Jesus you don't have to be from the US to know what it is. Us Europeans do know what it is.
Well apparently one European didn't.
He asked a question, OP wasn't being very nice (in my opinion), so I was trying to stick up for a fellow member and answer his question in a respectful manner.
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I've invested 20 plus years in Pearl Jam......Love em...This being said. The album is for crap! PJ is just cashing checks now. If Binaural/Riot Act/Pearl Jam/Backspacer/Lightning Bolt were never made it would be fine by me. Just my opinion but the PJ of twenty years ago if they traveled to today via time machine would be sick about the effort put forth on this album. Garbage in/Garbage out!
Ok so first you said they use autune and incorrectly pointed out what you thought was autone but in reality it wasn't..
THEN you said "well it isn't autotune but it is artificial crap", meaning you still are making up excuses to blast them,
THEN after multiple pages of people saying how the "artificial crap" thing is a fallacy you just go to blasting the album.
If you don't like the album fine. But it just seems to me like you are looking for the negativity everywhere you look and that makes you a rather interesting entity on a Pearl Jam board
its because he freaking smokes...been losing his voice for years now...afraid the time has come. too bad i bought tix to three freaking shows this tour, ugh.
go home, you're drunk.
umm, ok. you either 1) have trouble believing he smokes which i've witnessedevery show i've been to, or 2) that smoking doesn't affect your voice...either way, YOU'RE high dude. using every pop stars' crutch now, the dreaded robot.
Which shows did you buy tickets to? If its OKC, let me know, I'll buy them from you so you don't HAVE to go.
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He can't because there is NO autotune on the record. Only effects which are used all the fucking time on albums. Theyre used on vocals, guitars, bass....
Jesus you don't have to be from the US to know what it is. Us Europeans do know what it is.
Well apparently one European didn't.
He asked a question, OP wasn't being very nice (in my opinion), so I was trying to stick up for a fellow member and answer his question in a respectful manner.
yeah autotune in greek as translate,is:
Αυτοσυντονισμός and means self coordination..
and thought that earthquake phenomenon,when earthquake and building moves together and collapse..thats why i asked what means in music
thanks Lisa
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Sirens & Penduluum both sound like they have a heavy dose of auto tune or melodyne on them to me......but to me it doesnt really matter. I'd guess its there as more of an "effect" than a corrective measure. I.e the reason its on a lot of country music today is in a lot of cases b/c it has become a vocal "sound". Ive spent a lot of hours working with melodyne and in my experience it can really strip the vocal track of the natural vibrato that is there. I hear it specifically in the high notes of sirens ......particularly the second syllable of the word "sirens" when ed goes up high. As i said, i dont care, it really doesnt matter whether they use it or not. the effect is everywhere. But i dont think its worth jumping down peoples throats simply for suggesting that its on the record. That being said, i also think the fact that the band is MAYBE (i feel its there, but i cant be 100 percent positive) using auto tune is a crazy reason to stop listening to them.
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He can't because there is NO autotune on the record. Only effects which are used all the fucking time on albums. Theyre used on vocals, guitars, bass....
haha exactly. The title should actually be; REVERB..REALLY GUYS???
Never said I would stop listening to PJ. Just bummed out bout weak techno devices watering down the greatness which is PJ.
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I cringe any time I hear auto tune. I hear some layered and occasionally processed vocals on LB, but no auto-tune. I've used it myself while recording but only because it's quicker to tweak a note than do another take. IMO they likely used it some, but it's not over done.
If you are angry about reverb used on a singer's voice, why aren't you angry about reverb used on a guitar?
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Typical responses from the usual suspects on this forum........Let's call a spade a spade and agree that Eddie does not need to use voice altering gimmicks or electronic machines to sell records.
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Typical responses from the usual suspects on this forum........Let's call a spade a spade and agree that Eddie does not need to use voice altering gimmicks or electronic machines to sell records.
Typical responses from the usual suspects on this forum........Let's call a spade a spade and agree that Eddie does not need to use voice altering gimmicks or electronic machines to sell records.
I agree. No more electronic machines! Eddie should record all vocals straight to a Victrola run by a hamster in a wheel. Sell-outs!
Typical responses from the usual suspects on this forum........Let's call a spade a spade and agree that Eddie does not need to use voice altering gimmicks or electronic machines to sell records.
i agree..why the hell he use microphone to sing in the first place!!!??
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Typical responses from the usual suspects on this forum........Let's call a spade a spade and agree that Eddie does not need to use voice altering gimmicks or electronic machines to sell records.
I agree. No more electronic machines! Eddie should record all vocals straight to a Victrola run by a hamster in a wheel. Sell-outs!
Typical responses from the usual suspects on this forum........Let's call a spade a spade and agree that Eddie does not need to use voice altering gimmicks or electronic machines to sell records.
I agree. No more electronic machines! Eddie should record all vocals straight to a Victrola run by a hamster in a wheel. Sell-outs!
Damn! I should have thought of that.
I just love how instead of just saying, "Oh, I guess it isn't auto-tune, nevermind" he just keeps doubling down and digging the hole further and further. It's pretty hilarious to witness.
Typical responses from the usual suspects on this forum........Let's call a spade a spade and agree that Eddie does not need to use voice altering gimmicks or electronic machines to sell records.
Have you read any of the posts about the recording process of making an album? Its been explained at least 10 times. :roll:
The real question is why are you so intent on painting Ed in a negative light? Or are you just trying to get a rise out of certain fans/members? I dont get it. Its one thing to have a different opinion and discussion of something you dont like about the vocals but you just seem to want to bring nothing but negativity to the table.
anyone knows if auto sex machine invented yet??..oh wait..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
oh wow - i thought the OP had the funniest joke ever but now i realize this was serious. interesting.
i agree though - he totally sounds like TPain on the whole album.
#whitepeopleproblems
i think this is the common misunderstanding on this thread. A lot of people here seem to see the word "auto tune" and expect that cher / tpain effect. For those who legitimately dont know whats being referred to look up michael buble or tim mcgraw videos on youtube for extreme examples. Whats being discussed here is the sterile / somewhat robotic melodyne or autotune (two competing software pitch correction software plugins) effect that is pretty apparent on SOME (i dont hear it on all) of the tracks on lightning bolt.
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2011-9-11 Toronto / 2011-9-12 Toronto
2013-7-16 London, ON / 2013-7-19 Chicago / 2013-10-12 Buffalo
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Yes, I don't mind experimentation but for me the albums production is so far removed from how Pearl Jam had captured me and others with what was a truer sound less polished.
The very thing I expect to find to find when I attend a PJ show is missing from this LB album.....
1) Spontenaety..................this album could have been call Backspacer Part Deux
2) Power, Energy, Strength....much of this album lyrically sounds scared, weak, frail
3) Self mockery.................part of the appeal has always been the self deprecation of Ed
4) Drunkeness...................maybe Eddie was completly sober at the sessions for this album?
5) Crowd Interaction...........could be the producer to blame for this. We bring the best out of the band!
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06.06.2003 - LAS VEGAS, NEVADA
10.22.2003 - SEATTLE, WASHINGTON
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09.28.2004 - BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS
09.29.2004 - BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS
11.25.2005 - BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA
11.26.2005 - BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA
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10.01.2009 - UNIVERSAL CITY, CALIFORNIA
10.30.2013 - CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA 10.01.2014 - CINCINNATI, OHIO 09.15.2023 - FORT WORTH, TEXAS
Yes, I don't mind experimentation but for me the albums production is so far removed from how Pearl Jam had captured me and others with what was a truer sound less polished.
The very thing I expect to find to find when I attend a PJ show is missing from this LB album.....
1) Spontenaety..................this album could have been call Backspacer Part Deux
2) Power, Energy, Strength....much of this album lyrically sounds scared, weak, frail
3) Self mockery.................part of the appeal has always been the self deprecation of Ed
4) Drunkeness...................maybe Eddie was completly sober at the sessions for this album?
5) Crowd Interaction...........could be the producer to blame for this. We bring the best out of the band!
In regards to number two, I call BS. Ed's lyrics have always contained a lot of introspection and frailness, nothing new there.
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Yes, I don't mind experimentation but for me the albums production is so far removed from how Pearl Jam had captured me and others with what was a truer sound less polished.
The very thing I expect to find to find when I attend a PJ show is missing from this LB album.....
1) Spontenaety..................this album could have been call Backspacer Part Deux
2) Power, Energy, Strength....much of this album lyrically sounds scared, weak, frail
3) Self mockery.................part of the appeal has always been the self deprecation of Ed
4) Drunkeness...................maybe Eddie was completly sober at the sessions for this album?
5) Crowd Interaction...........could be the producer to blame for this. We bring the best out of the band!
When has PJ really ever had an unpolished sound? Vitalogy and Riot Act are a little raw in places, but the majority of their work has an obvious production sheen to it.
I'm surprised how many people are actually defending Es using pitch correction. Is it the worst thing in the world? Definitely not, but that's a different response than I would've anticipated. I'm sure more bands than ever are using auto tune for fixes, but I don't buy it's on every album we hear.
When I first heard the part the OP is referring to in Pendulum, I too wondered if it was autotune. After listening to the CD at home on my Harmon Kardon receiver and Definitive Technology speakers, it clearly is the layering of another voice track and then added reverb.
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Well apparently one European didn't.
He asked a question, OP wasn't being very nice (in my opinion), so I was trying to stick up for a fellow member and answer his question in a respectful manner.
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THEN you said "well it isn't autotune but it is artificial crap", meaning you still are making up excuses to blast them,
THEN after multiple pages of people saying how the "artificial crap" thing is a fallacy you just go to blasting the album.
If you don't like the album fine. But it just seems to me like you are looking for the negativity everywhere you look and that makes you a rather interesting entity on a Pearl Jam board
Which shows did you buy tickets to? If its OKC, let me know, I'll buy them from you so you don't HAVE to go.
Kansas City 5/3/2010
St. Louis 5/4/2010
St. Louis 7/1/2011 (EV Solo)
East Troy 9/3/2011
East Troy 9/4/2011
Wrigley Field 7/19/2013
Αυτοσυντονισμός and means self coordination..
and thought that earthquake phenomenon,when earthquake and building moves together and collapse..thats why i asked what means in music
thanks Lisa
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
2006-5-09 Toronto
2007-8-03 (ed w/ ben harper) chicago / 2007-8-05 chicago
2008-8-12 (ed solo) toronto
2009-10-08 (ed solo) Albany
2011-9-11 Toronto / 2011-9-12 Toronto
2013-7-16 London, ON / 2013-7-19 Chicago / 2013-10-12 Buffalo
2016-5-11 Toronto, On / 2016-5-13 Toronto, On
haha exactly. The title should actually be; REVERB..REALLY GUYS???
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10.22.2003 - SEATTLE, WASHINGTON
10.28.2003 - SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA
09.28.2004 - BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS
09.29.2004 - BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS
11.25.2005 - BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA
11.26.2005 - BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA
07.07.2006 - SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA
10.01.2009 - UNIVERSAL CITY, CALIFORNIA
10.30.2013 - CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA
10.01.2014 - CINCINNATI, OHIO
09.15.2023 - FORT WORTH, TEXAS
And yes I do like there music.
lol, thanks Rick Rubin.
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06.06.2003 - LAS VEGAS, NEVADA
10.22.2003 - SEATTLE, WASHINGTON
10.28.2003 - SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA
09.28.2004 - BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS
09.29.2004 - BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS
11.25.2005 - BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA
11.26.2005 - BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA
07.07.2006 - SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA
10.01.2009 - UNIVERSAL CITY, CALIFORNIA
10.30.2013 - CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA
10.01.2014 - CINCINNATI, OHIO
09.15.2023 - FORT WORTH, TEXAS
...which he doesn't.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
The real question is why are you so intent on painting Ed in a negative light? Or are you just trying to get a rise out of certain fans/members? I dont get it. Its one thing to have a different opinion and discussion of something you dont like about the vocals but you just seem to want to bring nothing but negativity to the table.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
i agree though - he totally sounds like TPain on the whole album.
#whitepeopleproblems
i think this is the common misunderstanding on this thread. A lot of people here seem to see the word "auto tune" and expect that cher / tpain effect. For those who legitimately dont know whats being referred to look up michael buble or tim mcgraw videos on youtube for extreme examples. Whats being discussed here is the sterile / somewhat robotic melodyne or autotune (two competing software pitch correction software plugins) effect that is pretty apparent on SOME (i dont hear it on all) of the tracks on lightning bolt.
2006-5-09 Toronto
2007-8-03 (ed w/ ben harper) chicago / 2007-8-05 chicago
2008-8-12 (ed solo) toronto
2009-10-08 (ed solo) Albany
2011-9-11 Toronto / 2011-9-12 Toronto
2013-7-16 London, ON / 2013-7-19 Chicago / 2013-10-12 Buffalo
2016-5-11 Toronto, On / 2016-5-13 Toronto, On
The very thing I expect to find to find when I attend a PJ show is missing from this LB album.....
1) Spontenaety..................this album could have been call Backspacer Part Deux
2) Power, Energy, Strength....much of this album lyrically sounds scared, weak, frail
3) Self mockery.................part of the appeal has always been the self deprecation of Ed
4) Drunkeness...................maybe Eddie was completly sober at the sessions for this album?
5) Crowd Interaction...........could be the producer to blame for this. We bring the best out of the band!
06.06.2003 - LAS VEGAS, NEVADA
10.22.2003 - SEATTLE, WASHINGTON
10.28.2003 - SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA
09.28.2004 - BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS
09.29.2004 - BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS
11.25.2005 - BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA
11.26.2005 - BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA
07.07.2006 - SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA
10.01.2009 - UNIVERSAL CITY, CALIFORNIA
10.30.2013 - CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA
10.01.2014 - CINCINNATI, OHIO
09.15.2023 - FORT WORTH, TEXAS
In regards to number two, I call BS. Ed's lyrics have always contained a lot of introspection and frailness, nothing new there.
Now this I believe... I also heard they went on as the Village People once...
When has PJ really ever had an unpolished sound? Vitalogy and Riot Act are a little raw in places, but the majority of their work has an obvious production sheen to it.
I'm surprised how many people are actually defending Es using pitch correction. Is it the worst thing in the world? Definitely not, but that's a different response than I would've anticipated. I'm sure more bands than ever are using auto tune for fixes, but I don't buy it's on every album we hear.