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Australia and NZ tour rumours going around Part 2 (No Bullshit)

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  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    yeh i had no idea about that... :eek: interesting

    i think this area is (and alway will be) such a goldmine in term of research etc, but there are so many variables attached.. i'd def. be up for reading your views Sus!! so your dad helped you out with it??

    Yes. We did it together. We wanted to write an ebook and try and sell it on the internet (there are soooo many people doing this and making some good money at the moment). So we identified a niche market (which really interested us luckily), went to the library and on the internet, got ridiculous amounts of information on the subjects and wrote a 200 page ebook on it. Basically, it's a guideline as to what you should be doing with your child in all areas to make him more intelligent.

    Eg A lot of parents just put their baby on the ground to play with a mobile or whatever while the parent washes up or cleans or whatever. It would be much more beneficial to the kid if the mum placed him in eye sight and talked directly to him constantly, explained what she was doing, used his name etc. Kids that get that kind of attention develop better and have bigger vocabularies, better bonding and heaps of other benefits.

    It's facinating stuff! It all has to do with the brain's neurons connecting to form synapses during the age of 0 - 3. If the kids don't use these synapses, they lose them when the body "prunes" its own synapses to create more room for the synapses that are used all the time (as these grow and become more complex as we learn). The more repetition you do with a kid (using words, flashcards, bonding, reading), the stronger these synapses will be and the more synapses the kid will have. So basically, the more a kid is stimulated between 0-3 (as opposed to sitting bored in a cot or on the floor looking at the ceiling), the smarter he'll be.

    So the ebook is nearly finished -- need to make a website now.
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    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    I strongly believe in teaching them from day dot!!
    I used to read everything out loud, both whilst pregnant and then until the kids were old enough to read. I read books to them everyday and as soon as they were able, every book I read I'd get them to pick a word out of the title and they'd have to read it every time they saw it in the book....etc etc. I could go on for aaaages with all the different things I did. But reading to children is more important that anything!!!
    So far both the boys are in 'Gifted and Talented' Academic programs (have to be in the top 5% in the state) and Maddi is even brighter than what they were at her age, so I suspect heading in the same direction.

    Kids are like sponges and people don't give them enough credit for just how smart they are......they don't attempt to teach them certain things cuz they think it's over their heads :rolleyes:

    People learn more in the first 5 years of their life, than they'll learn for the rest of their life :)

    EXACTLY!!! More parents need to take responsibility for their child's learning instead of leaving it up to teachers before it's too late!!! Good on you! YOU are the reason your kids are smart! I want to do the same to my kids. :)

    Did you know that if a kid is kept in darkness until it's about 6-8 months old, the connections between neurons in his brain won't form and that child will NEVER BE ABLE TO SEE EVER IN HIS LIFE!!! The nerves die and shrivel away. Bad, huh! Other areas such as reading, learning, maths, aren't as defined as eyesight but there are definite optimum periods for learning -- which are under the age of THREE!!!
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    ★ 2009 - Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, Christchurch ★
    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • Kids are like sponges and people don't give them enough credit for just how smart they are......don't attempt to teach them certain things cuz they think it's over their heads :rolleyes:

    yeh i strongly agree :) i was shocked to learn we spoke such fluent Greek as littlies.. now.. i can only understand it fluently.. and speak 'Greek-lish'

    ^^ :eek: ^^

    taking notes from you two ;) that's so cool about Maddi, all 3? how are the long days at kindy treating her?

    that's so fascinating sus, totally fits in with what i've learnt over the years, especially that intelligence is more so due to genetics rather than gained... those early years are so important..
    wah
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    Definitely Yay! He hates it. He gave me a couple of evil looks at the last Perth show :o I felt reallky bad.....but couldn't help it :(

    I was front row in front of Mike with a FLASH!!!! I wonder if that's why I didn't get a pick etc from Mike but everyone around me did??? :D Fuck the pick which will sit in a draw somewhere! I wanted photos!

    A tambourine would have been cool though! :D
    ★ 1995 - Brisbane ★ 1998 - Brisbane ★ 2003 - Brisbane ★ 2006 - Brisbane ★
    ★ 2009 - Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, Christchurch ★
    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • ZiggyStar wrote:
    Yes. We did it together. We wanted to write an ebook and try and sell it on the internet (there are soooo many people doing this and making some good money at the moment). So we identified a niche market (which really interested us luckily), went to the library and on the internet, got ridiculous amounts of information on the subjects and wrote a 200 page ebook on it. Basically, it's a guideline as to what you should be doing with your child in all areas to make him more intelligent.

    Eg A lot of parents just put their baby on the ground to play with a mobile or whatever while the parent washes up or cleans or whatever. It would be much more beneficial to the kid if the mum placed him in eye sight and talked directly to him constantly, explained what she was doing, used his name etc. Kids that get that kind of attention develop better and have bigger vocabularies, better bonding and heaps of other benefits.

    It's facinating stuff! It all has to do with the brain's neurons connecting to form synapses during the age of 0 - 3. If the kids don't use these synapses, they lose them when the body "prunes" its own synapses to create more room for the synapses that are used all the time (as these grow and become more complex as we learn). The more repetition you do with a kid (using words, flashcards, bonding, reading), the stronger these synapses will be and the more synapses the kid will have. So basically, the more a kid is stimulated between 0-3 (as opposed to sitting bored in a cot or on the floor looking at the ceiling), the smarter he'll be.

    So the ebook is nearly finished -- need to make a website now.
    YES!! Doesn't matter how boring or irrelevant you think it may be....even as far as describing everything you're doing eg: now I'll fill the sink with water.....put the plug in, turn the hot water on now the cold etc etc. Read out instructions on the back of packets; read street signs. Speak things that you're usually just thinking. I always used to have the kids in the room with me either on a bouncer, a blanket and when a bit older in a jolly jumper. They love it.....you can see in their little eyes/faces, that they are taking everything in. Like I said before....I could go on for days about it....but I truly believe in it all :)
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    yeh i strongly agree :) i was shocked to learn we spoke such fluent Greek as littlies.. now.. i can only understand it fluently.. and speak 'Greek-lish'

    ^^ :eek: ^^

    taking notes from you two ;) that's so cool about Maddi, all 3? how are the long days at kindy treating her?

    that's so fascinating sus, totally fits in with what i've learnt over the years, especially that intelligence is more so due to genetics rather than gained... those early years are so important..

    I suppose I just told you a bunch of stuff you already know! ha ha Sorry! :o

    So you learned that nature is more relevant than nurture?
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    ★ 2009 - Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, Christchurch ★
    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • Definitely Yay! He hates it. He gave me a couple of evil looks at the last Perth show :o I felt reallky bad.....but couldn't help it :(

    awww... :D
    ZiggyStar wrote:
    I was front row in front of Mike with a FLASH!!!! I wonder if that's why I didn't get a pick etc from Mike but everyone around me did??? Fuck the pick which will sit in a draw somewhere! I wanted photos!

    A tambourine would have been cool though! :D

    hahahaaa! a tambo would have been sweet.. didn't fishy get a smelly sweatband :p
    wah
  • ZiggyStar wrote:
    I suppose I just told you a bunch of stuff you already know! ha ha Sorry! :o

    So you learned that nature is more relevant than nurture?

    no.. definitely no, it all 'fits in' that's the cool thing about science, it's all relevant and interweaving, you taught me lots :D

    as for nature vs nurture... :eek: no, i'd lean towards nurture for sure, BUT, at the same time you can't ignore your history.. again with the variables...
    wah
  • ZiggyStar wrote:
    EXACTLY!!! More parents need to take responsibility for their child's learning instead of leaving it up to teachers before it's too late!!!
    haha. I remember stating at a year 1, beginning of the year, class meeting (way back when Steven started Primary school). That the teacher is only responsible for 50% of the teaching and the other is parents, granparents etc; responsibility. I'd brought it up cuz there were parents spewing about having to sit with their kids doing homework......WTF!!!!
    Honestly......people should have to do some sort of course, pass a test and get a licence before having kids! If it's too hard to sit with your 5/6 year old and find out (and maybe assist) what they're doing at school via homework.....then FUCK :mad:

    Like I said the other day - they're only kids for such a short time!!! Is it so hard?!
  • hehe we scared the guys off :D except fishy :eek:
    wah
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    YES!! Doesn't matter how boring or irrelevant you think it may be....even as far as describing everything you're doing eg: now I'll fill the sink with water.....put the plug in, turn the hot water on now the cold etc etc. Read out instructions on the back of packets; read street signs. Speak things that you're usually just thinking. I always used to have the kids in the room with me either on a bouncer, a blanket and when a bit older in a jolly jumper. They love it.....you can see in their little eyes/faces, that they are taking everything in. Like I said before....I could go on for days about it....but I truly believe in it all :)

    Ahhhh! The way you described the sink scene etc is EXACTLY how I just learned is the best way to raise intelligent kids. You sound like a GREAT mum! I hope I'm good like you! :)

    What's a jolly jumper? Is that a sling thingy? I want one of those for sure! So does Leigh.
    ★ 1995 - Brisbane ★ 1998 - Brisbane ★ 2003 - Brisbane ★ 2006 - Brisbane ★
    ★ 2009 - Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, Christchurch ★
    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • threefish10threefish10 Posts: 7,392
    ZiggyStar wrote:
    Do you (or your Greek friends) have sex anally before marriage? Have you ever heard of that?


    once a year?
    condescending and sarcastic since 1980
  • haha. I remember stating at a year 1, beginning of the year, class meeting (way back when Steven started Primary school). That the teacher is only responsible for 50% of the teaching and the other is parents, granparents etc; responsibility. I'd brought it up cuz there were parents spewing about having to sit with their kids doing homework......WTF!!!!
    Honestly......people should have to do some sort of course, pass a test and get a licence before having kids! If it's too hard to sit with your 5/6 year old and find out (and maybe assist) what they're doing at school via homework.....then FUCK :mad:

    Like I said the other day - they're only kids for such a short time!!! Is it so hard?!

    that's insane.. :( do you think school is being regarded as more of a place for babysitting than a place for your kids to learn these days? someone brought this up the other day..

    and from this i mean a parents point of view
    wah
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    no.. definitely no, it all 'fits in' that's the cool thing about science, it's all relevant and interweaving, you taught me lots :D

    as for nature vs nurture... :eek: no, i'd lean towards nurture for sure, BUT, at the same time you can't ignore your history.. again with the variables...

    Science is fucking cool. I was always a "business" student at school -- legal studies, accounting, economics etc. Sometimes I wonder if I would have been good at the sciences because I used to want to be a doctor/plastic surgeon (I love watching operatings and stuff). It's just so much more interesting than business....but I'm sure I'd get bored of it.

    I'd like to be a professional writer now I reckon....whether it's published at a bookstore or making a living online....as long as I'm writing. And can stay away from PEOPLE! I hate dealing with people.
    ★ 1995 - Brisbane ★ 1998 - Brisbane ★ 2003 - Brisbane ★ 2006 - Brisbane ★
    ★ 2009 - Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, Christchurch ★
    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • ZiggyStar wrote:
    Ahhhh! The way you described the sink scene etc is EXACTLY how I just learned is the best way to raise intelligent kids. You sound like a GREAT mum! I hope I'm good like you! :)

    What's a jolly jumper? Is that a sling thingy? I want one of those for sure! So does Leigh.
    Jolly Jumper : http://perfectlysafe.stores.yahoo.net/96770.html
    They're great for when they're a bit older......they love that little bit of independance and being upright. It's on a big spring and they can bounce up and down and all over the place. All my kids used to crack up!You can hook them to a frame (like in that pic) or a door frame. It was good - we could take it anywhere, if we were inside, outside chilling or doing gardening. The only downfall to them is that they're strapped in firmly, to a harness thing and if they poop in their nappy, it just squirts straight up their back :eek:
    Slings are great too.....I had one....for the front though....I couldn't stand having them on my back and not being able to make eye contact etc with them.
  • threefish10threefish10 Posts: 7,392
    didn't fishy get a smelly sweatband :p


    yes fishy did, and after a week of wearing it everywhere i decided to frame it.
    condescending and sarcastic since 1980
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    haha. I remember stating at a year 1, beginning of the year, class meeting (way back when Steven started Primary school). That the teacher is only responsible for 50% of the teaching and the other is parents, granparents etc; responsibility. I'd brought it up cuz there were parents spewing about having to sit with their kids doing homework......WTF!!!!
    Honestly......people should have to do some sort of course, pass a test and get a licence before having kids! If it's too hard to sit with your 5/6 year old and find out (and maybe assist) what they're doing at school via homework.....then FUCK :mad:

    Like I said the other day - they're only kids for such a short time!!! Is it so hard?!

    Why do these people have children? Go get a dog -- no don't actually! There are too many dogs sitting out in the yard with no attention whatsoever when all they want is a 1/2 hour walk and a pat.

    Get a fish!
    ★ 1995 - Brisbane ★ 1998 - Brisbane ★ 2003 - Brisbane ★ 2006 - Brisbane ★
    ★ 2009 - Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, Christchurch ★
    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    that's insane.. :( do you think school is being regarded as more of a place for babysitting than a place for your kids to learn these days? someone brought this up the other day..

    and from this i mean a parents point of view

    I can see that point! Be interesting to know Kylie's answer!
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    ★ 2009 - Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, Christchurch ★
    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • threefish10threefish10 Posts: 7,392
    i made the funniest joke on the last page and i don't think anyone saw it.
    condescending and sarcastic since 1980
  • that's insane.. :( do you think school is being regarded as more of a place for babysitting than a place for your kids to learn these days? someone brought this up the other day..

    and from this i mean a parents point of view
    ABSOLUTELY!!!! :mad:
    I wouldn't be a teacher for all the tea in China!!
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    Jolly Jumper : http://perfectlysafe.stores.yahoo.net/96770.html
    They're great for when they're a bit older......they love that little bit of independance and being upright. It's on a big spring and they can bounce up and down and all over the place. All my kids used to crack up!You can hook them to a frame (like in that pic) or a door frame. It was good - we could take it anywhere, if we were inside, outside chilling or doing gardening. The only downfall to them is that they're strapped in firmly, to a harness thing and if they poop in their nappy, it just squirts straight up their back :eek:
    Slings are great too.....I had one....for the front though....I couldn't stand having them on my back and not being able to make eye contact etc with them.

    Yeah! They're cool jolly jumpers. I want one!!! FOR ME! :D

    Leigh and I want front slings -- what's the point of the back sling when you could have a front sling and see your baby. When I have bubs, I want to see them as much as possible.

    My brother has a 17 year old and a 6 year old. I was talking about having kids and he's like "pop them out as close as you can so they get to Amy's age (6 year old)! Then you can do heaps more shit! They're a pain in the arse when they're little!

    Ummmm.....I hope I appreciate their baby years a bit more than that, thanks!
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    ★ 2009 - Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, Christchurch ★
    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • ZiggyStar wrote:
    Science is fucking cool. I was always a "business" student at school -- legal studies, accounting, economics etc. Sometimes I wonder if I would have been good at the sciences because I used to want to be a doctor/plastic surgeon (I love watching operatings and stuff). It's just so much more interesting than business....but I'm sure I'd get bored of it.

    I'd like to be a professional writer now I reckon....whether it's published at a bookstore or making a living online....as long as I'm writing. And can stay away from PEOPLE! I hate dealing with people.

    haha gotta LOVE people :eek: my faith in the human race was shot after starting at Coles..

    you didn't take any senior science classes? i avoided all business subjects and did bio etc.. opposite of you haha

    you mean you'd get bored of science or business? i can think of at least 5 different careers (in science) i REALLY wanna follow (and seeing boredom playing a part) but at the same time couldn't imagine doing anything different

    plastic surgeon? :D did you watch 'anatomy for beginners' on sbs?
    wah
  • ZiggyStar wrote:
    Why do these people have children? Go get a dog -- no don't actually! There are too many dogs sitting out in the yard with no attention whatsoever when all they want is a 1/2 hour walk and a pat.

    Get a fish!
    Get this....we know of couples who have finally decided it'd be trendy to have a baby and have had the baby booked into daycare before it's even born :eek: :mad:
  • yes fishy did, and after a week of wearing it everywhere i decided to frame it.

    you wore it? how could you :eek: eeeew :eek:

    :D
    wah
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    i made the funniest joke on the last page and i don't think anyone saw it.

    I saw it. I just decided to ignore it!

    So Threefish, have you been educating Zara yet? Or just sitting her in the bouncer while you play Xbox 360???
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    ★ 2009 - Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, Christchurch ★
    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • i made the funniest joke on the last page and i don't think anyone saw it.
    what? the once a year one??
  • ABSOLUTELY!!!! :mad:
    I wouldn't be a teacher for all the tea in China!!

    awwww :(

    1 of my 5 'maybe' careers was going back to HS to teach bio/chem.. but i'm too nice HAHAHAHA :D they'd eat me alive
    wah
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    Get this....we know of couples who have finally decided it'd be trendy to have a baby and have had the baby booked into daycare before it's even born :eek: :mad:

    Grrrrr.....

    That's why I'm looking at ebooks etc -- I want to be around my kids as much as possible! I do think daycare is good in small doses though -- get away from mum and dad and grandparents for a while. And I understand that in today's times, people have to do what they have to do to have little ones and that may involve full time daycare.

    I'm trying to figure my shit out now because I really want to be around them all the time. Can anyone tell I'm clucky? This ebook has made it waaay worse!
    ★ 1995 - Brisbane ★ 1998 - Brisbane ★ 2003 - Brisbane ★ 2006 - Brisbane ★
    ★ 2009 - Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, Christchurch ★
    ★ 2011 - EV Newcastle, Melbourne 1, Melbourne 2 ★
  • Get this....we know of couples who have finally decided it'd be trendy to have a baby and have had the baby booked into daycare before it's even born :eek: :mad:

    serious? 'cos of the trendiness factor not 'cos they needed to work...? :eek:
    wah
  • aus_suzaus_suz Posts: 9,406
    outside or inside? ;) LOL :D

    true story... for 2 years we had an outdoors bathroom.. with no roof :D
    We had an outdoor dunny when we first moved here it was so scary
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