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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I heard a while back that Amnesty regarded the Philadelphia police force as the most corrupt and racist in the country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Distr ... on_scandal
    The 39th District corruption scandal refers to a persistent pattern of brutality and corruption among a cadre of Philadelphia Police Department (PPD) officers, primarily from the department's 39th District, that emerged in late 1995 and received nationwide attention by 1997, eventually resulting in an investigation by Human Rights Watch.

    Many hundreds of people were involved in the epidemic of abuses that gripped North Philadelphia in the early 1990s; some are notable due to their direct participation, others for their participation in other notable events, particularly the extended legal proceedings related to the conviction of Mumia Abu-Jamal in the murder of Officer Daniel Faulkner.
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    One of my best friends is a philadelphia police officer, my finances sisters long term boyfriend is a philly cop, I know a about a dozen other cops, all very good people.

    Love how this motherfucker talks shit about racism and stereotypes them lumps all cops together.

    Grow up, numb nuts.

    We all come at it from our perspective and life experiences. A poor black kid from the inner city in Philly, the people your very own Roots talk about Black Thought and Quest. Not sure they would be willing to paint the Philly PD as paragons of good.

    Im sure your friend knows about that racist Frank Rizzo who's held up as Jesus Christ in his city.

    MOVE for example had a bomb dropped on their house, members were killed. One time a member of the group was trampled while pregnant by a police on a horse. She lost the baby.


    Things arent black and white my friend. Or they are if you need to meet quota. Cops see blacks as criminals. plain and simple.

    Cops are brutal by nature. How can someone walk around with mace, batons, guns, handcuffs tazers and not be going on a power trip and just itching to use that stuff?

    I have to think that you are joking with such an ignorant statement.


    Hate to break it to you but not everyone views the police as protecting and serving. You ever heard Vs?

    How could you come to any other conclusion watching King being beaten.

    Its indesputible cops have quotas. They plant evidence. And they get a piece of the drug money. You can live in pollyanna world or you can live in reality.

    If im a black man and I get pulled over, for anything, I can guarantee you im going to be terrified. I would make deliberate movements, Id keep a bible on the windshield and Id keep my arms firmly planted on the steering wheel.

    Somehow police that rape a black man with a broomstick, and shoot an unarmed man 41 times because they are imbeciles and believe a wallet is a gun.

    Or the King case. pigs beating a man on the ground, 33 plus times.

    Sorry, im not seeing the hero part of that. The cops in all those cases are worthless.

    Police culture is an old boys network. Men. and white. Look at what happened at the OJ trial. Not only did the LAPD pay salary to a racist like Fuhrmann, they were so immune to it, they thought nothing of it allowing him obtain "the evidence" and act as the star witness on the stand. Its engrained in the culture and the system.

    The police arent into dealing with their own problems publicly. They believe in the thin blue line. Things are handled internally. Quietly, if at all. So if they find out a cop beat some black guy senseless, the natural response for them is to "deal" with it internally.

    Had the King beating never been filmed, would the LAPD have been under fire? Would riots have happened? What would the police have told the public or Kings family? Would they have admitted the truth?
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    sorry 53-56 hits on King, not 33.
  • Hate to break it to you but not everyone views the police as protecting and serving. You ever heard Vs?

    How could you come to any other conclusion watching King being beaten.

    Its indesputible cops have quotas. They plant evidence. And they get a piece of the drug money. You can live in pollyanna world or you can live in reality.

    If im a black man and I get pulled over, for anything, I can guarantee you im going to be terrified. I would make deliberate movements, Id keep a bible on the windshield and Id keep my arms firmly planted on the steering wheel.

    Somehow police that rape a black man with a broomstick, and shoot an unarmed man 41 times because they are imbeciles and believe a wallet is a gun.

    Or the King case. pigs beating a man on the ground, 33 plus times.

    Sorry, im not seeing the hero part of that. The cops in all those cases are worthless.

    Police culture is an old boys network. Men. and white. Look at what happened at the OJ trial. Not only did the LAPD pay salary to a racist like Fuhrmann, they were so immune to it, they thought nothing of it allowing him obtain "the evidence" and act as the star witness on the stand. Its engrained in the culture and the system.

    The police arent into dealing with their own problems publicly. They believe in the thin blue line. Things are handled internally. Quietly, if at all. So if they find out a cop beat some black guy senseless, the natural response for them is to "deal" with it internally.

    Had the King beating never been filmed, would the LAPD have been under fire? Would riots have happened? What would the police have told the public or Kings family? Would they have admitted the truth?

    too much Spike Lee for this guy.
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    Hate to break it to you but not everyone views the police as protecting and serving. You ever heard Vs?

    How could you come to any other conclusion watching King being beaten.

    Its indesputible cops have quotas. They plant evidence. And they get a piece of the drug money. You can live in pollyanna world or you can live in reality.

    If im a black man and I get pulled over, for anything, I can guarantee you im going to be terrified. I would make deliberate movements, Id keep a bible on the windshield and Id keep my arms firmly planted on the steering wheel.

    Somehow police that rape a black man with a broomstick, and shoot an unarmed man 41 times because they are imbeciles and believe a wallet is a gun.

    Or the King case. pigs beating a man on the ground, 33 plus times.

    Sorry, im not seeing the hero part of that. The cops in all those cases are worthless.

    Police culture is an old boys network. Men. and white. Look at what happened at the OJ trial. Not only did the LAPD pay salary to a racist like Fuhrmann, they were so immune to it, they thought nothing of it allowing him obtain "the evidence" and act as the star witness on the stand. Its engrained in the culture and the system.

    The police arent into dealing with their own problems publicly. They believe in the thin blue line. Things are handled internally. Quietly, if at all. So if they find out a cop beat some black guy senseless, the natural response for them is to "deal" with it internally.

    Had the King beating never been filmed, would the LAPD have been under fire? Would riots have happened? What would the police have told the public or Kings family? Would they have admitted the truth?

    too much Spike Lee for this guy.

    Nah I just dwell in a world where things like that are real and should be punishable. Police should be held to the same standard as Joe Blow, probably an even higher standard.

    I dont know about you but Im not interested in being friendly with people who rape others with broomsticks. Thats not really in my makeup.

    You can side with the pigs who shoot an unarmed black man because his wallet looks like a gun. I dont consider those type of people worthy human beings.

    Again, you listened to WMA at all? You read the liner notes for Malice Green? You paid attention to the zilllions of police brutality cases in the last decade?

    Police are brutal by nature. Thats how they deal with people. Anyone who has attended a protest can attest to this.

    Who'd support a beast that brutalizes, rapes, plants evidence, tazes, shoots, and murders innocent people?

    Ive got other idols and heroes thank you very much.

    Pigs in blue who refer to blacks as the n word arent among that group!
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I heard a while back that Amnesty regarded the Philadelphia police force as the most corrupt and racist in the country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Distr ... on_scandal
    The 39th District corruption scandal refers to a persistent pattern of brutality and corruption among a cadre of Philadelphia Police Department (PPD) officers, primarily from the department's 39th District, that emerged in late 1995 and received nationwide attention by 1997, eventually resulting in an investigation by Human Rights Watch.

    Many hundreds of people were involved in the epidemic of abuses that gripped North Philadelphia in the early 1990s; some are notable due to their direct participation, others for their participation in other notable events, particularly the extended legal proceedings related to the conviction of Mumia Abu-Jamal in the murder of Officer Daniel Faulkner.


    Exactly, the news around 2002 or so, that was a big deal was the Philly pigs coming out and saying "we have the cleanest record in terms of police brutality in the nation, not one cop has been convicted of it".

    Then the next question was asked, "But how many complaints and lawsuits and allegations of abuse and brutality were there?"

    And the pig goes, "oh thousands and thousands...but those are just allegations and complaints".
    ----

    Tells you all you need to know about how police deal with misconduct and criminal behavior among the ranks.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037

    too much Spike Lee for this guy.

    Too much Spike Lee for this guy? Wow! I'd love you to elaborate on this lame comment.
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    I heard a while back that Amnesty regarded the Philadelphia police force as the most corrupt and racist in the country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Distr ... on_scandal
    The 39th District corruption scandal refers to a persistent pattern of brutality and corruption among a cadre of Philadelphia Police Department (PPD) officers, primarily from the department's 39th District, that emerged in late 1995 and received nationwide attention by 1997, eventually resulting in an investigation by Human Rights Watch.

    Many hundreds of people were involved in the epidemic of abuses that gripped North Philadelphia in the early 1990s; some are notable due to their direct participation, others for their participation in other notable events, particularly the extended legal proceedings related to the conviction of Mumia Abu-Jamal in the murder of Officer Daniel Faulkner.


    Exactly, the news around 2002 or so, that was a big deal was the Philly pigs coming out and saying "we have the cleanest record in terms of police brutality in the nation, not one cop has been convicted of it".

    Then the next question was asked, "But how many complaints and lawsuits and allegations of abuse and brutality were there?"

    And the pig goes, "oh thousands and thousands...but those are just allegations and complaints".
    ----

    Tells you all you need to know about how police deal with misconduct and criminal behavior among the ranks.

    While you categorically describe police officers as pigs... can you please tell us the admirable profession with which you earn your money to pay 10C fees? Is it beyond reproach? I'm sure it must be. Please share.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I read that the Philly pigs were caught robbing drug dealers, and even robbing and beating up innocent civilians and throwing them in jail if they complained.

    Then again, maybe I've just seen too many Spike Lee movies?
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    I read that the Philly pigs were caught robbing drug dealers, and even robbing and beating up innocent civilians and throwing them in jail if they complained.

    Then again, maybe I've just seen too many Spike Lee movies?

    Geezuz Byrnzie... don't rile people up too much. Pretty soon they'll start on the teachers and paint us with a big broad brush as well. Have you read some of the sick school teacher headlines lately?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    props to the jury for not being swayed by the emotion of it all.

    I don't know gimme... a jury of 6 women (apparently 5 white and 1 possibly hispanic). I'm sure the defense played on some 'fears' a number of women may have ref their safety and emotion played a good part in the verdict.

    But, not having been at the trial and heard everything the defense team said, it's just a 'feeling' but I wouldn't put it past them....
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I read that the Philly pigs were caught robbing drug dealers, and even robbing and beating up innocent civilians and throwing them in jail if they complained.

    Then again, maybe I've just seen too many Spike Lee movies?

    Geezuz Byrnzie... don't rile people up too much. Pretty soon they'll start on the teachers and paint us with a big broad brush as well. Have you read some of the sick school teacher headlines lately?

    Not saying all cops are bad. But sounds like the Philly cops have a lot to answer for.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    redrock wrote:
    props to the jury for not being swayed by the emotion of it all.

    I don't know gimme... a jury of 6 women (apparently 5 white and 1 possibly hispanic). I'm sure the defense played on some 'fears' a number of women may have ref their safety and emotion played a good part in the verdict.

    But, not having been at the trial and heard everything the defense team said, it's just a 'feeling' but I wouldn't put it past them....

    don't it sound a little odd there were only 6 members of the jury ? and all women ?? shit even John Gottie got 12 jurrers :lol:
    it just seemed to me that the state did everything they could (and unfairly) to stack the odds aginst zimmerman and withholding evidense as well ? I am suprised zimmerman walked on this one.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    The Justice Department has responded to appeals to probe whether George Zimmerman committed any civil rights violations in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin -- but previously filed FBI documents are already challenging the narrative that the shooting was racially motivated.

    Sanford police detective Chris Serino told FBI agents last year that after examining the case, it appeared Zimmerman was suspicious of Martin because of his "attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community."



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07 ... z2Z7IyUXfC

    Godfather.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,815
    Something a lawyer friend posted somewhere that I thought was a good read. I actually don't agree with it totally, but thought it was well reasoned.

    "Just like Casey Anthony, there wasn't enough evidence in the George Zimmerman trial to overcome the reasonable doubt that the defense instilled in the jury. The system worked EXACTLY how it was supposed to based on the laws in Florida. A "murderer" didn't go free in EITHER case - both accused were found not guilty by a jury of their peers.

    The system worked perfectly. It's designed to make it difficult for the government to restrict your liberty, and rightfully so. The state has to meet the highest burden of proof we have to ensure citizens' liberty. It's just that, based on the laws of Florida and the facts of the situation, the prosecution wasn't able to meet that standard...so the presumption of innocence stands. This isn't the court of public opinion, which doesn't care about logic, facts, laws, or evidence - emotion reigns supreme in that "court" and it has already sanctioned Zimmerman.

    If you're upset that Zimmerman has gotten off "scot-free", don't be upset for too long. He hasn't. His reputation is destroyed. The life he knew before this incident is no more. It will be hell for him to get a job. He'll probably have to move across country and change his name to avoid the stigma attached to him by the aforementioned court of public opinion. He'll still have to defend himself against a wrongful death suit that will be filed by Martin's family...and in civil court the burden of proof is "preponderance of the evidence". All the family will have to show is it was more likely than not that Zimmerman caused a wrongful death and they'll get a financial judgment against Zimmerman that will destroy whatever life he could possibly have left.

    I don't have an issue with people being upset because their perception of the case didn't match the hours and hours of testimony heard by the jury - that's perfectly understandable. I do have an issue with people calling Zimmerman a "murderer"; those people are completely ignoring the fundamental basic of our justice system - a defendant is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Zimmerman was found not guilty in a court of law, therefore he is not a "murderer". Do not call him that if you're an American."
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Mumia should get the fucking needle
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I read that the Philly pigs were caught robbing drug dealers, and even robbing and beating up innocent civilians and throwing them in jail if they complained.

    Then again, maybe I've just seen too many Spike Lee movies?

    Geezuz Byrnzie... don't rile people up too much. Pretty soon they'll start on the teachers and paint us with a big broad brush as well. Have you read some of the sick school teacher headlines lately?

    Not saying all cops are bad. But sounds like the Philly cops have a lot to answer for.

    You have no idea what you are talking about
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,815
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    Not saying all cops are bad. But sounds like the Philly cops have a lot to answer for.

    You have no idea what you are talking about

    Not ALL cops are bad...just ALL PHILLY COPS.

    Hahaha, actually, if I think about it, he's probably close to being right.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    "Only white life is protected in America," one protester in Washington shouted Sunday.

    The Rev. Jesse Jackson called for protests to continue, but to remain peaceful.

    "There will be protests, but they must be carried out with dignity and discipline," he told CNN's "New Day."

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/z ... ?hpt=hp_t1


    I knew there was a race issue here somewhere.....zimmerman is mexican/white ? but now it's a white issue :fp:
    jesse jackson should be arrested for insiting a riot :shock:

    Godfather.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Mumia should get the fucking needle

    Why should an innocent man get the needle? Because he's black and outspoken?