Is the Athens boot really that bad?

glorified_j
glorified_j Posts: 183
edited October 2006 in Given To Fly (live)
I have been downloading a bunch of the european shows lately...right now I am downloading bern and vienna..looking around at some of the other posts ive noticed some were disappointed at the athens boot....is it really that bad?
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  • Low_Light03
    Low_Light03 Posts: 1,227
    The show and music is great but there are some really annoying loud girls during most of the show singing along and it makes you wanna turn it off. Great band energy though, and a great acoustic version of I AM MINE.
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  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    Low_Light03 wrote:
    The show and music is great but there are some really annoying loud girls during most of the show singing along and it makes you wanna turn it off. Great band energy though, and a great acoustic version of I AM MINE.
    hadn't listened to it yet...those girls are lucky not to have been near me!!
    bad mix there...teh crowd wasn't THAT loud yet you hear it far more than any other boot I listened to...even Dublin or Milan where the crowd WAS very loud!

    I wonder if it's done on purpose: relive the experience of having a very annoying neighbour!
    I can't believe it, you hear them as much as Ed on Footsteps!
  • RiffJam
    RiffJam Posts: 143
    Pegasus wrote:
    hadn't listened to it yet...those girls are lucky not to have been near me!!
    bad mix there...teh crowd wasn't THAT loud yet you hear it far more than any other boot I listened to...even Dublin or Milan where the crowd WAS very loud!

    I wonder if it's done on purpose: relive the experience of having a very annoying neighbour!
    I can't believe it, you hear them as much as Ed on Footsteps!


    Great show, one of my favourites I went to but agree the boot is pretty difficult to listen to with the constant high pitched shrieking. Getting nowhere near as much play as the others as a consequence.....
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  • omniscient
    omniscient Posts: 67
    RiffJam wrote:
    the boot is pretty difficult to listen to with the constant high pitched shrieking

    Agreed.But the show itself is worth listening,no doubt.
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  • obiwon76
    obiwon76 Posts: 568
    I was going to purchase this show, always like getting the last show, but after reading all the stuff about the crowd noise, I decided not too. Not sure why 99% of the boots are crowd noise free, but this show is not. There are plenty of other shows out there, I reccomend the Paris show.
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  • GO!!!
    GO!!! Posts: 74
    Haven't heard Athens yet, but If you want a good version of footsteps buy the Berlin show, it has a very good mix. First I was a little bit dissapointed that the crowd on the boot wasn't even half as loud as on that night, but after a few weeks of listening I really appreciate the mix.
  • Low_Light03
    Low_Light03 Posts: 1,227
    Basecamp should remix the show asap.
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  • desertman
    desertman Posts: 132
    Low_Light03 wrote:
    Basecamp should remix the show asap.

    i sent an email to basecamp asking if it is possible for a remix but this is the answer i got...

    "These are LIVE recordings. The screaming you hear is from individuals at the edge of the stage captured by all microphones on the stage.
    Basecamp Support"

    i also think that the recording or the mixing is bad but they dont care...
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  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    desertman wrote:
    i sent an email to basecamp asking if it is possible for a remix but this is the answer i got...

    "These are LIVE recordings. The screaming you hear is from individuals at the edge of the stage captured by all microphones on the stage.
    Basecamp Support"

    i also think that the recording or the mixing is bad but they dont care...
    that's bollocks!...same kind of bollocks as the 'holiday' excuse for the Dublin boot delay.

    the mix is wrong because the whole crowd is louder (not just the annoying girls) on this boot than on the other boots, but it was not really the case at the gig.
    And I was at exactly the same place in most so I can definetly compare.

    to take an example, on the Prague bootleg, you can't hear the poles shouting 'You forgot Poland', half as well as those girls. And man, they were loads of them, very loud, and right in front of the crowd mike.
    They just can't be bothered re-mixing, it's all.
  • Spencer
    Spencer Posts: 867
    That's a bunch of shit...each show is multi-track recorded, it would've been pretty simple for Brett to turn the audience mics down in the annoying parts. I guess he couldn't be stuffed doing it then or remixing it now, but that kinda sucks for those who've paid money to get a product of a certain standard. It's one of the best shows of '06 too, it's a shame.

    I think the pressure to get the boots out quickly has really negatively impacted on the mixing of a few of them this year, they sound rushed (see the problem above for proof). I wish Brett took more time in the mixing of each show and if it takes longer, it takes longer. Hell, just do it like 2000 and not release the shows til after the tour, at least they'll have the proper care and attention to detail neccessary.
  • theodore
    theodore Posts: 27
    it is very bad..
    complaints at support@basecampproductions.com
  • dats
    dats Posts: 118
    Holy crap! I'm listening to the boot for the first time right now and I'm at Betterman... This is just horrible! One thing is all the screaming, but seriously, they sing soooo bad it's just terrible! This is honestly too painfull....
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  • dats
    dats Posts: 118
    They totally ruin Footsteps... Lol, this is embarrasing, reminds me of watching Idol on tv... all the horrible singing...
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  • noa.who
    noa.who Posts: 130
    le'Dats wrote:
    Holy crap! I'm listening to the boot for the first time right now and I'm at Betterman... This is just horrible! One thing is all the screaming, but seriously, they sing soooo bad it's just terrible! This is honestly too painfull....


    tell me about it...
    too bad basecamps response to desertman's e-mail was so dismissing.
    maybe we should pressure them a little bit more?
    I got no decent version of footsteps from that show, and it upsets me to hear these girls sing (if I may say - out of key) almost louder than Eddie..
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  • ||Release_Me||
    ||Release_Me|| Posts: 1,871
    I have never had a bad word to say about ANY bootlegs released officially. BUT i listened to Athens last night and i couldn't listen to the whole thing. The screaming girls are uber-annoying and just made me turn it off.

    On a positive note, the band is on fire and Ed sounds intense for the first few songs, especially Animal. There's venom in his voice and it sounds powerful. And the acoustic I Am Mine is beautiful!
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  • CharlieP
    CharlieP Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 1,035
    If the annoying screams are captured by the stage microphones, there´s really not much to do about it. Not to compare or anything, but earlier this year my band made a live recording for a promotional live DVD, and during one song you can really hear one person very loudly, making some high pitch screams, really annoying. But when we had to mix everything, we couldn´t turn that voice down or pull it out or anything, because the scream didn´t have a track for itself. Then it would have damaged the vocal, guitars, drums and eveything. So everything´s sorta connected when it comes to stage mics. Sad but true.
    I haven´t heard the boot yet though I was present at the show.
    I´m still hoping for a fine audio return to the show, once I get those damn flac files converted to mp3´s!

    rock on

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  • Spencer
    Spencer Posts: 867
    CharlieP wrote:
    If the annoying screams are captured by the stage microphones, there´s really not much to do about it. Not to compare or anything, but earlier this year my band made a live recording for a promotional live DVD, and during one song you can really hear one person very loudly, making some high pitch screams, really annoying. But when we had to mix everything, we couldn´t turn that voice down or pull it out or anything, because the scream didn´t have a track for itself. Then it would have damaged the vocal, guitars, drums and eveything. So everything´s sorta connected when it comes to stage mics. Sad but true.
    I haven´t heard the boot yet though I was present at the show.
    I´m still hoping for a fine audio return to the show, once I get those damn flac files converted to mp3´s!

    rock on

    If you're recording in a club, it's understandable as it's a small area and some bleed into the mics is inevitable - when you're playing a stadium, it's sure to be markedly different however.

    Lazy, that's all it is. The only mic's that I could conceivably think might have some small amount of bleed from the audience that badly would be the vocal mics and even then, it's still not really acceptable as I just don't accept it'd be as noticable as it is on the boot.
  • Athina
    Athina Posts: 3
    Come on guys... You are writing like 70year-olds full of weird comments.
    The show was something else... We had been waiting for it all these years... That's why we all sang that loud, to express our feelings. For most of us in Greece it was the first time we shaw them live. How was your first live experience??? So get a grip and do not judge that bad on live shows. They are taking place for the crowds to sing and yell, not to be criticized for the sound...
  • UKDave
    UKDave Posts: 5,557
    Athina wrote:
    Come on guys... You are writing like 70year-olds full of weird comments.
    The show was something else... We had been waiting for it all these years... That's why we all sang that loud, to express our feelings. For most of us in Greece it was the first time we shaw them live. How was your first live experience??? So get a grip and do not judge that bad on live shows. They are taking place for the crowds to sing and yell, not to be criticized for the sound...

    By the sounds of it they are not criticising the show just the quality of the boot and if you can't hear the band or have bad singing over the band then I can understand where they are coming from... I haven't listened to Antwerp again since suffering Hunger Strike :eek:
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  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    CharlieP wrote:
    If the annoying screams are captured by the stage microphones, there´s really not much to do about it. Not to compare or anything, but earlier this year my band made a live recording for a promotional live DVD, and during one song you can really hear one person very loudly, making some high pitch screams, really annoying. But when we had to mix everything, we couldn´t turn that voice down or pull it out or anything, because the scream didn´t have a track for itself. Then it would have damaged the vocal, guitars, drums and eveything. So everything´s sorta connected when it comes to stage mics. Sad but true.
    I haven´t heard the boot yet though I was present at the show.
    I´m still hoping for a fine audio return to the show, once I get those damn flac files converted to mp3´s!

    rock on
    The mikes arrangement was not noticeably different from all the other shows, and the crowd was not noticeably louder...so there's no good reason for such a difference in crowd interference.

    And yes, it's great to hear the crowd...not to the point where it covers the rest..might as well have private recordings then!

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