Admit it, Ed has regressed as a songwriter/lyrcist

mfc2006

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I disagree with the OP, but respect his opinion. Not everyone likes the same things...that's the beauty of being an individual. Relax, folks. Go outside & take a walk.

THEBIBLEISTEN

Ok, lets settle down and keep it civil. Im just bustin balls and i really like the new record. I think the OP is 100% wrong but agree SBM sucks bad.

I have to go to soundcheck. Take it easy people.

Anyone is the mood for Buffalo wings?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:

Im having fun. This is great.

that's called being a troll.

THEBIBLEISTEN

Dillion, is it you again dipshit? Your another negative poster on here. have at it champ.

Merkin Baller

ForceofNature101 wrote:

What we are seeing here is an OP who is trying to dress up their opinions as fact

As far as I am concerned this is a very strong album

+1, it's music, it's subjective. I think he's as good of a songwriter as ever.

i am a target wrote:

It was meant to be a bit insulting/jarring ...that usually stirs up the pot and gets people thinking (well, some, anyway).

"meant to be insulting / jarring" with the intention of stirring the pot sounds a lot like trolling to me. . . . just saying.

THEBIBLEISTEN

Hey Merkin, I like ur pic in the Avatar..is that what its called?

I have that poster framed on my wall. Was a great concert in Hartford that night. Energy was incredible except for the pepper spray.

Dr. Delight

THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:

Dillion, is it you again dipshit? Your another negative poster on here. have at it champ.

i am a target

Merkin Baller wrote:

ForceofNature101 wrote:

What we are seeing here is an OP who is trying to dress up their opinions as fact

As far as I am concerned this is a very strong album

+1, it's music, it's subjective. I think he's as good of a songwriter as ever.

i am a target wrote:

It was meant to be a bit insulting/jarring ...that usually stirs up the pot and gets people thinking (well, some, anyway).

"meant to be insulting / jarring" with the intention of stirring the pot sounds a lot like trolling to me. . . . just saying.

given the fact that i'm engaging in (what i see as) meaningful conversation and contributing ...i don't see this as trolling.

nickburrows14

Don't agree. Ed still writes great, moving songs which touch everyone in different ways. Someone used Thumbing My Way as an example of his poor songwriting. That song moves me to tears sometimes so I have to disagree.

Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one but they're not that interested in someone else's

Merkin Baller

THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:

Hey Merkin, I like ur pic in the Avatar..is that what its called?

I have that poster framed on my wall. Was a great concert in Hartford that night. Energy was incredible except for the pepper spray.

My 1st show, yeah it was incredible. I was up on the lawn, luckily I was not near the pepper spray incident (wherever that was, I did hear about it).

And yeah, it's one of my favorite concert posters too. It was about 12 years or so before I found a decent size reprint of the poster on e-bay - it's no original, but it's good enough. I'm psyched to have it framed on my wall, it's beautiful.

THEBIBLEISTEN

I do agree the "Admit it" part...was very poor choice of words. Can you edit that? Troll.

What does trolling mean?

teeman

i am a target wrote:

teeman wrote:

This thread is like congress: I don't agree with either side but am fascinated watching them battle it out!

OP, you're entitled to your opinion. I disagree respectfully, and really don't like the "admit it" at the front of your post. I find it condescending to those who do like the music. However, you get some of those points back for using the word "maudlin."

Those criticizing the OP, I totally disagree with the whole "start a band" argument. What if I don't like a 300 million dollar blockbuster film? Should I go out and make my own? Same thing with songwriting. I can't write a song worth a damn, but I sure know what I like and don't like!

For what it's worth, I like Just Breathe and The End, less into SBM and Future Days, love Into the Wild, like Ukulele Songs, and am really digging Lightning Bolt so far.

It was meant to be a bit insulting/jarring ...that usually stirs up the pot and gets people thinking (well, some, anyway).

Gets me thinking that I've been insulted, I guess.

Merkin Baller

i am a target wrote:

It was meant to be a bit insulting/jarring ...that usually stirs up the pot and gets people thinking (well, some, anyway).

"meant to be insulting / jarring" with the intention of stirring the pot sounds a lot like trolling to me. . . . just saying.[/quote]

given the fact that i'm engaging in (what i see as) meaningful conversation and contributing ...i don't see this as trolling.[/quote]

How meaningful to you is a conversation that you started by being intentionally insulting? You're clearly not fishing for good positive reactions with your choice of words.

But hey, I also think EV is a great songwriter, so we disagree on many things. None of this makes either of us right.

EDIT: (apologies for hacking the quotes / colors)

Hugh Freaking Dillon

THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:

Dillion, is it you again dipshit? Your another negative poster on here. have at it champ.

stay classy.

bicyclejoe

i am a target wrote:

Let's be realistic. Ed hasn't written a good acoustic song in years. The acoustic tracks that he wrote on Lightning Bolt are just atrocious college-dorm-room G-D-C strumming stinkers. His lyrics are just god awful going back to Backspacer. 'Just Breathe', 'The End', 'Future Days', 'Sleeping By Myself' ...all of them are just plain bad. Even as songs qua songs they just aren't very good ...at all.

Be honest, if you heard a song on the radio with these lyrics you wouldn't give it a second listen:

I should have know there was someone else
Now I'm alone I always kept it to myself
Now I believe in nothing
Not today as I move myself out of your sight
Oh I'll be sleeping by myself tonight

You would laugh and think it was horrible and would probably wonder why you stopped on an adult contemporary/soft rock station anyway. His lyrics are just so damn maudlin and juvenile even as far back as 'Love Boat Captain' which, by the way, these songs make look like lyrical genius.

I will say, however, that Getaway is a solid tune.

I agree with the Op. But then again, I've never considered Ed more than a middling songwriter for the past decade. Still, I usually appreciate the songs.

THEBIBLEISTEN

Joe,

ur posts a are all very negative too. Do this, go put Vitalogy on and just enjoy it.

teeman

THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:

Joe,

ur posts a are all very negative too. Do this, go put Vitalogy on and just enjoy it.

Is this post not negative?

simpleman

This is, by far, their best album. Ed never used to write good acoustic songs. Ever since ITW, every single one has been great. They are really at their best when Ed and Mike are writing the songs. Stone and Matt are just not very good writers. I'm renewing my membership.

goldenboy8167

I'd just like to say "thanks" for this post, and every other in the last few months (years) where we get to hear that this song sucks or I like this song but not that one and this one should have had more guitar in the mix or Brendan O'Brien is ruining the band with his Svengali-like control he has and blah blah blah blah...

Oh shit, now I've just gone and done the same thing

Given2Fly-Fish

Nope - Ed is a warrior poet