JFK Assassination 50th Anniversary
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Byrnzie wrote:The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
Ok, what evidence do you have that Kennedy was shot by 2 different gunmen? Evidence , mind you; not opinions or theories.
The fact that dozens of people heard shots coming from behind the grassy knoll and ran in that direction.
The fact that it was impossible for a lone gunman to have shot Kennedy from the book depository in the time given, and with the weapon found there, and considering the wounds inflicted on those below, such as the exit wound at the back of Kennedys head.
Okay the fact that "people heard shots coming from behind the grassy knoll and ran in that direct" is not evidence. First off, the acoustics in Dealey Plaza are tricky. It's a big echo chamber. Gunshots cause reverberations off other buildings in the area. Depending on where you were standing, you may have thought you heard the shots being fired from any and all directions. Also, the first person to run up the grassy knoll was patrolman Clyde Haygood immediately after the assassination. And because he ran up there, everyone else followed him. What did they find behind the picket fence? Nothing. Officer Haygood heard 3 shots, btw. The first shot and then 2 more shots that were closer together(throat and head shot).
As stated by Roughmix there was plenty of time to get all 3 shots off. I don't need to repeat what we both have said about the timing. And the gun, albeit an odd choice, was more than capable of carrying out the assassination. Oswald was cheap, so that is likely the reason he didn't buy a more expensive and automatic weapon.
After the bullet exited Kennedy's throat, it began tumbling (also known as yawing) and actually entered Connally's back sideways. Because it was tumbling, the bullet lost much of it's velocity so it did not hit any of Connally's bones with maximum force. And by the time it got to Connally's thigh, it barely had enough force to embed itself below the flesh. This is why the bullet seemed so pristine, although it was anything but. It had significant damage to it - the nose was flattened; it was oval instead of round; it lost fragments of itself, etc.
".......such as the exit wound at the back of Kennedy's head." There was no exit wound in the back of Kennedy's head. Watch the Zapruder film. Look at a still photo after the head shot (any frame after 313) and you will clearly see the back of Kennedy's head intact. I don't even know how this is even still being debated - it's right there on the film. Oh wait, the film was tampered with, right??
Also as mentioned, a lot of this stuff is so dated and reasonable explanations and scientific studies have been made in recent years that debunk all of these theories regarding the "magic" bullet; the "back and to the left" movement; the back of Kennedy's head; 3 shots in 6 seconds, on and on and on....
Like I said before, I can't figure Oswald out. Whether he acted alone or was used by an outside agency such as CIA or the Kremlin/KGB. Same goes for Jack Ruby. Who was he working for? Or was he just under the influence of prescription drugs and looking to go down in history? I'm not sure we'll ever know the answers, or even if it did come out somehow- if anyone would ever believe "the truth."Another habit says it's in love with you
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RoughMix wrote:
The reason they couldn't replicate the feat was,as waiting trophy man stated, the time frame was different.
The marksmen were trying to aim-fire,aim-fire,aim-fire, in less than 6 seconds.They actually had about nine or ten seconds to fire three shots.
The first shot was taken just after the limo turned onto Elm St.How did such a close range shot miss?The bullet ricocheted off the streetlight and hit the curb down near the railway overpass.A piece of concrete struck bystander James Tague on the cheek.This was at a time when Zapruder had stopped filming.Everyone thought the first shot occured when Kennedy disappeared behind the Stemmons Freeway sign in the Zapruder film.That was the second shot.The third shot finished the job.
That was a good show/documentary about the bullet ricocheting off the traffic light. And it made sense to me. Had to have been the first shot that injured James Tague.
And Amos Euins has never changed his story. He was right there on the corner of Elm and Houston and he has said time and time again that the first shot occurred just as the limo straightened out after the sharp turn and headed down Elm. He also said he heard 3 shots and they all came from the book depository. He was actually looking up at the window when either the 3rd shot was fired, or as the barrel of the gun was being withdrawn through the window - I can't remember.Another habit says it's in love with you
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The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:Byrnzie wrote:The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
Ok, what evidence do you have that Kennedy was shot by 2 different gunmen? Evidence , mind you; not opinions or theories.
The fact that dozens of people heard shots coming from behind the grassy knoll and ran in that direction.
The fact that it was impossible for a lone gunman to have shot Kennedy from the book depository in the time given, and with the weapon found there, and considering the wounds inflicted on those below, such as the exit wound at the back of Kennedys head.
Okay the fact that "people heard shots coming from behind the grassy knoll and ran in that direct" is not evidence. First off, the acoustics in Dealey Plaza are tricky. It's a big echo chamber. Gunshots cause reverberations off other buildings in the area. Depending on where you were standing, you may have thought you heard the shots being fired from any and all directions. Also, the first person to run up the grassy knoll was patrolman Clyde Haygood immediately after the assassination. And because he ran up there, everyone else followed him. What did they find behind the picket fence? Nothing. Officer Haygood heard 3 shots, btw. The first shot and then 2 more shots that were closer together(throat and head shot).
As stated by Roughmix there was plenty of time to get all 3 shots off. I don't need to repeat what we both have said about the timing. And the gun, albeit an odd choice, was more than capable of carrying out the assassination. Oswald was cheap, so that is likely the reason he didn't buy a more expensive and automatic weapon.
After the bullet exited Kennedy's throat, it began tumbling (also known as yawing) and actually entered Connally's back sideways. Because it was tumbling, the bullet lost much of it's velocity so it did not hit any of Connally's bones with maximum force. And by the time it got to Connally's thigh, it barely had enough force to embed itself below the flesh. This is why the bullet seemed so pristine, although it was anything but. It had significant damage to it - the nose was flattened; it was oval instead of round; it lost fragments of itself, etc.
".......such as the exit wound at the back of Kennedy's head." There was no exit wound in the back of Kennedy's head. Watch the Zapruder film. Look at a still photo after the head shot (any frame after 313) and you will clearly see the back of Kennedy's head intact. I don't even know how this is even still being debated - it's right there on the film. Oh wait, the film was tampered with, right??
Also as mentioned, a lot of this stuff is so dated and reasonable explanations and scientific studies have been made in recent years that debunk all of these theories regarding the "magic" bullet; the "back and to the left" movement; the back of Kennedy's head; 3 shots in 6 seconds, on and on and on....
Like I said before, I can't figure Oswald out. Whether he acted alone or was used by an outside agency such as CIA or the Kremlin/KGB. Same goes for Jack Ruby. Who was he working for? Or was he just under the influence of prescription drugs and looking to go down in history? I'm not sure we'll ever know the answers, or even if it did come out somehow- if anyone would ever believe "the truth."
I watched a documentary recently that included testimony from a deaf fella who says he was standing on the overpass overlooking the road and the parking-lot behind the grassy knoll, and that he saw a man firing with a rifle, and then passing the rifle to another man before making his getaway. He described the events in minute detail.
Also, many other witnesses were coerced by the police into changing their stories. Why?
As for the back of Kennedy's head being intact, I've seen the autopsy photo's. The back of his head had clearly been blown away.
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=144233&p=5369873&hilit=jfk#p3317631
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/autopsy.htm
I don't have the answers either, but there's just so many inconsistencies and questions surrounding this event that there must have been more to it than the convenient, simple, lone-gunman scenario.0 -
Hey trophyman,
i have a million and one things i could throw out there right now, but i'm actually curious about one thing, since i just stumbled upon it, that you might find "curious".
I'm sure you are aware of Garrison and his prosecution of Clay Shaw.
It is popularly portayed that Garrison engaged in the prosecution of an innocent man, even though wikipedia itself has the following to say:In 1979, Richard Helms, former director of the CIA, testified under oath that Clay Shaw had been a part-time contact of the Domestic Contact Service of the CIA,
andIn 1979, the House Select Committee on Assassinations stated in its Final Report that the Committee was "inclined to believe that Oswald was in Clinton [Louisiana] in late August, early September 1963, and that he was in the company of David Ferrie, if not Clay Shaw,"[19] and that witnesses in Clinton, Louisiana "established an association of an undetermined nature between Ferrie, Shaw and Oswald less than three months before the assassination".[20]
Now. The man played by John Candy in Stone's JFK is New Orleans Attorney Dean Andrews Jr.. This man informs the FBI 3 days after the JFK assassination that on the day after the assassination a man named "Clay Bertrand" called him (in the hospital where he was being treated for pneumonia, no less) asking him to defend Oswald at trial. Three weeks later, he then does a 180 and tells the FBI that "Clay Bertrand" was a "figment of his imagination." He then alleges that he made up the name and fabricated the story to protect another one of his clients, Eugene Davis. Of course, Eugene Davis flatly denies this charge.
NOW READ THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE: Official Questioning of Dean Andrews Jr.
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
***A FIGMENT OF HIS IMAGINATION?***
The guy goes on not one but several rants about wanting to beat the shit out of this "fictional" character (which he calls a "rat", among other unflattering terms). He clearly identifies him as a bisexual with an affinity for young men. He says he has sandy hair, a description very much matching Clay Shaw, and he says he not only recognized the voice on the phone, but had seen him not once, but twice. The second time being after he had been harassed at length by the FBI ("feebees") of which encounter he pretty much outright says that he lied to the FBI to get them off his back, seemingly insinuating that he was personally uncomfortable with the heat surrounding the whole affair (ie he doesn't want to end up dead) and he seems to indicate that he outright lied to them about this "figment" to get them to go away.Mr. LIEBELER. . . . Let me ask you this: When I was down here in April, before I talked to you about this thing, and I was going to take your deposition at that time, but we didn't make arrangements, in your continuing discussions with the FBI, you finally came to the conclusion that Clay Bertrand was a figment of your imagination?
Mr. ANDREWS. . . . That's what the Feebees put on. I know that the two Feebees are going to put these people on the street looking, and I can't find the guy, and I am not going to tie up all the agents on something that isn't that solid. I told them, "Write what you want, that I am nuts. I don't care." They were running on the time factor, and the hills were shook up plenty to get it, get it, get it. I couldn't give it to them. I have been playing cops and robbers with them. You can tell when the steam is on. They are on you like the plague. They never leave. They are like cancer. Eternal. . . . It was my decision if they were to stay there. If I decide yes, they stay. If I decide no, they go. So I told them, "Close your file and go some place else." That's the real reason why it was done. I don't know what they wrote in the report, but that's the real reason.
He further indicates that Oswald had been in his office, not once, but 3-5 times, the first time with a bunch of GAY "mexicano" kids (could they possibly have been CUBANOS?) ...
He even further, outright acknowledges that his office had been "rifled" and that "they" seemed to have taken documents and had messed up his office.
The guy then gets called to the the Shaw trial by Garrison and flatly denies in front of the grand jury that Shaw was in fact Clay Bertrand (pretty smart move, cuz he doesn't end up immediately dead like Ferrie and Bannister) and then actually gets prosecuted by Garrison for PERJURY, AND GETS CONVICTED OF IT AS WELL!
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Between this shit, and EVERYTHING surrounding George DeMorenshildt, particularly his letter to personal friend, CIA Director George H. W. Bush, claiming fear for his life at the time of the HSCA trials, followed by a personal RESPONSE from GHW Bush, followed then by George re-entering the country, being served with notice of a request of his appearance at the HSCA, followed by HIS DEATH BY GUNSHOT IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER (seriously, that day) ...
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Byrnzie wrote:I watched a documentary recently that included testimony from a deaf fella who says he was standing on the overpass overlooking the road and the parking-lot behind the grassy knoll, and that he saw a man firing with a rifle, and then passing the rifle to another man before making his getaway. He described the events in minute detail.
Also, many other witnesses were coerced by the police into changing their stories. Why?
As for the back of Kennedy's head being intact, I've seen the autopsy photo's. The back of his head had clearly been blown away.
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=144233&p=5369873&hilit=jfk#p3317631
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/autopsy.htm
I don't have the answers either, but there's just so many inconsistencies and questions surrounding this event that there must have been more to it than the convenient, simple, lone-gunman scenario.
The "deaf fella" is Ed Hoffamn of 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' fame,' which is the documentary-equivalent of the Oliver Stone movie. I watched that when I was 15 - fascinating tale and ultimately hilarious and absurd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpsDrzzGjfc
Yeah, this guy's not coo coo, at all. :roll:
"Also, many other witnesses were coerced by the police into changing their stories. Why?" Who? Beverly Oliver? Gordon Arnold. Texas is full of nuts and there's 2 of them right there for ya. That is all.
"As for the back of Kennedy's head being intact, I've seen the autopsy photo's." Have you seen the Zapruder film, too? How come I mention the Zapruder film and you have no comment? Instead you go to the autopsy photos, which do not show the back of Kennedy's head blown out. And by the way, the diagram's don't count either. Anyone can draw a picture. Why don't you just look at the video for proof? I guess that would be too easy and take away all the fun of this murder mystery??
It looks to me like the back of his head is intact:
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Sorry Drifting, but I'm no longer interested in anything to do with Jim Garrison, Clay Shaw, David Ferrie, Dean Andrews, or Oilver Stone's fictional movie, JFK. It's just that- a movie.
I'll add just one comment regarding the HSCA - the only "evidence" they provided of a conspiracy was the police motorcycle dictabelt recording that they said "proved" there was a 4th shot. It has since been discredited. Turns out it was a recording that was made prior to the assassination., before the officer was anywhere near Dealey Plaza.
I admit Oswald and Ruby are still suspicious characters and we don't know the whole story, but it's not nearly as fantastic as you guys make it out to be.Another habit says it's in love with you
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The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:The "deaf fella" is Ed Hoffamn of 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' fame,' which is the documentary-equivalent of the Oliver Stone movie. I watched that when I was 15 - fascinating tale and ultimately hilarious and absurd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpsDrzzGjfc
Yeah, this guy's not coo coo, at all. :roll:
Hilarious and absurd? How so?
And you say the guy's coo coo? Why? Because he happens to be deaf?The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
Doesn't look that way to me.
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/BE2_HI.jpg
If he'd received a shot to the back of the head, from the direction of the school book depository, then there would have been a huge exit wound at the front of his head, or in his face. But there wasn't.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:
Hilarious and absurd? How so?
And you say the guy's coo coo? Why? Because he happens to be deaf?The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
Doesn't look that way to me.
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/BE2_HI.jpg
If he'd received a shot to the back of the head, from the direction of the school book depository, then there would have been a huge exit wound at the front of his head, or in his face. But there wasn't.
"Hilarious and absurd? How so?" Everything about it is hilarious and absurd. You honestly believe his story? Come on now.
"And you say the guy's coo coo? Why? Because he happens to be deaf?" Why would I think he's coo coo because he happens to be deaf? Are you serious asking me this? Now YOU'RE being absurd. But not very funny.
"Doesn't look that way to me." Look again.
"If he'd received a shot to the back of the head, from the direction of the school book depository, then there would have been a huge exit wound at the front of his head, or in his face. But there wasn't." What makes you say that? Are you an expert on gunshot wounds or something? Same with the "back and to the left" movement. Just because it happened that way doesn't mean it had to come from the front-right. But let's say you're right about that, then wouldn't the back-left side of his head been blown out? But that's not what you're saying - you're saying the back-right side of his head was blown out. Same with the autopsy drawings - it shows the back-right part missing. How is that possible if he was shot from the front-right? Magic bullet?Another habit says it's in love with you
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The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:Byrnzie wrote:
Hilarious and absurd? How so?
And you say the guy's coo coo? Why? Because he happens to be deaf?The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
Doesn't look that way to me.
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/BE2_HI.jpg
If he'd received a shot to the back of the head, from the direction of the school book depository, then there would have been a huge exit wound at the front of his head, or in his face. But there wasn't.
"Hilarious and absurd? How so?" Everything about it is hilarious and absurd. You honestly believe his story? Come on now.
"And you say the guy's coo coo? Why? Because he happens to be deaf?" Why would I think he's coo coo because he happens to be deaf? Are you serious asking me this? Now YOU'RE being absurd. But not very funny.
"Doesn't look that way to me." Look again.
"If he'd received a shot to the back of the head, from the direction of the school book depository, then there would have been a huge exit wound at the front of his head, or in his face. But there wasn't." What makes you say that? Are you an expert on gunshot wounds or something? Same with the "back and to the left" movement. Just because it happened that way doesn't mean it had to come from the front-right. But let's say you're right about that, then wouldn't the back-left side of his head been blown out? But that's not what you're saying - you're saying the back-right side of his head was blown out. Same with the autopsy drawings - it shows the back-right part missing. How is that possible if he was shot from the front-right? Magic bullet?
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Why did about 30 people run up to the area behind the grassy knoll immediately after the shooting? Are you suggesting that they were all confused? Dozens of people heard shots coming from that direction, above the noise of the motorcade and the crowds lined along both sides of the road leading up to the corner of Elm Street. Many people also say they saw flashes coming from that direction at the time of the shooting. Were they all audibly and visually impaired?0
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Byrnzie wrote:Why did about 30 people run up to the area behind the grassy knoll immediately after the shooting? Are you suggesting that they were all confused? Dozens of people heard shots coming from that direction, above the noise of the motorcade and the crowds lined along both sides of the road leading up to the corner of Elm Street. Many people also say they saw flashes coming from that direction at the time of the shooting. Were they all audibly and visually impaired?
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The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:Byrnzie wrote:Why did about 30 people run up to the area behind the grassy knoll immediately after the shooting? Are you suggesting that they were all confused? Dozens of people heard shots coming from that direction, above the noise of the motorcade and the crowds lined along both sides of the road leading up to the corner of Elm Street. Many people also say they saw flashes coming from that direction at the time of the shooting. Were they all audibly and visually impaired?
I already answered these questions. Don't you read what I write?
Sure, you said the acoustics in Dealy Plaza are strange, and that people ran in that direction because they saw a policemen running in that direction.
Not very convincing, that.
You seem to believe the area was populated mostly by idiots that day.0 -

DEAR TROPHYBOY - And I will throw out that you are really missing the point if you toss out Stone's WELL researched film (with VERY few errors, possibly the only big one being "the early foreign news paper headline" thing) ...
The Oswald-Ferrie-Bannister-Shaw-(Ruby?) connection is WELL documented by ALMOST A DOZEN people ... (you can read a good bit of that here) ... its ALL over the place ... for fucks sake, go to wikipedia, and you can even see the goddamn NOLA Civil Air Patrol photo containing both Ferrie and Oswald from '59. There are, as I just said, countless people who put a combination of those 4 (5 if you count Ruby, which i truthfully don't) guys together in the months before the assassination, and even enough that put them together ENROUTE TO DALLAS the night of the 21st to make the HSCA believe it. [although I readily concede the dictabelt failure]
If you don't read what others post, you really shouldn't criticize others for not responding in kind.
So, again, I ask you KINDLY,
PLEASE, READ THIS QUESTIONING OF ATORNEY DEAN ANDREWS.
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Also, I prefer to argue over things that don't involve the Zapruder Film or the Autopsy Photos because there are substantial problems with both. The autopsy photos don't even seem to be self-consistent. Some showing an intact rear hair line and essentially NO damage. Others showing a GIANT bubbly bloody mess all over the center-rear-right portion of his head. And the Zapruder film, slowed down, does clearly show a head moving\tilting slightly forward, THEN backward almost immediately. Either two shots from opposite directions nearly simultaneously, or substantial altering of the film, or you have to argue some bizzare pumpkin\back-brace trick (either of which i just reject).
This Page has some great animated .gif of the Zapruder, discussion, and draw your own conclusion. Cuz really, what else can be done?
The chain of custody of the Zapruder film is POSSIBLY THE WORST YOU COULD HAVE for something so important.
DO YOU KNOW WHO OWNED TIME-LIFE? DO YOU KNOW WHO HENRY LUCEIS? Skull & Bones (same as BOTH "Pappy" Prescott Bush AND G HW Bush, also deeply implicated in Kennedy assassination if you get right down to it), Project Mockingbird supporter, CIA sponsor (his company had more than a few plants, and he had a personal liason to them) Alpha 66 FUNDER (and Bush was an A66 RECRUITER), Republican \ Right-Winger, and from what I have read, Claire Boothe Luce was actually a familiar acquaintance of ole Pappy Prescott himself. (source second paragraph under "quotes") ... POINT BEING: IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR CREDIBLE EVIDENCE IN THE ASSASSINATION, POSSIBLY ZAPRUDER FILM WOULD BE THE WORST PLACE TO FIND IT.
( though i admit we ALL turn to it, seemingly )
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also,
what strange psychedelic drugs must his mother have been taking?
ANYONE got any idea why she would say something like that?
That's not just saying, "My son is innocent.", or "My son was a good person." ... the implication of her statement is in RADICAL contrast to the official story. "Has done more for his country" ... "Even AFTER HIS DEATH" ? "than ANY living human being" ...
HUH?
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What happened to the film shot towards the grassy knoll by Beverley Oliver? Her film was confiscated by the F.B.I, who promised to return it to her within ten days, and has not been seen since.
Also, what's the deal with the investigation carried out by Steve Ravel, as covered in the documentary 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy'? He made a pretty convincing case involving a plot concocted in Marseille involving three assassins, who traveled to Mexico, and entered the U.S on Italian passports with the help of the Chicago Mafia, e.t.c.
Was that story disproven? Or is it still out there?
Also, there was a recorded phone conversation recorded in Miami 13 days before Kennedy's assassination, in which some known criminals discussed the Presidents arrival in Miami 4 days before his assassination. In the conversation they talk about how his assassination is 'in the making', and how he will be killed with a high-powered rifle from an office building. The Miami police, aware of the conversation, then tightened security for Kennedy's visit to Miami.
The Warren Commission chose to ignore this evidence.
One of the men recorded in the conversation died in a mysterious house fire a few years later.
And why was it that Oswald was noted as having entered the movie theater between 1pm-1:07pm, yet officer Tippit was supposedly shot at that same time by Oswald over a mile away?
And one more thing; a woman named Carolyn Arnold spoke to Oswald on the 2nd floor of the school book depository seconds before the shooting. When you take into account the fact that the motorcade was running six minutes late, how could Oswald have been the shooter? Surely he would have been in position before the motorcade was expected to pass by outside, right?0 -
Interesting stuff...
http://22november1963.org.uk/jim-garris ... j-d-tippit
Jim Garrison: Interview with Playboy
8: The Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit, and the “Second” Oswald
Playboy: Let’s move on to the events that followed the assassination. What reason do you have for believing that Oswald didn’t shoot Officer Tippit?
Garrison: As I said earlier, the evidence we’ve uncovered leads us to suspect that two men, neither of whom was Oswald, were the real murderers of Tippit; we believe we have one of them identified. The critics of the Warren Report have pointed out that a number of the witnesses could not identify Oswald as the slayer, that several said the murderer was short and squat — Oswald was thin and medium height — and another said that two men were involved.
The Warren Commission’s own chronology of Oswald’s movements also fails to allow him sufficient time to reach the scene of Tippit’s murder from the Book Depository Building. The clincher, as far as I’m concerned, is that four cartridges were found at the scene of the slaying. Now, revolvers do not eject cartridges, so when someone is shot, you don’t later find gratuitous cartridges strewn over the sidewalk — unless the murderer deliberately takes the trouble to eject them.
We suspect that cartridges had been previously obtained from Oswald’s .38 revolver and left at the murder site by the real killers as part of the setup to incriminate Oswald. However, somebody slipped up there. Of the four cartridges found at the scene, two were Winchesters and two were Remingtons — but of the four bullets found in Officer Tippit’s body, three were Winchesters and one was a Remington! The last time I looked, the Remington–Peters Manufacturing Company was not in the habit of slipping Winchester bullets into its cartridges, nor was the Winchester–Western Manufacturing Company putting Remington bullets into its cartridges.
I don’t believe that Oswald shot anybody on November 22nd — not the President and not Tippit. If our investigation in this area proves fruitful, I hope we will be able to produce in a court of law the two men who did kill Tippit.
The Tippit Bullets and Oswald’s Revolver
Playboy: How do you explain the fact that the Warren Commission concluded that the bullets in Officer Tippit’s body had all been fired from “the revolver in the possession of Oswald at the time of his arrest, to the exclusion of all other weapons”?
Garrison: The Warren Commission’s conclusion was made in spite of the evidence and not because of it. To determine if Oswald’s gun had fired the bullets, it was necessary to call in a ballistics expert who would be able to tell if the lines and grooves on the bullets had a relation to the barrel of the revolver. The Commission called as its witness FBI ballistics expert Cortlandt Cunningham, and he testified, after an examination of the bullets taken from Tippit’s body, that it was impossible to determine whether or not these bullets had been fired from Oswald’s gun.
Yet, on the basis of this expert testimony, the Warren Commission concluded with a straight face that the bullets were fired not only from Oswald’s gun but “to the exclusion of all other weapons.” They simply chose to ignore the fact that revolvers don’t eject cartridges and that the cartridges left so conveniently on the street didn’t match the bullets in Tippit’s body.
The Impersonation of Lee Harvey Oswald
Playboy: You mentioned earlier that a so–called “second Oswald” had impersonated the real Lee Harvey Oswald before the assassination in an attempt to incriminate him. What proof do you have of this?
Garrison: I hesitate to use the words “second Oswald,” because they tend to lend an additional fictional quality to a case that already makes Dr. No and Goldfinger look like auditors’ reports. However, it is true that before the assassination, a calculated effort was made to implicate Oswald in the events to come.
A young man approximating Oswald’s description and using Oswald’s name — we believe we have discovered his identity — engaged in a variety of activities designed to create such a strong impression of Oswald’s instability and culpability in people’s minds that they would recall him as a suspicious character after the President was murdered.
In one instance, a man went to an auto salesroom, gave his name as Lee Oswald, test–drove a car at 80 miles an hour — Oswald couldn’t drive — and, after creating an ineradicable impression on the salesman by his speeding, gratuitously remarked that he might go back to the Soviet Union and was expecting to come into a large sum of money. Parenthetically, the salesman who described this “second Oswald” was subsequently beaten almost to death by unknown assailants outside his showroom. He later fled Dallas and last year was found dead; it was officially declared a suicide.
In another instance, this “second Oswald” visited a shooting range in Dallas and gave a virtuoso demonstration of marksmanship, hitting not only his own bull’s–eye but the bull’s–eyes of neighboring targets as well — thus leaving an unforgettable impression of his skill with a rifle. The real Oswald, of course, was a mediocre shot, and there is no evidence that he had fired a rifle since the day he left the Marines. Consequently, the fact that he couldn’t hit the side of a barn had to be offset, which accounts for the tableau at the rifle range.
I could go on and on recounting similar instances, but there is no doubt that there was indeed a “second Oswald.” Now, the Warren Commission recognized that the individual involved in all these activities could not be Lee Oswald; but they never took the next step and inquired why these incidents of impersonation occurred so systematically prior to the assassination.
As it turned out, of course, the organizers of the conspiracy needn’t have bothered to go to all this trouble of laying a false trail incriminating Oswald. They should have realized, since Oswald was a “self–proclaimed Marxist,” that it wasn’t necessary to produce any additional evidence to convict him in the eyes of the mass media; any other facts would simply be redundant in the face of such a convincing confession of guilt.0
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