(UPDATED) Trying to stay out of the Obamacare debate...

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  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    20+ speeches of "you can keep your plan."

    Now he and his team say- we did not say this.

    Is he a liar. Yep. And the young people that are needed to pay into the fraud plan are not piling in.

    Great news though.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • jethrojam420
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    inmytree wrote:
    A) I have not read this entire thread...

    B) My monthly premium has been reduced $24 dollars a month for the same plan....

    C) Thanks O-bamz...!!
    A) Maybe you should read the thread, as others are getting royally fucked.

    B) Good on that monthly savings. Again though, others are getting fucked.

    C) Maybe your shout-out to "O-bamz" was sarcastic (I'll assume not). So if he's to be thanked for this, should he not also be held accountable for the misinformation - to put it oh-so-gently - given so far?

    (ps...Sibelius can kiss my sweet-apple-ass)
  • Better Dan
    Better Dan Posts: 5,684
    ajedigecko wrote:
    20+ speeches of "you can keep your plan."

    Now he and his team say- we did not say this.

    Is he a liar. Yep. And the young people that are needed to pay into the fraud plan are not piling in.

    Great news though.

    How can he say that with a straight face. Just admit you misspoke or left out information. It's pretty obvious he left out the information for political reasons. If people knew they would lose coverage/doctors, it would lower support for the ACA and could have also hurt his reelection chances (although I think he would have won anyway).
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  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    Better Dan wrote:
    ajedigecko wrote:
    20+ speeches of "you can keep your plan."

    Now he and his team say- we did not say this.

    Is he a liar. Yep. And the young people that are needed to pay into the fraud plan are not piling in.

    Great news though.

    How can he say that with a straight face. Just admit you misspoke or left out information. It's pretty obvious he left out the information for political reasons. If people knew they would lose coverage/doctors, it would lower support for the ACA and could have also hurt his reelection chances (although I think he would have won anyway).



    he does not say it with a straight face...he has that look of "I care and i am deeply concerned"

    based on the amount of "I did not know" that he has accumulated from his own team. this has been a tactic liars surround themselves with. blame someone else.

    I also think this style of politics will be the norm from now on....make promises that are too good to be true.

    information is gathered from many sources and liars are caught quickly.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    hedonist wrote:
    The site's secureness is still messed up. Just read about the personal and policy information/confirmation of a man in South Carolina, I believe, was mis-sent to someone else.

    Tip of the iceberg? One of many?

    Has anyone here actually and successfully signed up for a plan under the ACA? And if so, how are the terms, premiums, etc.?

    It gets better :lol:

    Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius said today that Obamacare navigators don't need to undergo criminal background checks:

    "So I want to ask you about the navigators," said Senator John Cornyn at a hearing today on Capitol Hill. "The president is in Dallas, Texas today, touting the navigator program, which, as you know, are people who are hired to help people navigate the Affordable Care Act. But I would just like to ask you this question, if you would answer it: Isn't it true that there is no federal requirement for navigators to undergo a criminal background check, even though they will receive personal -- sensitive personal -- information from the individuals they help to sign-up for the Affordable Care Act?"

    "That is true," said Sebelius. "States could add an additional background checks and other features, but it is not part of the federal requirement"

    "So a convicted felon could be a navigator and could acquire sensitive personal information from an individual unbeknownst to them?"

    "That is possible," said Sebelius.

    http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sebel ... 66342.html
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    The site's secureness is still messed up. Just read about the personal and policy information/confirmation of a man in South Carolina, I believe, was mis-sent to someone else.

    Tip of the iceberg? One of many?

    Has anyone here actually and successfully signed up for a plan under the ACA? And if so, how are the terms, premiums, etc.?

    It gets better :lol:

    Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius said today that Obamacare navigators don't need to undergo criminal background checks:

    "So I want to ask you about the navigators," said Senator John Cornyn at a hearing today on Capitol Hill. "The president is in Dallas, Texas today, touting the navigator program, which, as you know, are people who are hired to help people navigate the Affordable Care Act. But I would just like to ask you this question, if you would answer it: Isn't it true that there is no federal requirement for navigators to undergo a criminal background check, even though they will receive personal -- sensitive personal -- information from the individuals they help to sign-up for the Affordable Care Act?"

    "That is true," said Sebelius. "States could add an additional background checks and other features, but it is not part of the federal requirement"

    "So a convicted felon could be a navigator and could acquire sensitive personal information from an individual unbeknownst to them?"

    "That is possible," said Sebelius.

    http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sebel ... 66342.html


    simply amazing...speechless.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    I for one am very upset that people can no longer get terrible insurance plans and that preexisting conditions are now covered...

    damn that O-bamza....
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    inmytree wrote:
    I for one am very upset that people can no longer get terrible insurance plans and that preexisting conditions are now covered...

    damn that O-bamza....
    Did you get a better plan or just savings?
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Jason P wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    I for one am very upset that people can no longer get terrible insurance plans and that preexisting conditions are now covered...

    damn that O-bamza....
    Did you get a better plan or just savings?

    "Just" savings...same plan, same doctor...

    me likey...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    inmytree wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    I for one am very upset that people can no longer get terrible insurance plans and that preexisting conditions are now covered...

    damn that O-bamza....
    Did you get a better plan or just savings?

    "Just" savings...same plan, same doctor...

    me likey...
    it appears you are one of the winners.

    Edit: How are the rates locked in? Is it for 12 months?
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Jason P wrote:
    it appears you are one of the winners.

    Edit: How are the rates locked in? Is it for 12 months?

    yup, 12 months...

    My old lady's premiums were reduced by a bit, too...not sure how much...the credits under the ACA are helping us..
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    ajedigecko wrote:
    simply amazing...speechless.
    The more I hear, the more I...
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  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    hedonist wrote:
    ajedigecko wrote:
    simply amazing...speechless.
    The more I hear, the more I...
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    Me too.

    Would like to hand out a free throat hugs.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    inmytree wrote:
    I for one am very upset that people can no longer get terrible insurance plans and that preexisting conditions are now covered...

    damn that O-bamza....

    So you think lower premium, high deductible plans that actually save most people money are "terrible". Because they really are the ones that make the most sense for people who are responsible enough to save up the money to cover the deductible and their day-to-day maintenance medical costs.

    For those that can't manage money past the next 5 minutes, then the high premium low deductible plans do make sense, but to classify the former plans as "terrible" is kind of scary. And it's VERY scary that our government is encouraging them to go away. Makes you wonder where the money trail ends. Actually, we don't really have to wonder.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    Carrie Underwood apparantly did a bit that mocked the ACA website at an awards ceremony ... I think her gig singing NBC Sunday night football will soon come to an end ... Costas is probably going nuts right now.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    know1 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    I for one am very upset that people can no longer get terrible insurance plans and that preexisting conditions are now covered...

    damn that O-bamza....

    So you think lower premium, high deductible plans that actually save most people money are "terrible". Because they really are the ones that make the most sense for people who are responsible enough to save up the money to cover the deductible and their day-to-day maintenance medical costs.

    For those that can't manage money past the next 5 minutes, then the high premium low deductible plans do make sense, but to classify the former plans as "terrible" is kind of scary. And it's VERY scary that our government is encouraging them to go away. Makes you wonder where the money trail ends. Actually, we don't really have to wonder.

    yes, I think high deductible plans are "terrible"...sorry you're so scared....

    someday, when the shit hits the fan...and you're not responsible for 1000's and 1000's of dollars in medical bills you can thank me and Obamz then...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    Here is an idea that will lower healthcare cost. Put a 15% profit limit on tort lawyers. I think the bill to congress should be under ten pages.

    That way, Doug will get more then a few hundred dollars and the real issues will get addressed in the court of law.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    inmytree wrote:
    someday, when the shit hits the fan...and you're not responsible for 1000's and 1000's of dollars in medical bills you can thank me and Obamz then...
    Isn't the entry plan a 60/40 plan? I think those people will still be responsible for 1000's and 1000's of dollars in medical bills is something major happens.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Jason P wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    someday, when the shit hits the fan...and you're not responsible for 1000's and 1000's of dollars in medical bills you can thank me and Obamz then...
    Isn't the entry plan a 60/40 plan? I think those people will still be responsible for 1000's and 1000's of dollars in medical bills is something major happens.

    I don't know...and perhaps...

    are you supportive if a 60/40 plan...?

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