Protests in Egypt-Morsi overthrown

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  • British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    redrock wrote:
    Like last time, they will probably drag their feet. To consider - though the military said they were on the side of the protesters and only 'helped' (thus not seeing this as a coup), they did overthrow an elected president they didn't like (whether he/his government did the job properly during the past year), just like they were taking a great part in the previous 'change'. What is to say that, should they not approve of the next government, they won't do the same? Their 'help' is not altruistic at all - they have their own agenda. They are well trained and bankrolled by the US, they have a lot of business interests and own a lot of land - they will ensure whatever is done is in their best interest.

    I totally agree with Wolf ( :wave:) - it's not going to be all plain sailing. The egyptian people were becoming disaffected as the economy was going to pots - no jobs, the fuel crisis only a week or so ago, etc. Miscontent... this isn't going to go away.

    Edit: So... Morsi under arrest and 300 warrants issued for the ex-president's men.... Why?
    This is what I instinctively thought on the issue. Regardless of whether or not they are doing a good job, a bad job, etc., a precedent is now being set kind of undermines the whole democratic process. It's like the whole free speech / WBC thing, yeah of course they are a group of hateful idiots but if we rule that they cannot protest because we don't like what they say, then that sets the precedent that we can do that to anyone we disagree with... Not saying that people shouldn't uprise against their government but I guess it's just kind of interesting to see where it goes from here, and if this is their solution to any government they dislike in the future.
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  • Posts: 1,568
    The army is shooting and the brothas are bombing. Sweet!

    Anyway, am I the only person who finds it odd that when the dude from London opens his mouth to say that there needs to be an election soon in Egypt and it is to be open to everybody, including Morsi that it sounds pretty fucking stupid. The guy was elected and is now in prison, buy hey feel free to "ave anodder kick at da can, mate".

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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited July 2013
    I'm really not sure how to feel about the happenings in Egypt. Can't decide if I think it's a positive or an ominous development in the socio-political sense.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Posts: 44,766
    I think from the outset that Morsi and The MB overplayed their hand. It wasn't wise to pull some of the moves he did in regards to the Army and The Courts.

    Same shit we have here really. One side "wins" and fails to govern the whole. Instead plays to and for the base.
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    mickeyrat wrote:
    I think from the outset that Morsi and The MB overplayed their hand. It wasn't wise to pull some of the moves he did in regards to the Army and The Courts.

    Same shit we have here really. One side "wins" and fails to govern the whole. Instead plays to and for the base.
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    It is called, 'Spending political capital'. Basically... You elect me into office... and I will pass legislation that favors you.
    Egypt, Welcome to Democracy.
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    It is called, 'Spending political capital'. Basically... You elect me into office... and I will pass legislation that favors you.
    Egypt, Welcome to Democracy.
    COMPLETELY forgetting what it was that made it possible for them to get elected in the first place!!
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    mickeyrat wrote:
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    COMPLETELY forgetting what it was that made it possible for them to get elected in the first place!!
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    The disturbing aspect of all of this is the military's involvement. If the civilian leadership has no control of the military, then the military can do as it pleases. That is the governmental body that gets the last word in who get to be the President... not the citizens.
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    The disturbing aspect of all of this is the military's involvement. If the civilian leadership has no control of the military, then the military can do as it pleases. That is the governmental body that gets the last word in who get to be the President... not the citizens.
    Any military can do that. But I think , on the surface at least , they initially wanted to easily control those crowds. This action certainly mollifies them to some extent.

    This will be interesting to watch , that's for sure. I also think that funding will continue.
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  • \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    Interrsting posters and statements being viewed.

    "We love americans but hate obama terrorism"
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • Posts: 25,293
    Live updates of "post-coup violence"

    "05:05 GMT: 34 supporters killed and 500 injured after police disperse Cairo protests, Muslim Brotherhood told Al Jazeera."

    http://rt.com/news/egypt-milllions-protest-morsi-458/
  • Posts: 1,018
    Granted he's "just a kid"...but I think you'd be hard pressed to find any kid in the U.S. who could so eloquently express why he believes this revolution is occurring. He makes some solid points to say the least...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4umifTLSII
  • Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Once again, women attempting to join the protests are being violently attacked and gang-raped. I don't know what it will accomplish, but Amnesty International is collecting signatures to protest the ongoing violence against women in Tahrir Square: http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/siteap ... 1307EAWMN1
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
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    Edit: So... Morsi under arrest and 300 warrants issued for the ex-president's men.... Why?
    Control. Can't have the folks you just ousted running about garnering support for a re-takeover.
  • Posts: 25,293
    "7 People Die and Hundreds Are Injured in Cairo Clashes"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/world ... .html?_r=0
  • Posts: 2,319
    Cosmo wrote:
    Let's everyone step back and look at the situation and form our opinions based on some truths.
    Yes, Morsi was elected in a Western approved election.
    Yes, Morsi is backed by the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Yes, The Muslim Brotherhood is a fundamentalist religious group with heavy political involvement.
    Yes, Morsi set up a Constitution that was heavily influenced by his base.
    Yes, secular Egyptians do not want to live under a theocratic rule.
    Yes, the military did step in to prevent civil unrest from turning violent.
    Yes, this is a Coup d'etat.
    Yes, the U.S. and Western Nations do not support Military Coups (unless they come up with economic reasons to support them).
    ...
    Now. what do you want?
    Do you want the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi re-instated because they won a free election that was endorsed and approved by the Western World?
    Or, do you want their military to make the final call on who wins?
    ...
    Personally... i don't think it is any of our (The United States) business. Democracy is difficult because there is never a 100% winner. There is always going to be dissent. We see this in our own country, right now. Would we be okay with our military uprooting President Obama, just because they don't like him? Should we have done that with former President Bush?
    No. Because we live in a Democracy, whether we like it or not. sometimes, we win... sometimes we don't. but, we still (are supposed to) accept the will of our people and quit being cry babies about it.
    That's Egypt's lesson to learn about Democracy. We may be able to express an opinion on their domestic situation... but, really... we are we to tell them what to do?
    I say, give advise... stop foriegn aid to them. Let them decide how their nation is formed. It's not our job to build their nation. That one is on them.

    America is not a Democracy, Rule by the majority.
    we are a Republic, Ruled by Law
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Posts: 9,478
    At least 278 dead

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/14/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t1
  • Posts: 9,478
    Now 525

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013 ... -coup.html

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