JFK Assassination 50th Anniversary
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Absolute Proof President Kennedy Planned To Withdraw From Vietnam
[LETTERS ARE ONLY TWO MONTHS BEFORE HIS ASSASSINATION!]
SOURCE: Pentagon Papers as released by RAND Corporation leaker, Daniel Ellsberg, in 1971.
FIRST, THIS LETTER DOCUMENTS THE EXISTENCE OF THE SMOKING GUN (RE: VIETNAM POLICY) REPORT, AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE POLICY CONTAINED THEREIN (ITEMS IN SECTION I-B):
Page 178 (as marked, top left of scanned page in reports)NATIONAL SECURITY ACTION MEMORANDUM 263
TO
Secretary of State
Secretary of Defense
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
SUBJECT
South Vietnam
At a meeting on October 5, 1963,[2] the President considered the recommendations contained in the report of Secretary McNamara and General Taylor on their mission to South Vietnam [proves a match to below document, see color].
The President approved the military recommendations contained in Section I B (1-3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963 [proves a match to below document, see color].
After discussion of the remaining recommendations of the report, the President approved an instruction to Ambassador Lodge which is set forth in State Department telegram No. 534 to Saigon.[3]
***PLEASE LOAD THE ORIGINAL PDF LINK UP TOP ("Pentagon Papers") AND SCROLL TO THE PAGE LISTED IMMEDIATELY BELOW***
Page 154 (as marked, top left of scanned page in reports)THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
WASHINGTON
2 October 1963
MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT
Subject: Report of McNamara-Taylor Mission to South Vietnam
[...]YOU CAN READ THIS YOURSELF, I CAN'T COPY EVERYTHING, IT IS TEDIOUSLY SLOW, BUT THIS IS THE RELEVANT PIECE HERE[...]
[SECTION I-B HERE]
B. Recommendations.
We recommend that:
1. General Harkins review with Diem the military changes necessary to complete the military campaign in the Northern and Central areas (I, II, and III Corps) by the end of 1954, and in the Delta (IV Corps) by the end of 1965. This review would consider the need for such changes as:
a. A further shift of military emphasis and strength to the Delta (IV Corps).
b. An increase in the military tempo in all corps areas, so that all combat ,troops are in the Field an average of 20 days out of 30 and static missions are ended.
c. Emphasis on "clear and hold operations" instead of terrain sweeps which have little permanent value.
d. The expansion of personnel in combat units to full authorized strength.
e. The training and arming of hamlet militia at an accelerated rate, especially in the Delta.
f. A consolidation of the strategic hamlet program, especially in the Delta, and action to insure that future strategic hamlets are not built until they can be protected, and until civic action programs can be introduced.
2. A program be established to train Vietnamese so that essential functions now performed by U.S. military personnel can be carried out by Vietnamese by the end of 1965. It should be possible to withdraw the bulk of U.S. personnel by that time.
3. In accordance with the program to train progressively Vietnamese to take over military functions, the Defense Department should announce in the very near future presently prepared plans to withdraw 1000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963. This action should be explained in low key as an initial step in a long-term program to replace U.S. personnel with trained Vietnamese without impairment of the war effort.
4. The following actions be taken to impress upon Diem our disapproval
of his political program. [...BLAH BLAH BLAH MORE HERE...]
THE [CRIMINAL ELEMENT IN OUR] GOVERNMENT HAS ATTEMPTED TO DISASSOCIATE THE ABOVE DOCUMENT FROM THE ONE UP TOP, NSAM 263, WHICH STATES THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS APPROVED TRAINING TROOPS TO ALLOW WITHDRAWAL. ***THEY ARE CLEARLY DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED*** DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSION. The criminal element then went on, in a further effort to immediately rewrite history so that JFK could not be painted as anti-war, TO DRAFT NSAM 273, ***which directly contradicted and essentially extended full and uncompromising military support in Vietnam*** ON THE DAY BEFORE HIS ASSASSINATION. Obviously Kennedy probably never saw NSAM 273. He was never intended too. It was one last frame-up job meant to give the perpetrators of his killing "plausible deniability". "How could Kennedy have been killed over the war effort? He was pro-war. Just look at the last directive that crossed his desk before he died!" BULLSHIT. Read the links I provide you. IT IS SPELLED OUT.Post edited by DriftingByTheStorm onIf I was to smile and I held out my hand
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Absolute Proof President Kennedy Planned To Withdraw From Vietnam
SOURCE: Pentagon Papers as released by RAND Corporation leaker, Daniel Ellsberg, in 1971.
FIRST, THIS LETTER DOCUMENTS THE EXISTENCE OF THE SMOKING GUN (RE: VIETNAM POLICY) REPORT, AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE POLICY CONTAINED THEREIN (ITEMS IN SECTION I-B):
Page 178 (as marked, top left of scanned page in reports)NATIONAL SECURITY ACTION MEMORANDUM 263
TO
Secretary of State
Secretary of Defense
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
SUBJECT
South Vietnam
At a meeting on October 5, 1963,[2] the President considered the recommendations contained in the report of Secretary McNamara and General Taylor on their mission to South Vietnam [proves a match to below document, see color].
The President approved the military recommendations contained in Section I B (1-3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963 [proves a match to below document, see color].
After discussion of the remaining recommendations of the report, the President approved an instruction to Ambassador Lodge which is set forth in State Department telegram No. 534 to Saigon.[3]
***PLEASE LOAD THE ORIGINAL PDF LINK UP TOP ("Pentagon Papers") AND SCROLL TO THE PAGE LISTED IMMEDIATELY BELOW***
Page 154 (as marked, top left of scanned page in reports)THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
WASHINGTON
2 October 1963
MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT
Subject: Report of McNamara-Taylor Mission to South Vietnam
[...]YOU CAN READ THIS YOURSELF, I CAN'T COPY EVERYTHING, IT IS TEDIOUSLY SLOW, BUT THIS IS THE RELEVANT PIECE HERE[...]
[SECTION I-B HERE]
B. Recommendations.
We recommend that:
1. General Harkins review with Diem the military changes necessary to complete the military campaign in the Northern and Central areas (I, II, and III Corps) by the end of 1954, and in the Delta (IV Corps) by the end of 1965. This review would consider the need for such changes as:
a. A further shift of military emphasis and strength to the Delta (IV Corps).
b. An increase in the military tempo in all corps areas, so that all combat ,troops are in the Field an average of 20 days out of 30 and static missions are ended.
c. Emphasis on "clear and hold operations" instead of terrain sweeps which have little permanent value.
d. The expansion of personnel in combat units to full authorized strength.
e. The training and arming of hamlet militia at an accelerated rate, especially in the Delta.
f. A consolidation of the strategic hamlet program, especially in the Delta, and action to insure that future strategic hamlets are not built until they can be protected, and until civic action programs can be introduced.
2. A program be established to train Vietnamese so that essential functions now performed by U.S. military personnel can be carried out by Vietnamese by the end of 1965. It should be possible to withdraw the bulk of U.S. personnel by that time.
3. In accordance with the program to train progressively Vietnamese to take over military functions, the Defense Department should announce in the very near future presently prepared plans to withdraw 1000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963. This action should be explained in low key as an initial step in a long-term program to replace U.S. personnel with trained Vietnamese without impairment of the war effort.
4. The following actions be taken to impress upon Diem our disapproval
of his political program. [...BLAH BLAH BLAH MORE HERE...]
THE [CRIMINAL ELEMENT IN OUR] GOVERNMENT HAS ATTEMPTED TO DISASSOCIATE THESE TWO DOCUMENTS. ***THEY ARE CLEARLY DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED*** DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSION. The criminal element then went on, in a further effort to immediately rewrite history so that JFK could not be painted as anti-war, TO DRAFT NSAM 273, ***which directly contradicted and essentially extended full and uncompromising military support in Vietnam*** ON THE DAY BEFORE HIS ASSASSINATION. Obviously Kennedy probably never saw NSAM 273. He was never intended too. It was one last frame-up job meant to give the perpetrators of his killing "plausible deniability". "How could Kennedy have been killed over the war effort? He was pro-war. Just look at the last directive that crossed his desk before he died!" BULLSHIT. Read the links I provide you. IT IS SPELLED OUT.If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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THE JIM GARRISON TAPES
THIS 1992 DOCUMENTARY IS ***FANTASTIC***
There is actually some stuff in here omitted from Evidence of Revision that is almost more damning.
MUST WATCH!If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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50 years on and the CIA still haven't admitted to the killing. Tsk, tsk, tsk. In a hundred years when they finally admit to it killing Kennedy we can move on to 911.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
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It's been a long time since I looked into the details of this case. A looong time. But just having dipped my snout into it again briefly and watched that documentary 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy', I really can't believe that anyone still thinks Oswald did it.
I mean, he just didn't fucking do it. Period.
I may have to get my hands on a more recent book about the thing. Anyone got any suggestions? The one I read years ago was called - if my memory serves - 'The Mafia Killed JFK'.
One more thing: The House Assassinations Committee carried out an investigation into the assassination of JFK in 1976 and concluded that there were two assassins involved, and that four shots were fired at the President.
What do those who believe Oswald was a lone assassin make of that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... ssinations
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.0 -
Were the autopsy photo's manipulated? What happened to William Bruce Pitzer?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bruce_Pitzer
'At the time of the Kennedy assassination, Pitzer worked at the National Naval Medical Center (NNMC) where Kennedy's autopsy took place. Pitzer's alleged possession of autopsy-related film and photographs is briefly discussed in the television documentary The Men Who Killed Kennedy. A fellow naval officer of Pitzer's named Dennis David says that he viewed such materials in Pitzer's office at the NNMC, and that they appeared to contradict the official findings of the autopsy [David noted that those materials showed what appeared to be an entry wound in the right frontal area with a corresponding exit wound in the lower rear of the skull http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index ... wtopic=726]. At the time of his death, Pitzer held the rank of Lieutenant Commander. He was found in his office in the NNMC television studio with a single gunshot wound to the head. Pitzer's death occurred the same day that the Kennedy family agreed, through their attorney, to release to the National Archives several items related to the autopsy of the fallen president, including photographs and x-rays...
Dennis David's recollections of the autopsy and of Pitzer's materials were first made public in an anonymous 1975 interview with the Waukegan, Illinois News Sun.[6] Since that time, Pitzer's name has appeared in many printed or televised lists of "suspicious deaths" having an alleged connection to the Kennedy assassination. Lt. Col. Dan Marvin (US Army, retired) says that when he saw such a list in 1993, it brought back to his memory an incident in the summer of 1965 in which he was asked by the Central Intelligence Agency to kill Pitzer. A naval colleague, Dennis David, said in a TV interview that Pitzer was left-handed but the bullet entry wound was on the right side of his head. This may suggest he was murdered. Pitzer is also sometimes said to have been present at the Kennedy autopsy at the NNMC, though he was not among those noted in official records.'
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index ... wtopic=726
'On 22nd November, 1963, an autopsy was carried out by Dr Joseph Humes on the body of John F. Kennedy. A few days after the assassination, a colleague, Dennis D. David, found William Bruce Pitzer working on a 16-mm film, slides and black and white photos of the Kennedy autopsy. David noted that those materials showed what appeared to be an entry wound in the right frontal area with a corresponding exit wound in the lower rear of the skull.
Jerrol F. Custer, an X-ray technician at the hospital, later stated that Pitzer had photographed the proceedings, including the military men who attended the Kennedy autopsy. It was also rumoured that Pitzer had copies of Kennedy's autopsy photographs.
According to Dr. Joseph Humes, Pitzer was not present at the autopsy. However, he admitted that the Bethesda Naval Hospital was equipped with closed-circuit television. This was the responsibility of Pitzer and over the years had used these facilities to make instructional movies. It is therefore possible that Pitzer had secretly made a 16-mm movie film of the autopsy on President Kennedy’s body, without being present in the autopsy room when it was carried out.
After 28 years in the US Navy Pitzer decided to retire. He told friends he had been offered a good job working for a network television station. It is believed that he intended to make a programme about the Kennedy assassination.
On 29th October 1966, Lieutenant Commander William B. Pitzer was found dead at the Naval Medical School, Bethesda. Investigations by the Naval Investigative Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation later concluded that a gunshot wound to the head had been self-inflicted.
FBI files on the investigation, released in 1997 under the Freedom of Information Act, revealed that there was a strong possibility that Pitzer had been murdered. The paraffin tests of Pitzer’s right palm and back of hand were negative, indicating the absence of nitrate, therefore no exposure to gunpowder. FBI tests indicated "that the revolver must have been held at a distance of more than 3 ft when discharged".
Although there were links between Pitzer and the revolver found near the body, the FBI could find no record of Pitzer acquiring live ammunition. The autopsy showed both an entry and exit wound to the head. It also revealed a third wound that was not related to the gunshot to the head.
Pitzer had been busy writing notes to people in the time just before he was killed. However, he did not leave a suicide note. One of these notes was found on the floor near Pitzer's body. It bore a partial heel print that was not from the shoes Pitzer was wearing.
In May 1995, ex-Special Forces Colonel Daniel Marvin claimed to have been solicited by an agent of the Central Intelligence Agency to "terminate" William Pitzer. An interview with Mavin later appeared in the sixth episode of the television series The Men Who Killed Kennedy (November, 1995).0 -
What was Operation Freedom? A collaboration between the C.I.A and the mafia to attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro. Many people believe that this operation was compromised and was used instead to assassinate Kennedy.
Oswald was a part of the team working under the name Operation Freedom. He was picked to be the fall guy - the patsy - manipulated and used as a scapegoat for the Kennedy assassination, and murdered by Jack Ruby, a mafia man, who was himself manipulated and used in the assassination and subsequent cover-up.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:What was Operation Freedom?
I'll throw you one question better than that.
What the flying fuck was ITEM 1 here, in The CIA Family Jewels file.
Scroll down in the first link to the page denoted in stamped numbers at the bottom right, "00005"The CIA Family Jewels wrote:SECRET
EYES ONLY
"FAMILY JEWELS"
1. [REDACTED IN ITS ENTIRETY]
2. Johnny Roselli -- The use of a member of the
Mafia in an attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro.
3. Project MOCKINGBIRD -- During the period from 12
March 1963 to 15 June 1963, this Office
installed telephone taps on two l\Tashington- based newsmen who were suspected of disclosing
classified information obtained from a variety
of governmental and congressional sources.
4. Yuriy Ivanovich Nosenko -- A KGB defector who from
the peri"6<t 13 August 1965 to 27 October 1967
was confined in a specially constructed "jail"
atr IHe was literally confined in a
cell oenIllU oars with nothing but a cot in it
for this period.
5. Various Surveillance and Support Activities
These are briefly summarized and range from
the surveillance of newsmen to the provision
of specialized support of local police officials
in the Metropolitan area. I believe that each
one is 'self-explanatory and, therefore, no further
comment is needed here. .
6. Equipment Support to Local Police -- Attached is a
iist provided me by ~he Director of Logistics
(he will simply report these items in his
report) which we have provided local police in
the Metropolitan D. C. area over the past four
or five years on indefinite loan. During the
period when the Agency's installations in this
area appeared to be a target of dissident elements
Dollars To Motherfucking Donuts that Item 1 is "Lee Harvey Oswald".If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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Interesting watching episode 8 of the documentary 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' where they discuss in detail the scientific efforts to concoct a 'cancer drug' with which to kill Castro. Makes you wonder if that's what was used to kill Hugo Chavez?0
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Byrnzie wrote:Interesting watching episode 8 of the documentary 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' where they discuss in detail the scientific efforts to concoct a 'cancer drug' with which to kill Castro. Makes you wonder if that's what was used to kill Hugo Chavez?
I dunno.
But I remember reading about Chavez's death, and he had made several comments himself regarding the strange \ untimely death of other Latin American leaders, and he also insinuated that he was a target, too.
Episode 8 of TMWKK (forgive me, I've seen it several times, but not recently) ... I'm assuming the episode had a lot to do with Judyth Vary Baker?
It is hard to know what to make of that lady, but given that she seems to have finally produced her W-2 from Riley Coffee Company it seems almost impossible to deny that she, at the very least, would have *known* Oswald, if not been involved with him, as she claims.
Further, her story of a Special Cancer Virus matches with more recently uncovered documents (watch this "fringe" movie on HIV|Aids|Bioterrorism, In Lies We Trust regarding "The Special Virus Cancer Research Program"), it seems to add a slightly more logical subtext for David Ferrie having a bunch of "cancer mice" in his home. I doubt David was smart enough to be trying to "find a cure for cancer" on his own at his house with a bunch of mice, but I certainly imagine him being capable of injecting them with shit and seeing if they croak.
Also, her story sort of "fills in the blanks" and makes more sense of Oswald's Mexico excursion than most other explanations. If he went down to Mexico with some syringes, thinking he was supposed to go to Cuba and hand them off to a spy down there, so they could whack Castro... THAT makes all kinds of sense.
But i'm not hopeful we will ever know for SURE.
Records are supposed to ALL be declassified and open to public by 2017 (thanks to George HW Bush himself for signing that law. Weird reactionary formation (for more sick plausible deniability) of "the Assassination Records Review Board" in response to Stone's JFK in '92) ... but I somehow suspect whomever is president will sign to re-hide the truly incriminating bits.
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While I don't believe that Oswald was the lone shooter i have always wondered about something.
what do you think would be the reaction if it is found out that it was in fact the CIA and LBJ?0 -
fife wrote:While I don't believe that Oswald was the lone shooter i have always wondered about something.
The author of this book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/096209 ... PDKIKX0DER offers a wager that if you can persuade a jury of 12 that Oswald was guilty, then he'll give you $100,000.
'Read this book, and you will find out why the case against Oswald is a complete fantasy, and why in fact, after reading this book, no sane person could ever believe that Lee Harvey Oswald could have been found guilty in a court of law.'fife wrote:what do you think would be the reaction if it is found out that it was in fact the CIA and LBJ?
Good question.
I have no idea.0 -
Great article by Robert F Kennedy Jr. On his uncle's anti-war, pro-peace / pro-people policies.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/john-f-kennedys-vision-of-peace-20131120
It is a really good, very insightful article, with quotes and references to aspects of events and relationships of Kennedy's that to this day probably remain unknown to most.If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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Yes, in fact, anyone who is even half way curious about the JFK assassination and coverup should read James Douglass' JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.Byrnzie said:I may have to get my hands on a more recent book about the thing. Anyone got any suggestions?
Arguably the greatest JFK assassination book on record. This is NOT a book detailing who the gunmen were. This is a book detailing exactly the reasons JFK was killed, what authorities benefited from having him dead, and how the course of history would have dramatically changed had he stayed alive.
Compelling and extraordinary. Arguably one of the greatest books ever written on the subject. You will never have the same thoughts about this chunk of history again, and you'll never look at the inner-workings of the US government the same either.
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