Is Sirens the most polarizing PJ song ever?!

PeArLgOoNeR · September 2013

I've never enjoyed reading peoples reactions to new PJ like I have with this one

Was there ever a song of theirs that sparked such an immidiate reaction of love/hate?

dimitrispearljam · September 2013

its all the same with huge,great,amazing things in life..
people love it,or love to hate it..

scratched vinyl · September 2013

PeArLgOoNeR wrote:

I've never enjoyed reading peoples reactions to new PJ like I have with this one

Was there ever a song of theirs that sparked such an immidiate reaction of love/hate?

Anything poppy has caused similar debate, The Fixer and Unemployable come to mind. Before Avocado we were much more united.

dimitrispearljam · September 2013

scratched vinyl wrote:

PeArLgOoNeR wrote:

I've never enjoyed reading peoples reactions to new PJ like I have with this one

Was there ever a song of theirs that sparked such an immidiate reaction of love/hate?

Anything poppy has caused similar debate, The Fixer and Unemployable come to mind. Before Avocado we were much more united.

for sure the fixer didnt get the same mad love as sirens..and its fair thing to happen

ForceofNature101 · September 2013

It means that PJ is still changing things up, which is good

It is also a slow burner in my opinion just purely based on my own reactions to it

Here is how my journey with Sirens has gone so far:

1st listen: All this buildup for this tune? Slightly disappointing, it is too poppy and upbeat for a PJ song

2nd listen: Hey those harmonies Ed does are really cool. And he sounds fantastic. Cool solo from Mike

3rd listen: Hmm I actually like this tune

4th listen and since: Holy shit this is a killer tune! It all clicked with me this time around, this tune is melodic and really nice

klusterfuk · September 2013

I dig it. cant wait till Pittsburgh.

nickburrows14 · September 2013

Just wait until the album comes out! The beginning of the Ten Club civil war

scratched vinyl · September 2013

dimitrispearljam wrote:

for sure the fixer didnt get the same mad love as sirens..and its fair thing to happen

Yup I'll give you that it's fair. I think I'm in the minority though in that I've loved The Fixer since the first time I heard it. Eddie's brilliant at writing lyrics with positive messages without being over-sentimental - I always thought that song was a perfect example of it.

dimitrispearljam · September 2013

scratched vinyl wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

for sure the fixer didnt get the same mad love as sirens..and its fair thing to happen

Yup I'll give you that it's fair. I think I'm in the minority though in that I've loved The Fixer since the first time I heard it. Eddie's brilliant at writing lyrics with positive messages without being over-sentimental - I always thought that song was a perfect example of it.

its stange with some songs..the fixer didnt say alot to me,but i like it at live shows..its fun ..

frankmookie · September 2013

It's a good question..

We can say that Sirens had more impact than Mind Your Manners. Maybe because MYM does not surprise us in terms of sound... We could put MYM in Yeld for example.
But sirens is a new thing

Love it or Hate it (I love it pernonaly). The sound is fresh in terms of Pearl Jam reportory.
But even if you hate it, give credit to the band for trying new things out

THEY ARE ALIVE !! They want to surprise us.. they want to evolve

Cheers Tenners!

Neil Bruce · September 2013

ForceofNature101 wrote:

It means that PJ is still changing things up, which is good It is also a slow burner in my opinion just purely based on my own reactions to it

Here is how my journey with Sirens has gone so far:

1st listen: All this buildup for this tune? Slightly disappointing, it is too poppy and upbeat for a PJ song

2nd listen: Hey those harmonies Ed does are really cool. And he sounds fantastic. Cool solo from Mike

3rd listen: Hmm I actually like this tune

4th listen and since: Holy shit this is a killer tune! It all clicked with me this time around, this tune is melodic and really nice

This is pretty much how it went for me too!

Johnny Aggro · September 2013

frankmookie wrote:

It's a good question..

We can say that Sirens had more impact than Mind Your Manners. Maybe because MYM does not surprise us in terms of sound... We could put MYM in Yeld for example.
But sirens is a new thing Love it or Hate it (I love it pernonaly). The sound is fresh in terms of Pearl Jam reportory.
But even if you hate it, give credit to the band for trying new things out THEY ARE ALIVE !! They want to surprise us.. they want to evolve

Cheers Tenners!

Definitely agree. Coming into Work today listening to the radio and the whole morning show was dedicated to celebrating the 20th anniversary of In utero. I am like... compare that to Pearl Jam. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood. I always remember having bought both Vs and In Utero. there was a whole "who will release first". And I remember saying to myself at the time, I just know Pearl Jam will be around longer

Couple months later my Nirvana ticket dated 08.04.94 (same day Cobain was found) was useless and my gut feeling was right.

Damn I wish my ma didn't make me get a refund on that ticket #losttreasure :fp:

DriftingByTheStorm · September 2013

Johnny Aggro wrote:

frankmookie wrote:

It's a good question..

We can say that Sirens had more impact than Mind Your Manners. Maybe because MYM does not surprise us in terms of sound... We could put MYM in Yeld for example.
But sirens is a new thing Love it or Hate it (I love it pernonaly). The sound is fresh in terms of Pearl Jam reportory.
But even if you hate it, give credit to the band for trying new things out THEY ARE ALIVE !! They want to surprise us.. they want to evolve

Cheers Tenners!

Definitely agree. Coming into Work today listening to the radio and the whole morning show was dedicated to celebrating the 20th anniversary of In utero. I am like... compare that to Pearl Jam. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood. I always remember having bought both Vs and In Utero. there was a whole "who will release first". And I remember saying to myself at the time, I just know Pearl Jam will be around longer

Couple months later my Nirvana ticket dated 08.04.94 (same day Cobain was found) was useless and my gut feeling was right.

Damn I wish my ma didn't make me get a refund on that ticket #losttreasure :fp:

this post made me sad.
Kurt's death was SUCH a mind fuck to everyone.

FrankieG · September 2013

I think its so polarizing because its the only new song out right now, so everyone is talking about it. Once the whole album comes out we will all have several songs to talk about, so reactions will be less intense.

Champagne Breakfast · September 2013

I'm not sure I've ever reacted to a PJ single they way I have hear. It took a few listens/video watches to truly get it and I actually draw something else every time I hear the song.

There are two things that jump out to me on this topic....
1-The lyrics and vibe are intense, emotional and honest. If you allow yourself to get submersed by the song you can't help but think about your own life. I've seen so many people mention it brought them to tears (maybe me too?

).
I have a feeling this song live is gonna be an emotional roller-coaster for most in the building that night

2-Revealing the song via video performance added a whole new dimension. Seeing the sincerity in which the song is performed makes it so special. Especially seeing the band come together and all sing the ending

justam · September 2013

Frankly, I like it when they get inspired to try something different. It's healthy to change sometimes! I feel that fans that complain about the band too much are exactly like old friends that try to keep their friends from growing. It's WRONG to do that to others!

Blockhead · September 2013

justam wrote:

Frankly, I like it when they get inspired to try something different. It's healthy to change sometimes! I feel that fans that complain about the band too much are exactly like old friends that try to keep their friends from growing. It's WRONG to do that to others!

Wrong...
Fugazi didn't shit the bed when they got older, In fact The Argument is probably one of their best albums.
Fugazi knew when their time was up
Some bands know how to evolve musically/creatively (or know the effort)
Pearl Jam is not one of those bands, Since 2003 we have had (almost) 3 albums of rehashed riffs and basically tribute covers to bands that they look up to...As well as horrendous album art work.

Kimmiebyrom · September 2013

I think there will be a complete shitstorm around here when the album is released. I'm looking forward to the debate about the music, what people are getting from the songs, the direction of the band, etc. I am NOT looking forward to the senseless crap-slinging and insults that will inevitably occur. One can certainly not like something the band does, even hate it, without insulting another human being in the process. I've already seen people who like Sirens being billed as idiots, delusional, sheep, etc. It's like we forgot how to talk to with another reasonably! Sure, our band brings out emotions but DAMN.

Whywhyzed · September 2013

All band fanbases do this, unfortunately. It is what it is.

pjsteelerfan · September 2013

Blockhead wrote:

justam wrote:

Frankly, I like it when they get inspired to try something different. It's healthy to change sometimes! I feel that fans that complain about the band too much are exactly like old friends that try to keep their friends from growing. It's WRONG to do that to others!

Wrong...
Fugazi didn't shit the bed when they got older, In fact The Argument is probably one of their best albums.
Fugazi knew when their time was up
Some bands know how to evolve musically/creatively (or know the effort)
Pearl Jam is not one of those bands, Since 2003 we have had (almost) 3 albums of rehashed riffs and basically tribute covers to bands that they look up to...As well as horrendous album art work.

I disagree, but that is OK. I don't think Fugazi is the greatest band in the world or the argument to use here in my opinion. And what happened in 2003? I don't find Riot Act to be the defining PJ album either. I still rank it towards the bottom of their work. At least for me.

Neil Bruce · September 2013

Champagne Breakfast wrote:

2-Revealing the song via video performance added a whole new dimension. Seeing the sincerity in which the song is performed makes it so special. Especially seeing the band come together and all sing the ending

I love that part at the end where they all sing...it makes me smile every time

Abe Froman · September 2013

Blockhead wrote:

Wrong...
Fugazi didn't shit the bed when they got older, In fact The Argument is probably one of their best albums.
Fugazi knew when their time was up
Some bands know how to evolve musically/creatively (or know the effort)
Pearl Jam is not one of those bands, Since 2003 we have had (almost) 3 albums of rehashed riffs and basically tribute covers to bands that they look up to...As well as horrendous album art work.

1. I LOVE Fugazi and wish they were still making music together. Don't you?
2. So do you wish PJ had called it quits in 2003??? You don't appreciate any music or artwork since then? Because I for one love having songs like Unthought Known, WWS, Army Reserve (my list could go on) in my life. I understand not liking everything and liking early stuff better but wouldn't you miss songs off post 2003 albums??
3. You don't appreciate any of the LB artwork so far?

dmaradona10 · September 2013

I don't know...I remember No Code being pretty polarizing. Good thing about No Code was it kinda filtered out the fair weather fans...and us true fans are still here. I like Sirens...it has a nice feel to it.

DewieCox · September 2013

Blockhead wrote:

Wrong...
Fugazi didn't shit the bed when they got older, In fact The Argument is probably one of their best albums.
Fugazi knew when their time was up
Some bands know how to evolve musically/creatively (or know the effort)
Pearl Jam is not one of those bands, Since 2003 we have had (almost) 3 albums of rehashed riffs and basically tribute covers to bands that they look up to...As well as horrendous album art work.

Yeah, but Fugazi was shitting the bed the whole time.

You might not like where PJ has evolved/devolved, but to say that they are standing still is off the mark. I've screamed from the mountaintops that Backspacer is total weaksauce, but I'd rather they do that than get really repetitive.

They've always worn their influences right on their sleeve. Alive rips off 2 songs, Breakerfall lifts right from a Who tune.

SVRDhand13 · September 2013

Very few people have said- that songs okay. Its either I love it or I hate it

fife · September 2013

I find that when ever new songs come out by pearl Jam you have fans that hate it right away and you have fans that love it right away. the funny part is sometimes you have people who hated it right away and end up loving it in the future and the same the other way.

for me the key to a great pearl Jam song is can i listen to it in 3 years and still like it.

justam · September 2013

Blockhead wrote:

justam wrote:

Frankly, I like it when they get inspired to try something different. It's healthy to change sometimes! I feel that fans that complain about the band too much are exactly like old friends that try to keep their friends from growing. It's WRONG to do that to others!

Wrong...
Fugazi didn't shit the bed when they got older, In fact The Argument is probably one of their best albums.
Fugazi knew when their time was up
Some bands know how to evolve musically/creatively (or know the effort)
Pearl Jam is not one of those bands, Since 2003 we have had (almost) 3 albums of rehashed riffs and basically tribute covers to bands that they look up to...As well as horrendous album art work.

How am I wrong when I say that people need to be allowed to change? As an individual yourself, how would you feel if people around you expected you to stay the same at times when you felt like changing? Wouldn't you feel stifled?!

Be honest! Imagine a friend who teased or verbally abused you whenever you didn't want to do things you used to do?

Whywhyzed · September 2013

I've never understood the argument that goes something like:

"I no longer like the new music <Band Name> is making, so they should stop making music, and if you like it, you're wrong"

This happens *constantly* in the Rush community ("old Rush good, new Rush bad"). Why don't people just walk away? I absolutely LOVED R.E.M. once upon a time, but to me they became totally unlistenable when Bill Berry left. So... I stopped listening to the new stuff that I hated. It didn't diminish the the records before that, to me.

And sometimes, the band might surprise you later on. I really liked most of the last REM record Accelerate. Go figure.

JonnyPistachio · September 2013

nickburrows14 wrote:

Just wait until the album comes out! The beginning of the Ten Club civil war

Fuckdamn...and we all know PJ hates the south. We're screwed. :fp:

Save Me · September 2013

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

I think there will be a complete shitstorm around here when the album is released. I'm looking forward to the debate about the music, what people are getting from the songs, the direction of the band, etc. I am NOT looking forward to the senseless crap-slinging and insults that will inevitably occur. One can certainly not like something the band does, even hate it, without insulting another human being in the process. I've already seen people who like Sirens being billed as idiots, delusional, sheep, etc. It's like we forgot how to talk to with another reasonably! Sure, our band brings out emotions but DAMN.

I've seen the opposite as well as I've read through. People who don't like Sirens because they don't like the word "love" or they don't like ballads, etc. Stupidity goes both ways.

I personally can't stand Sirens but I think it's great that many do. To each their own.

fortyshades · September 2013

I think that a lot has to do with the way this song was hyped up. Comparing it to Black, which have to many people here a specific meaning, didn't help. It gives people tinted glasses to compare, where nostalgia will win in the end. Too much expectation. So what we get is polarized reactions to the bone.

Is Sirens the most polarizing PJ song ever?!

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