) is one of my favorites. The song, its lyrics, brought comfort to my husband when his mother died - she and Judith Marie shared many qualities.

    Cheers.

  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    FrankY59 said:

    evenflow82 said:

    TOOL is the biggest example of bandwagon jumping I've ever seen. People like them because it makes them look deep, intelligent and hardcore. I've never understood one lyric on a tool album. They are horribly mixed and drone on one chord.

    Regardless of how the interview portrayed this band or that band, that is the opinion I have on tool.

    Slow your roll. This band is as musically creative as any. The only characteristic Tool fans share is patience. Not necessarily the time between albums...but to be able to listen to 7-9 minute songs making up the majority of an album. You will not find some pop chorus keeping you hooked.

    If you are looking for lyrics you can look at the song 10,000 Days released almost 15 years after there first EP, this song still gives me goosebumps when I listen to it. Hard to find a band that can still do it after so many years. Pearl Jam too.

    Yup. Not one "Yah. Yah. Yah." (like the The Fixer) in their catalogue.

    Now don't get me wrong. PJ is my favourite bands the majority of the year, but I offered what I have to counter the smug dismissal of one of my other favourite bands. And I don't like them to be deep or hard core... I like them becaus etheir music sounds really great when it's played loud.
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  • Amongst the AniAmongst the Ani @Wobbie Posts: 7,790
    edited April 2014
    Tool also puts on one of the greatest live shows. So amazing to see and hear.

    So Maynard might think PJ reminds him of Bad Company. Not that long ago people compared Creed to PJ. Bad Company is an improvement.
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  • evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    I just hear a drone and unintelligible lyrics that are buried in the mix. Musically they bore me. Just my opinion.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Can we keep in mind that Maynard just laughed at the comment? No disparaging. Jeebus. Much as I love Pearl Jam and the significant impacts they and their music have had on my life...they're a band, not my fucking children.

    And Mr. Maron is entitled (as are we all, as evidenced by this and many other threads) to make judgments upon an initial listen (which is what I assumed was meant by the paraphrased comment in the OP).

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,310
    edited April 2014
    I've never heard of Marc Maron. But I know I don't care if someone doesn't like Pearl Jam. Hell, I don't like plenty of bands that other love. Rolling Stones - blah. Arcade Fire - average at best. DMB - simply awful. Phish - annoying music (cool fans though). And I don't like rap in general. Or country music (excluding the Man in Black). I am pretty sure that the fans of these don't give a flying fuck if I hate them, and in fact figure that it's my loss. So.... your loss Marc Maron, whoever you are. :P (but Bad Company? Seriously? That comparison makes no sense at all).
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