SSB wasnt available on the list while plugging in the show results the other night....
I agree that the spirit of the thing, as well as the tag rule was to prevent snippets of WMA and Another Brick in the Wall II and SiFL, etc becoming hot selections and taking the place of real songs because all those would take up 1 or 2 rounds.
People should have said something during the drafts (which Int .Ovdrv. was discussed in nearly every conference). Its obvious SSB was not getting selected with a 1st encore stand alone song or anything.
If we had to start over, I would say no Int. Ovd, Chloe, or SSB, but I think it would be unfair to just declare those dead at this point and stick it to those who made those selections. I cant think of a 100% fair solution, honestly. Either count it or they can choose replacement(s)?
Pretty sure its listed as "The Star Spangled Banner".
My vote on the most fair thing to do: Allow each conference to vote on each individual song in question (interstellar, SSB, Chloe) and then either count it, or allow a replacement pick.
OR we call it a life lesson and don't vote, have no changes and everyone proceeds with the picks they currently have coutning INterstellar, SSB, abd Chloe as songs and not tags.
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SSB wasnt available on the list while plugging in the show results the other night....
I agree that the spirit of the thing, as well as the tag rule was to prevent snippets of WMA and Another Brick in the Wall II and SiFL, etc becoming hot selections and taking the place of real songs because all those would take up 1 or 2 rounds.
People should have said something during the drafts (which Int .Ovdrv. was discussed in nearly every conference). Its obvious SSB was not getting selected with a 1st encore stand alone song or anything.
If we had to start over, I would say no Int. Ovd, Chloe, or SSB, but I think it would be unfair to just declare those dead at this point and stick it to those who made those selections. I cant think of a 100% fair solution, honestly. Either count it or they can choose replacement(s)?
Pretty sure its listed as "The Star Spangled Banner".
My vote on the most fair thing to do: Allow each conference to vote on each individual song in question (interstellar, SSB, Chloe) and then either count it, or allow a replacement pick.
OR we call it a life lesson and don't vote, have no changes and everyone proceeds with the picks they currently have coutning INterstellar, SSB, abd Chloe as songs and not tags.
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As far as Chloe goes in the McCready conference, I made it a point to ask the group if it counted before making the pick. I think if we were going to label Chloe a tag we should have done it then.
My vote would be not to make any further changes now but to tweak the rules for next time. And I hope there will be a next time because this is fun...even if I am bringing up the rear so far.
Speaking for myself (Insterstellar OD-Gossard Conf), either way works for me...Allow the abbreviated version PJ has always played (vs the 15 min Pink Floyd version) or allow me to pick a replacement. Otherwise, I am pretty much guaranteed a 'shut out' on that song selection. I think either choice is fair but would rather take my chances with InstOD in the way it has historically been played.
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Speaking for myself (Insterstellar OD-Gossard Conf), either way works for me...Allow the abbreviated version PJ has always played (vs the 15 min Pink Floyd version) or allow me to pick a replacement. Otherwise, I am pretty much guaranteed a 'shut out' on that song selection. I think either choice is fair but would rather take my chances with InstOD in the way it has historically been played.
If you care, in the Vedder conference two people picked InstOD, and we decided that they way PJ plays it is a tag only since the song isn't ever played in its entirety, and both people got to choose something else, no problem.... but I agree that the best way is for the conference involved to vote on how to handle such issues, since they are the only ones affected.
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This is stupid.This is a fun thing we are doing here.Lighten up rule purests.It was played,it counts.done deal.
What were you expecting Ed to sing along with it.
PJ you get the points and I will back you if we vote as a conf.Each conf should have its own say(like letting peeps go back after draft to change to allow LB songs).
And it is just down right unamerican to not allow it.
Thanks man! :wave:
No worries.We always are bailing you Canadians out.Remember that shit next time We go at it on the ice in the Winter Olympics.
i wasn't trying to create this monster lol. I just thought that was the rule and thought it was agreed upon that way. either way i think mr dunn has spoken and onto the next show we go. enjoy the shows, and hope to see some of you in hartford where they will play all my song picks for the first time
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This is stupid.This is a fun thing we are doing here.Lighten up rule purests.It was played,it counts.done deal.
What were you expecting Ed to sing along with it.
PJ you get the points and I will back you if we vote as a conf.Each conf should have its own say(like letting peeps go back after draft to change to allow LB songs).
And it is just down right unamerican to not allow it.
Thanks man! :wave:
No worries.We always are bailing you Canadians out.Remember that shit next time We go at it on the ice in the Winter Olympics.
Oh, I will! I will reiterate my appreciation in the hopes that it will make you feel better after your team got crushed!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
My two cents is that Chloe and SSB are NOT tags, but Interstellar is. I guess I don't give a crap if people who have Interstellar pick a replacement song. Because, even though all the LB songs will end up gathering very few points, not all the conferences were even given the option to choose songs from LB. So, even though it doesn't really bother me, that kind of sways the results a little bit, too.
Let them all count. People drafted chole and crown knowing that they would be played together. People drafted Interstellar knowing it would be played before corduroy. Interstellar was not drafted in my conference but if it was it should be questioned right after the pick, not a few shows into the tour. If the conference didn't have a problem with it then, then let it be.
To me a tag shouldn't count if they sing a few lyrics, say during daughter. If they play interstellar they way we know Pj to play it (and how the person drafted it know how PJ play it) then let it count. If they play the full interstellar how its been played for years then let it count.
I also think its more fair to leave it alone, then let the people pick a new song since we are a few shows in.
Also, everyone if they had to re-pick would just take Other Side, which would get full life anyways.
If we want, we can start the email threads and allow people to vote.
Yeah, a re-vote I think would be more 'cheating' than counting the tag..
Otherside, I should have picked you :fp:
I sent an email to my conference asking them to vote. Not sure how many will respond. Only 2 replies so far, but both vote that SSB should get the points (and one mentioned that any song played in full should be counted, any song not played in full shouldn't be - I agree). Anyway, I'll let you know when enough people respond.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
This is exactly why I think points should only be awarded for songs listed with unique numbers (NOT the notes of a song) in the official Fan-View thread.
Dimitri is not participating in the Fantasy League, but if campaigns for songs to be played are successful, it ruins the integrity of the scoring.
Anyone who picked "Happy Birthday" (I'm looking at you Wilds - Gossard Conference) probably can't be awarded points if it is played (at least tonight in Philly). I'd be for Wilds getting a repick (if he wants).
I'm not trying to get too heady or nitpicky about this, but at the same time, it sort of ruins the fun if we aren't clear cut about scoring.
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This is exactly why I think points should only be awarded for songs listed with unique numbers (NOT the notes of a song) in the official Fan-View thread.
Dimitri is not participating in the Fantasy League, but if campaigns for songs to be played are successful, it ruins the integrity of the scoring.
Anyone who picked "Happy Birthday" (I'm looking at you Wilds - Gossard Conference) probably can't be awarded points if it is played (at least tonight in Philly). I'd be for Wilds getting a repick (if he wants).
I'm not trying to get too heady or nitpicky about this, but at the same time, it sort of ruins the fun if we aren't clear cut about scoring.
Well, we're having a vote within the Cameron Conference to decide this one. So far, 4 votes, 4 yeses to SSB getting the points. I'll let you all know how it turns out when I get at least 6 votes (besides mine).
For the next draft, I think the rule should very simply be that if a song is played in full, then it scores, if it's only played partially, then it's a tag. Easy peasy. I don't see why Sea's decisions on how he feels like typing out the song titles on any given night should impact our selections, honestly. I also think that Happy Birthday should get points.... Why in the hell would that song even be on the list of songs we could choose from if it's impossible for it to be counted as a song??? That's just completely unfair IMO.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
For the next draft, I think the rule should very simply be that if a song is played in full, then it scores, if it's only played partially, then it's a tag. Easy peasy. I don't see why Sea's decisions on how he feels like typing out the song titles on any given night should impact our selections, honestly. I also think that Happy Birthday should get points.... Why in the hell would that song even be on the list of songs we could choose from if it's impossible for it to be counted as a song??? That's just completely unfair IMO.
OK but that's precisely the problem. Without a bright line albeit possibly arbitrary rule, what is the alternative? The notes? What's to say that's any more accurate?
And who's determining if the song's played in full? What about different renditions of songs? I'm not saying Sea's track listing should impact our decisions, only that we should use his Fan-View thread as the arbiter, if only because it's slightly (or completely, for all I know) more "official" than any of our interpretations.
Look, this is all for fun, and my ultimate point is that it will be far more enjoyable if you have a clear cut rule on what counts and what doesn't. That means you need to pick a measure to determine what counts. We could say that youtube decides, or that the setlist relayer decides, or that whatever is listed in the notes decides, or the Fan-View setlist decides. All of those are choices, and each one is arbitrary in some respect. I'm saying that the Fan-View thread is going to be the least arbitrary. You have to pick something to go by, otherwise, discussions like this keep happening.
I chose the individually-numbered track list idea because typically, those mirror the setlists listed on the "Past Tour" section of the site. That's about as official as you can get.
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I think SSB should get the points as it was played in its entirety. Interstellar Overdrive is more interesting to me...particularly since I "own" it in the Goassard conference. It is in fact over 15 minutes long as originally played by Pink Floyd. Pearl Jam has never played this song as written/performed by Pink Floyd. My personal expectation when I selected this song was that if played, it would be in abbreviated version (as usual) probably as an opener to Courduroy. Will I get the points in that case, or does it have to be 15 minutes long?
I think that mayday either has (or will?) initiate a vote in the Gossard Conference on Interstellar Overdrive which I reference above in my previous post. This song has never been played in its entireity by PJ and probably never will. I selected it based on its 'traditional' offering by PJ, basically as a lead-in for Courduroy. If I will not earn points for that traditional offering, then it is a 'dead' selection that should not have been in the available song roster. Allowing a replacement pick is not fair at all to the remainder of the Gossard conference (IMO) as several shows have now passed and I could feasibly select a song not yet played that would have more 'life' at the end of the tour. I guess we shall see...
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For the next draft, I think the rule should very simply be that if a song is played in full, then it scores, if it's only played partially, then it's a tag. Easy peasy. I don't see why Sea's decisions on how he feels like typing out the song titles on any given night should impact our selections, honestly. I also think that Happy Birthday should get points.... Why in the hell would that song even be on the list of songs we could choose from if it's impossible for it to be counted as a song??? That's just completely unfair IMO.
OK but that's precisely the problem. Without a bright line albeit possibly arbitrary rule, what is the alternative? The notes? What's to say that's any more accurate?
And who's determining if the song's played in full? What about different renditions of songs? I'm not saying Sea's track listing should impact our decisions, only that we should use his Fan-View thread as the arbiter, if only because it's slightly (or completely, for all I know) more "official" than any of our interpretations.
Look, this is all for fun, and my ultimate point is that it will be far more enjoyable if you have a clear cut rule on what counts and what doesn't. That means you need to pick a measure to determine what counts. We could say that youtube decides, or that the setlist relayer decides, or that whatever is listed in the notes decides, or the Fan-View setlist decides. All of those are choices, and each one is arbitrary in some respect. I'm saying that the Fan-View thread is going to be the least arbitrary. You have to pick something to go by, otherwise, discussions like this keep happening.
I chose the individually-numbered track list idea because typically, those mirror the setlists listed on the "Past Tour" section of the site. That's about as official as you can get.
finally someone gets what I am talking about lol I hate the score of fun to fun
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This is exactly why I think points should only be awarded for songs listed with unique numbers (NOT the notes of a song) in the official Fan-View thread.
Dimitri is not participating in the Fantasy League, but if campaigns for songs to be played are successful, it ruins the integrity of the scoring.
Anyone who picked "Happy Birthday" (I'm looking at you Wilds - Gossard Conference) probably can't be awarded points if it is played (at least tonight in Philly). I'd be for Wilds getting a repick (if he wants).
I'm not trying to get too heady or nitpicky about this, but at the same time, it sort of ruins the fun if we aren't clear cut about scoring.
I don't see why Sea's decisions on how he feels like typing out the song titles on any given night should impact our selections, honestly.
I don't see why Sea's decisions on how he feels like typing out the song titles on any given night should impact our selections, honestly.
Because there aren't any better alternatives. Relying on the notes? Youtube? Set list relay threads?
Again, we have to pick some measure. Any one of those choices are going to be arbitrary; using the Fan-View thread might be the least arbitrary of all, especially since you could go ahead and measure if Sea's getting it right (compare Fan-View setlists to "Past Tour" setlists). I did two and they were both spot on.
I don't care if it's youtube or the setlist relay thread or anything; but you have to pick something. You might as well go with the least arbitrary.
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For the next draft, I think the rule should very simply be that if a song is played in full, then it scores, if it's only played partially, then it's a tag. Easy peasy. I don't see why Sea's decisions on how he feels like typing out the song titles on any given night should impact our selections, honestly. I also think that Happy Birthday should get points.... Why in the hell would that song even be on the list of songs we could choose from if it's impossible for it to be counted as a song??? That's just completely unfair IMO.
OK but that's precisely the problem. Without a bright line albeit possibly arbitrary rule, what is the alternative? The notes? What's to say that's any more accurate?
And who's determining if the song's played in full? What about different renditions of songs? I'm not saying Sea's track listing should impact our decisions, only that we should use his Fan-View thread as the arbiter, if only because it's slightly (or completely, for all I know) more "official" than any of our interpretations.
Look, this is all for fun, and my ultimate point is that it will be far more enjoyable if you have a clear cut rule on what counts and what doesn't. That means you need to pick a measure to determine what counts. We could say that youtube decides, or that the setlist relayer decides, or that whatever is listed in the notes decides, or the Fan-View setlist decides. All of those are choices, and each one is arbitrary in some respect. I'm saying that the Fan-View thread is going to be the least arbitrary. You have to pick something to go by, otherwise, discussions like this keep happening.
I chose the individually-numbered track list idea because typically, those mirror the setlists listed on the "Past Tour" section of the site. That's about as official as you can get.
Well at the very least, in the future, there should NOT be songs that can't possible win points on the list of songs that we're choosing from.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Okay, 6 people in the Cameron Conference have voted, and they all voted yes (and I do too). The Star Spangled Banner played in its entirety gets the points. Thanks team! FrankieG or Mayday10, can you please add the points? Thank you very much! ..... Sorry for causing all the hubbub with my pick.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Okay, 6 people in the Cameron Conference have voted, and they all voted yes (and I do too). The Star Spangled Banner played in its entirety gets the points. Thanks team! FrankieG or Mayday10, can you please add the points? Thank you very much! ..... Sorry for causing all the hubbub with my pick.
Don't apologize ,You didn't fuck anything up.Rember on these boards people get their panties in a wad over the littlest things.We are just doing this for fun.Only if your song points beat me will this be an issue.
Okay, 6 people in the Cameron Conference have voted, and they all voted yes (and I do too). The Star Spangled Banner played in its entirety gets the points. Thanks team! FrankieG or Mayday10, can you please add the points? Thank you very much! ..... Sorry for causing all the hubbub with my pick.
Don't apologize ,You didn't fuck anything up.Rember on these boards people get their panties in a wad over the littlest things.We are just doing this for fun.Only if your song points beat me will this be an issue.
Thanks again for backing me up.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
The Ament Conference needs a correction. Under photogirlliz, she chose PILATE but it is spelled incorrectly. Could someone make that change so she could get the points, please? Thank you very much. This fantasy league is really fun.
Starting to spread out, but leads can disappear very quickly when a song that hasn't been played, gets played. I think it's gonna come down to Seattle.
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Pretty sure its listed as "The Star Spangled Banner".
My vote on the most fair thing to do: Allow each conference to vote on each individual song in question (interstellar, SSB, Chloe) and then either count it, or allow a replacement pick.
OR we call it a life lesson and don't vote, have no changes and everyone proceeds with the picks they currently have coutning INterstellar, SSB, abd Chloe as songs and not tags.
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2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
But not much different than Untitled/MFC I guess...
As far as Chloe goes in the McCready conference, I made it a point to ask the group if it counted before making the pick. I think if we were going to label Chloe a tag we should have done it then.
My vote would be not to make any further changes now but to tweak the rules for next time. And I hope there will be a next time because this is fun...even if I am bringing up the rear so far.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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10/30/13 - Charlotte, NC
11/22/15 - Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
Let them all count. People drafted chole and crown knowing that they would be played together. People drafted Interstellar knowing it would be played before corduroy. Interstellar was not drafted in my conference but if it was it should be questioned right after the pick, not a few shows into the tour. If the conference didn't have a problem with it then, then let it be.
To me a tag shouldn't count if they sing a few lyrics, say during daughter. If they play interstellar they way we know Pj to play it (and how the person drafted it know how PJ play it) then let it count. If they play the full interstellar how its been played for years then let it count.
I also think its more fair to leave it alone, then let the people pick a new song since we are a few shows in.
Also, everyone if they had to re-pick would just take Other Side, which would get full life anyways.
If we want, we can start the email threads and allow people to vote.
Yeah, a re-vote I think would be more 'cheating' than counting the tag..
Otherside, I should have picked you :fp:
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This is exactly why I think points should only be awarded for songs listed with unique numbers (NOT the notes of a song) in the official Fan-View thread.
Dimitri is not participating in the Fantasy League, but if campaigns for songs to be played are successful, it ruins the integrity of the scoring.
Anyone who picked "Happy Birthday" (I'm looking at you Wilds - Gossard Conference) probably can't be awarded points if it is played (at least tonight in Philly). I'd be for Wilds getting a repick (if he wants).
I'm not trying to get too heady or nitpicky about this, but at the same time, it sort of ruins the fun if we aren't clear cut about scoring.
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2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
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2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
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2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
For the next draft, I think the rule should very simply be that if a song is played in full, then it scores, if it's only played partially, then it's a tag. Easy peasy. I don't see why Sea's decisions on how he feels like typing out the song titles on any given night should impact our selections, honestly. I also think that Happy Birthday should get points.... Why in the hell would that song even be on the list of songs we could choose from if it's impossible for it to be counted as a song??? That's just completely unfair IMO.
OK but that's precisely the problem. Without a bright line albeit possibly arbitrary rule, what is the alternative? The notes? What's to say that's any more accurate?
And who's determining if the song's played in full? What about different renditions of songs? I'm not saying Sea's track listing should impact our decisions, only that we should use his Fan-View thread as the arbiter, if only because it's slightly (or completely, for all I know) more "official" than any of our interpretations.
Look, this is all for fun, and my ultimate point is that it will be far more enjoyable if you have a clear cut rule on what counts and what doesn't. That means you need to pick a measure to determine what counts. We could say that youtube decides, or that the setlist relayer decides, or that whatever is listed in the notes decides, or the Fan-View setlist decides. All of those are choices, and each one is arbitrary in some respect. I'm saying that the Fan-View thread is going to be the least arbitrary. You have to pick something to go by, otherwise, discussions like this keep happening.
I chose the individually-numbered track list idea because typically, those mirror the setlists listed on the "Past Tour" section of the site. That's about as official as you can get.
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
I think that mayday either has (or will?) initiate a vote in the Gossard Conference on Interstellar Overdrive which I reference above in my previous post. This song has never been played in its entireity by PJ and probably never will. I selected it based on its 'traditional' offering by PJ, basically as a lead-in for Courduroy. If I will not earn points for that traditional offering, then it is a 'dead' selection that should not have been in the available song roster. Allowing a replacement pick is not fair at all to the remainder of the Gossard conference (IMO) as several shows have now passed and I could feasibly select a song not yet played that would have more 'life' at the end of the tour. I guess we shall see...
10/4/96 – Charlotte, NC
8/4/00 – Charlotte, NC
4/16/03 – Charlotte, NC
9/5/05 – Edmonton, Canada
6/16/08 - Columbia, SC
6/17/08 - VA Beach, VA
6/26-27/12 - Amsterdam, NL (I and II)
7/19/13 - Wrigley Feild, Chicago, IL
10/30/13 - Charlotte, NC
11/22/15 - Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
finally someone gets what I am talking about lol I hate the score of fun to fun
Wait, Sea is a guy?!!!
Mind blown. :shock:
Because there aren't any better alternatives. Relying on the notes? Youtube? Set list relay threads?
Again, we have to pick some measure. Any one of those choices are going to be arbitrary; using the Fan-View thread might be the least arbitrary of all, especially since you could go ahead and measure if Sea's getting it right (compare Fan-View setlists to "Past Tour" setlists). I did two and they were both spot on.
I don't care if it's youtube or the setlist relay thread or anything; but you have to pick something. You might as well go with the least arbitrary.
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
Don't apologize ,You didn't fuck anything up.Rember on these boards people get their panties in a wad over the littlest things.We are just doing this for fun.Only if your song points beat me will this be an issue.
Thanks again for backing me up.
It goes points, Guaranteed points, and Max Points
McCready Conference
FrankieG (Frank) 201 49 253
JB23237 199 47 251
MayDay10 179 46 257
EdVedd007 176 43 254
On2Legs 173 40 251
Jeff2040 151 37 255
Sparky_Fry 129 34 259
Bob Mayo 127 32 257
JLWhite1076 125 30 255
SkipWilsonJack 125 30 255
SissonP33 122 27 252
JimmyV 74 17 233
Gossard Conference
MIke's Side (Mike) 200 48 252
Yield98 (Joe S) 196 44 248
PH40764 (Patrick H) 179 46 257
Eddies in My Tree (Pete T) 177 44 255
Vant0037 (Joe V) 177 44 255
Ringo (John H) 177 44 255
WIlds (Nathan W) 152 38 256
Black Diamond (Adam
iisee (Jeff S) 123 28 256
Ando (Mike A) 103 27 259
PJ (Tom M) 78 21 260
Zelx77 (Alex N) 26 7 260
Ament Conference
Caveeze 202 50 254
Joanawilson 195 43 247
KM78948 176 43 254
Joey Eakins 174 41 255
Photogirllliz 153 39 257
yetanotherfiasco 152 38 256
Spiritual_Chaos 152 38 256
teeman 150 36 254
Leathermosquitoman 146 32 250
Jetherojam420 126 31 256
PJ51390 125 30 255
rrivers 102 26 258
Cameron Conference
Phillycrownofthorns 252 62 255
Evilclosetmonkey 202 50 254
PJ_Soul 178 45 256
BN8419 175 42 253
Eeriepadave 149 35 253
MusicDude415 149 35 253
PJ23 149 35 253
Neutron Baum 147 33 251
MJServs806r 126 31 256
Kurto26 124 29 254
rr165892 102 26 258
Gern Blansten 78 21 260
Vedder Conference
NoCode19 230 59 256
Nixon In Detroit 199 47 254
ragejoe 178 45 256
lejarmap138 175 42 253
jened10 169 36 247
Save Who 155 41 259
PJ_Soul (Alli) 146 32 250
Gibson (Mike) 128 33 258
8bitj 125 30 255
Gabe (Mayday10's friend) 125 30 255
Given2FlyFish 103 27 259
Smarchee 76 19 258
I think we should.. Good call on that pick realizing there was a show on 10/22!
2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD
2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
Starting to spread out, but leads can disappear very quickly when a song that hasn't been played, gets played. I think it's gonna come down to Seattle.
2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD
2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7