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rr165892

This is stupid.This is a fun thing we are doing here.Lighten up rule purests.It was played,it counts.done deal.
What were you expecting Ed to sing along with it.
PJ you get the points and I will back you if we vote as a conf.Each conf should have its own say(like letting peeps go back after draft to change to allow LB songs).
And it is just down right unamerican to not allow it.

PJ_Soul

rr165892 wrote:

This is stupid.This is a fun thing we are doing here.Lighten up rule purests.It was played,it counts.done deal.
What were you expecting Ed to sing along with it.
PJ you get the points and I will back you if we vote as a conf.Each conf should have its own say(like letting peeps go back after draft to change to allow LB songs).
And it is just down right unamerican to not allow it.

Thanks man! :wave:

FrankieG

rr165892 wrote:

This is stupid.This is a fun thing we are doing here.

Yeah I agree. First time we are doing it and obviously need to work out the bugs.

For the record, I marked it as 'played' on Sunday (Unless Mayday changed it back lol).

PJ_Soul

FrankieG wrote:

rr165892 wrote:

This is stupid.This is a fun thing we are doing here.

Yeah I agree. First time we are doing it and obviously need to work out the bugs.

For the record, I marked it as 'played' on Sunday (Unless Mayday changed it back lol).

Thanks to you as well (I don't think that the points are showing on the spreadsheet though... I think Mayday maybe did delete it?) ...... Sorry everyone. :oops: This has been awkward!

PJ51390

iisee wrote:

I think SSB should get the points as it was played in its entirety. Interstellar Overdrive is more interesting to me...particularly since I "own" it in the Goassard conference. It is in fact over 15 minutes long as originally played by Pink Floyd. Pearl Jam has never played this song as written/performed by Pink Floyd. My personal expectation when I selected this song was that if played, it would be in abbreviated version (as usual) probably as an opener to Courduroy. Will I get the points in that case, or does it have to be 15 minutes long?

Me too! I took it in Ament Conference!

PJ51390

PJ_Soul wrote:

FrankieG wrote:

rr165892 wrote:

This is stupid.This is a fun thing we are doing here.

Yeah I agree. First time we are doing it and obviously need to work out the bugs.

For the record, I marked it as 'played' on Sunday (Unless Mayday changed it back lol).

Thanks to you as well (I don't think that the points are showing on the spreadsheet though... I think Mayday maybe did delete it?) ...... Sorry everyone. :oops: This has been awkward!

Leave it to you to make it AWKWARD!

It's like asking a cabbie to go bowling!

PJ_Soul

PJ51390 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

FrankieG wrote:

Yeah I agree. First time we are doing it and obviously need to work out the bugs.

For the record, I marked it as 'played' on Sunday (Unless Mayday changed it back lol).

Thanks to you as well (I don't think that the points are showing on the spreadsheet though... I think Mayday maybe did delete it?) ...... Sorry everyone. :oops: This has been awkward!

Leave it to you to make it AWKWARD!

It's like asking a cabbie to go bowling!

Yeah, or jumping on a cab's hood!

MayDay10

I counted it.

SSB wasnt available on the list while plugging in the show results the other night....


I agree that the spirit of the thing, as well as the tag rule was to prevent snippets of WMA and Another Brick in the Wall II and SiFL, etc becoming hot selections and taking the place of real songs because all those would take up 1 or 2 rounds.
People should have said something during the drafts (which Int .Ovdrv. was discussed in nearly every conference). Its obvious SSB was not getting selected with a 1st encore stand alone song or anything.

If we had to start over, I would say no Int. Ovd, Chloe, or SSB, but I think it would be unfair to just declare those dead at this point and stick it to those who made those selections. I cant think of a 100% fair solution, honestly. Either count it or they can choose replacement(s)?

vant0037

MayDay10 wrote:

I counted it.

SSB wasnt available on the list while plugging in the show results the other night....


I agree that the spirit of the thing, as well as the tag rule was to prevent snippets of WMA and Another Brick in the Wall II and SiFL, etc becoming hot selections and taking the place of real songs because all those would take up 1 or 2 rounds.
People should have said something during the drafts (which Int .Ovdrv. was discussed in nearly every conference). Its obvious SSB was not getting selected with a 1st encore stand alone song or anything.

If we had to start over, I would say no Int. Ovd, Chloe, or SSB, but I think it would be unfair to just declare those dead at this point and stick it to those who made those selections. I cant think of a 100% fair solution, honestly. Either count it or they can choose replacement(s)?

I by no means meant to impose a rule on any other conference, just for clarification. I think Gossard decided that rule for itself a while ago, and then addressed it again in a post-draft email chain. I was just giving an example of why I think it's a good rule.

On that note, I still definitely believe that you'll need a bright-line rule about what counts as "played" or not. This isn't because Star-Spangled Banner wasn't played; it's because if we award points for things that are "played" but don't make it to the official setlists, it can only mean we're depending on eyewitness accounts, which, as we all know, can differ widely. And if we're depending on eyewitness accounts for scoring purposes, that's a slippery slope into scoring mayhem!

I say let each conference decide on it's rules or vote to resolve disputes.

PJ_Soul

vant0037 wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

I counted it.

SSB wasnt available on the list while plugging in the show results the other night....


I agree that the spirit of the thing, as well as the tag rule was to prevent snippets of WMA and Another Brick in the Wall II and SiFL, etc becoming hot selections and taking the place of real songs because all those would take up 1 or 2 rounds.
People should have said something during the drafts (which Int .Ovdrv. was discussed in nearly every conference). Its obvious SSB was not getting selected with a 1st encore stand alone song or anything.

If we had to start over, I would say no Int. Ovd, Chloe, or SSB, but I think it would be unfair to just declare those dead at this point and stick it to those who made those selections. I cant think of a 100% fair solution, honestly. Either count it or they can choose replacement(s)?

I by no means meant to impose a rule on any other conference, just for clarification. I think Gossard decided that rule for itself a while ago, and then addressed it again in a post-draft email chain. I was just giving an example of why I think it's a good rule.

On that note, I still definitely believe that you'll need a bright-line rule about what counts as "played" or not. This isn't because Star-Spangled Banner wasn't played; it's because if we award points for things that are "played" but don't make it to the official setlists, it can only mean we're depending on eyewitness accounts, which, as we all know, can differ widely. And if we're depending on eyewitness accounts for scoring purposes, that's a slippery slope into scoring mayhem!

I say let each conference decide on it's rules or vote to resolve disputes.

Luckily, a 10C member has so far been recording each entire show by just filming the big screen, and they have turned out great! All are on YouTube. So no need to depend on eye witness accounts so far.... Anyway, I clearly think that a song played fully cannot be a tag, and that a tag is a partially played song that is tacked onto another song. At any rate, I also agree that these kinds of disputes are probably best handled within the conference in question.
Thanks for all input folks!

FrankieG

MayDay10 wrote:

I counted it.

SSB wasnt available on the list while plugging in the show results the other night....


I agree that the spirit of the thing, as well as the tag rule was to prevent snippets of WMA and Another Brick in the Wall II and SiFL, etc becoming hot selections and taking the place of real songs because all those would take up 1 or 2 rounds.
People should have said something during the drafts (which Int .Ovdrv. was discussed in nearly every conference). Its obvious SSB was not getting selected with a 1st encore stand alone song or anything.

If we had to start over, I would say no Int. Ovd, Chloe, or SSB, but I think it would be unfair to just declare those dead at this point and stick it to those who made those selections. I cant think of a 100% fair solution, honestly. Either count it or they can choose replacement(s)?

Pretty sure its listed as "The Star Spangled Banner".

My vote on the most fair thing to do: Allow each conference to vote on each individual song in question (interstellar, SSB, Chloe) and then either count it, or allow a replacement pick.

OR we call it a life lesson and don't vote, have no changes and everyone proceeds with the picks they currently have coutning INterstellar, SSB, abd Chloe as songs and not tags.

MayDay10

the only real breach I see is someone took both Chloe and CoT, which is kind of leveraging a bit.

But not much different than Untitled/MFC I guess...

JimmyV

FrankieG wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

I counted it.

SSB wasnt available on the list while plugging in the show results the other night....


I agree that the spirit of the thing, as well as the tag rule was to prevent snippets of WMA and Another Brick in the Wall II and SiFL, etc becoming hot selections and taking the place of real songs because all those would take up 1 or 2 rounds.
People should have said something during the drafts (which Int .Ovdrv. was discussed in nearly every conference). Its obvious SSB was not getting selected with a 1st encore stand alone song or anything.

If we had to start over, I would say no Int. Ovd, Chloe, or SSB, but I think it would be unfair to just declare those dead at this point and stick it to those who made those selections. I cant think of a 100% fair solution, honestly. Either count it or they can choose replacement(s)?

Pretty sure its listed as "The Star Spangled Banner".

My vote on the most fair thing to do: Allow each conference to vote on each individual song in question (interstellar, SSB, Chloe) and then either count it, or allow a replacement pick.

OR we call it a life lesson and don't vote, have no changes and everyone proceeds with the picks they currently have coutning INterstellar, SSB, abd Chloe as songs and not tags.

.

As far as Chloe goes in the McCready conference, I made it a point to ask the group if it counted before making the pick. I think if we were going to label Chloe a tag we should have done it then.

My vote would be not to make any further changes now but to tweak the rules for next time. And I hope there will be a next time because this is fun...even if I am bringing up the rear so far.

iisee

Speaking for myself (Insterstellar OD-Gossard Conf), either way works for me...Allow the abbreviated version PJ has always played (vs the 15 min Pink Floyd version) or allow me to pick a replacement. Otherwise, I am pretty much guaranteed a 'shut out' on that song selection. I think either choice is fair but would rather take my chances with InstOD in the way it has historically been played.

PJ_Soul

iisee wrote:

Speaking for myself (Insterstellar OD-Gossard Conf), either way works for me...Allow the abbreviated version PJ has always played (vs the 15 min Pink Floyd version) or allow me to pick a replacement. Otherwise, I am pretty much guaranteed a 'shut out' on that song selection. I think either choice is fair but would rather take my chances with InstOD in the way it has historically been played.

If you care, in the Vedder conference two people picked InstOD, and we decided that they way PJ plays it is a tag only since the song isn't ever played in its entirety, and both people got to choose something else, no problem.... but I agree that the best way is for the conference involved to vote on how to handle such issues, since they are the only ones affected.

rr165892

PJ_Soul wrote:

rr165892 wrote:

This is stupid.This is a fun thing we are doing here.Lighten up rule purests.It was played,it counts.done deal.
What were you expecting Ed to sing along with it.
PJ you get the points and I will back you if we vote as a conf.Each conf should have its own say(like letting peeps go back after draft to change to allow LB songs).
And it is just down right unamerican to not allow it.

Thanks man! :wave:

No worries.We always are bailing you Canadians out.Remember that shit next time We go at it on the ice in the Winter Olympics.

jethrojam420

i wasn't trying to create this monster lol. I just thought that was the rule and thought it was agreed upon that way. either way i think mr dunn has spoken and onto the next show we go. enjoy the shows, and hope to see some of you in hartford where they will play all my song picks for the first time

PJ_Soul

rr165892 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

rr165892 wrote:

This is stupid.This is a fun thing we are doing here.Lighten up rule purests.It was played,it counts.done deal.
What were you expecting Ed to sing along with it.
PJ you get the points and I will back you if we vote as a conf.Each conf should have its own say(like letting peeps go back after draft to change to allow LB songs).
And it is just down right unamerican to not allow it.

Thanks man! :wave:

No worries.We always are bailing you Canadians out.Remember that shit next time We go at it on the ice in the Winter Olympics.

Oh, I will! I will reiterate my appreciation in the hopes that it will make you feel better after your team got crushed!

joannawilson

My two cents is that Chloe and SSB are NOT tags, but Interstellar is. I guess I don't give a crap if people who have Interstellar pick a replacement song. Because, even though all the LB songs will end up gathering very few points, not all the conferences were even given the option to choose songs from LB. So, even though it doesn't really bother me, that kind of sways the results a little bit, too.

sparky_fry

my 2 cents:

Let them all count. People drafted chole and crown knowing that they would be played together. People drafted Interstellar knowing it would be played before corduroy. Interstellar was not drafted in my conference but if it was it should be questioned right after the pick, not a few shows into the tour. If the conference didn't have a problem with it then, then let it be.

To me a tag shouldn't count if they sing a few lyrics, say during daughter. If they play interstellar they way we know Pj to play it (and how the person drafted it know how PJ play it) then let it count. If they play the full interstellar how its been played for years then let it count.

I also think its more fair to leave it alone, then let the people pick a new song since we are a few shows in.