Admit it, Ed has regressed as a songwriter/lyrcist

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  • ForceofNature101
    ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,295
    The problem is this is so opinion based that there is going to be no conclusion reached by everyone and accepted as truth

    When the OP says "regressed", is there a clear definition of what a "good" songwriter and a "bad" one are? Because there isn't - that is largely personally defined. How can we say he has "regressed" when there is no clear scale to weigh songwriting qualities on?

    What constitutes a bad song vs. good? Now something can reach out as more interesting to someone and that is all good - but to equate that to a definite decline in songwriting quality in Ed in my view is huge fallacy
  • Ledbetterman10
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    Nope - Ed is a warrior poet

    A reluctant warrior poet to be exact

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  • simpleman
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  • jonbond1779
    jonbond1779 London, UK Posts: 1,642
    I would not say he has regressed at all but he is sounding very country these days
    "Bring it back, to the clean form. To the pure form"

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  • whispering hands
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    simpleman wrote:
    I can't wait to renew my membership
    Just go set up auto pay.. Never miss out on all this fun ever again! :D
  • The Juggler
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    ForceofNature101 wrote:
    What we are seeing here is an OP who is trying to dress up their opinions as fact

    As far as I am concerned this is a very strong album

    yeah. i hate that. then when someone calls him out on it, he then calls that person an "apologist."

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  • thefixer9
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    THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:
    Joe,

    ur posts a are all very negative too. Do this, go put Vitalogy on and just enjoy it.

    Joe needs to drive up to Seattle, get sky high and then listen to Lightning Bolt.
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  • HollisBrown
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    edited October 2013
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    i am a target wrote:
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    Enough of you and your bitching and whining already; we get it!


    Sorry, I wasn't aware only Pearl Jam apologists were allowed to post on this message board. I actually hold this band to a higher standard because I know how great they are and how great they can be.

    After 23 years, it's unrealistic to hold them to whatever "higher standard" you hold them to. So Ed's songwriting isn't as good as it was in 1996. Well neither is Michael Jordan's basketball playing.
    Uh, Michael Jordan retired. Are you saying Ed should pack it in?
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    thefixer9 wrote:
    THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:
    Joe,

    ur posts a are all very negative too. Do this, go put Vitalogy on and just enjoy it.

    Joe needs to drive up to Seattle, get sky high and then listen to Lightning Bolt.

    Does bicyclejoe even own a car?
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  • thefixer9
    thefixer9 Posts: 9,376
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    thefixer9 wrote:
    THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:
    Joe,

    ur posts a are all very negative too. Do this, go put Vitalogy on and just enjoy it.

    Joe needs to drive up to Seattle, get sky high and then listen to Lightning Bolt.

    Does bicyclejoe even own a car?

    Ah, good point. He can bike his way up here. Both Oregon and Seattle are very bike friendly.
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  • KK171821
    KK171821 Posts: 65
    i am a target wrote:
    I love 'Infallible', but can anyone else hear Liam Gallagher singing this one (and that isn't an insult ...I love Oasis)?

    I can see cornell singing it
  • Stephen Flow
    Stephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    No... I think we as PJ fans need to understand that the lyrics from the earlier albums were easier to relate to because they were riddled with angst and that appealed to us because of the age we were at the time... Ed is still writing honest lyrics that are important to him... but they may not be lyrics that all of the fans can relate to... That's one thing I can appreciate about Ed... his lyrics have always been honest and from the heart... I don't think you can fault someone for being genuine.
  • KK171821
    KK171821 Posts: 65
    THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:
    Dillion, is it you again dipshit? Your another negative poster on here. have at it champ.

    haha
  • corduroykelly
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6drBxqgSngE

    enough said
  • slightofjeff
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:
    It does, write a better song and perform it. I want to see how great your song is. I will judge it and then trash it so everyone can see. Is that not fair?

    And I hate SBM.

    so where's your song that's better than SBM?
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  • kevedder
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    Totally disagree. I think LB has some of his best work lyrically speaking. Ed is a different person to 23 years ago. He is not full of the angst about certain things in life and has also had two children which would immensely alter his outlook on life. Yes there are a couple of pretty songs on the last couple of albums but maybe he now has a greater grasp on love and feels that by sharing that he connects with people. 'the end' came out when my mum was suffering from bone cancer from which she died from...it was relevant to me. 'just breathe' was a song Mum listened to on repeat with unthought known and inside job..they meant a lot to her. I love the variation musically and in terms of themes explored on this album. And I'm sure there are plenty who do also. I understand people who don't like it too, but you still have a huge catalog of songs to listen to.
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  • GB281198
    GB281198 Virginia Posts: 653
    Why is ed the only one writing lyrics? Stone, Jeff, and Mike have written great songs(all those yesterdays,low light,inside job) why have they stopped?
  • crazygeo
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    ED has made it HIS band?
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  • october22
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    Stephen Flow wrote:
    No... I think we as PJ fans need to understand that the lyrics from the earlier albums were easier to relate to because they were riddled with angst and that appealed to us because of the age we were at the time...

    Not true. It's frustrating when people assume those critical of Ed's writing want him to be "angry" or full of "teen angst". What bullshit. That's not what people want. People want depth. That's why everyone is responding to Pendulum, Infallable and Yellow Moon so positively. Very few people want another Blood. What most people would love to hear are more songs like Tremor Christ, Imortality, Footsteps, Indifference, Light Years, Off He Goes, Nothing as it Seems, Oceans, I am Mine, Of the Girl, ALL OF YIELD, Sometimes, Who You Are, In My Tree, Smile, Present Tense, Nothingman...and the list can go on and on. Slow or mid tempo music with intelligent lyrics (plus some great lyrics from Jeff too)

    What's so "riddled with angst" about those songs? If you think those songs only appealed to you because you were 13, you're nuts. There is more maturity and depth in any one of those songs than the entirety of Backspacer and as much as I love this new record (I really, really do), only two or three come close to competing with any of the above. There is no reason a guy in his 40s or 50s couldn't or shouldn't be writing songs like that. His song writing has definitely changed but it's got nothing to do with "maturity." He may have done some crazy shit like climb scaffolding on stage and whatever but his songwriting and lyrics were mature as fuck in his 20s. I'm not attacking you or anything. It's just that I see this thing about angst or aggression all the time and I don't buy it.
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