Kid Rock offers insight into the scalping industry
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Anyone who buys a scalped ticket is contributing to the issue of scalping and has no valid arguement to complain about it.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:Anyone who buys a scalped ticket is contributing to the issue of scalping and has no valid arguement to complain about it.
Even if you pay less than face for a ticket from a scalper?There's no need to say goodbye0 -
...P34RL J4MM3R wrote:
Even if you pay less than face for a ticket from a scalper?
No. Getting 'scalped' as in paying 300 bucks for an 80 dollar ticket.
Making the scalper take a loss is a good thing.
Also, will will almost always find a fellow fan-mate that'll get you in at a break-even.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:...
No. Getting 'scalped' as in paying 300 bucks for an 80 dollar ticket.
Making the scalper take a loss is a good thing.
Also, will will almost always find a fellow fan-mate that'll get you in at a break-even.
Is that better than the possibility of them eating the tickets? If you buy under face value, you are just bailing them out of a bad purchase they made..Gorge0 -
Cosmo wrote:...
No. Getting 'scalped' as in paying 300 bucks for an 80 dollar ticket.
Making the scalper take a loss is a good thing.
Also, will will almost always find a fellow fan-mate that'll get you in at a break-even.
Is that better than the possibility of them eating the tickets? If you buy under face value, you are just bailing them out of a bad purchase they made..Gorge0 -
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Is that better than the possibility of them eating the tickets? If you buy under face value, you are just bailing them out of a bad purchase they made..
You're right... the best thing is to make him eat the entire ticket. But, I also understand the person that wants to get into the gig. It's the people who pay the scalpers those ridiculous prices that keeps them in business. Make them operate at a loss... they go out of business.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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How do you know the scalper even paid for the tickets, or paid face value? At a minor league hockey game, of all events, I saw a dude walk out of the ticket office with tix in hand while I was waiting in line to buy my legit tickets. 10 minutes prior I saw him on the street hawking tix. He had a friend on the inside.0
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...ceska wrote:How do you know the scalper even paid for the tickets, or paid face value? At a minor league hockey game, of all events, I saw a dude walk out of the ticket office with tix in hand while I was waiting in line to buy my legit tickets. 10 minutes prior I saw him on the street hawking tix. He had a friend on the inside.
Here... most of them are regulars. We see the same people (who obviously, don't give a shit about the band) trying to sell tickets. Different bands, different venues... same faces.
Same goes for sporting events... they don't care about the team... it's all about money.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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It's sort of why ticket prices have skyrocketed over the last 20 years as well. When you look at how many tickets get resold way over face value, you know they were undervalued. IE the band sells them for less then they are worth.
So the scalpers kind of show artists how much they can actually get for tickets, and the prices keep going up.
If artists actually sold the tickets at what they're worth, how would the concerts be? Who be attending? What would the energy be like?
I've only ever bought scalped tickets three times. The first was metallica in Toronto '98. We paid about 160 for $40 tickets to get into the pit. Which seemed alot back then, but not so much anymore. Bought some 35 dollar baseball tickets for $30 at a jays game a few days later. We were going to buy at the box office but some guy offered us some sweet ones at discount. The third was a mariners/yankees game. I think we paid about 50 for $35 tickets.
All we last minute events and it was the only way to go (or we got a discount).
I've been to alot of concerts and if I'm planning in advance I can get good seats without paying scalpers. It's when you don't plan in advance its get tough :(0 -
Cosmo wrote:Anyone who buys a scalped ticket is contributing to the issue of scalping and has no valid arguement to complain about it.
I buy from scalpers if need be, no complaints. Im not driving to chicago from ct and not seeing the show because i demand a ticket for 80 bucks instead of 150.0 -
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I buy from scalpers if need be, no complaints. Im not driving to chicago from ct and not seeing the show because i demand a ticket for 80 bucks instead of 150.
Which is my point. If you are buying scalped tickets for twice the price... don't complain about paying twice the price.
I'm refering those individuals who pay twice the price... and turn around and complain about scalpers. If you don't like scalpers... don't feed them.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Not sure if you'll be able to view this vid outside of Australia, but it gives a bit of an insight into the myth of the extent of private scalping - from 'The Checkout'
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thecheckout/clips/ (scroll down to the 'Tickets' vid)0 -
I sold a Bad Religion ticket to a scalper a few months ago. My buddy couldn't make it last minute so I had a spare and showed up pretty close to show time. I hung out for a few minutes to see if someone wanted to buy it for face or even give it away if they seemed cool (ticket was only $30) but the show was about to start and I had no takers. I walked towards the door and sold it to a scalper for $10. Why throw it out? It's not like he was going to be able to sell it above face anyway so I didn't feel wrong about it. Doesn't really have much to do with Kid Rock but I felt like sharing, haha0
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moretonbayfig wrote:Not sure if you'll be able to view this vid outside of Australia, but it gives a bit of an insight into the myth of the extent of private scalping - from 'The Checkout'
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thecheckout/clips/ (scroll down to the 'Tickets' vid)
Not working for me. What's the gist?0 -
I went to a NASCAR race in Las Vegas, showed up half hour before it started, he told me 140.00, I said I could afford 80.00, so I paid 80.00 for a 175.00 ticket and the guy I sat next to, asked me how much I paid for it, told him 80.00, he said "I sold it to him for 40.00" and we laughed about it, lol, so I bought mine at half face value and they still made over a 100% profit, and I am sure most people paid much more than me0
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moretonbayfig wrote:Not sure if you'll be able to view this vid outside of Australia, but it gives a bit of an insight into the myth of the extent of private scalping - from 'The Checkout'
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thecheckout/clips/ (scroll down to the 'Tickets' vid)
It says content is only viewable from within Australia.
I learned a lot from that article about the way these Stubhubs work. I could never believe it's legal for those ticket resale fuckers to buy bulk quantities of tickets not available to the general public and then resell them at astronomical prices while the guys standing outside MSG or other venues are risking arrest. I would like to play devil's advocate on that subject: http://fort-greene.thelocal.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/ticket-scalpers-shadow-barclays-center-events/
So imagine my surprise to learn that the artists or venues are in fact participating in that Stubhub crap? It makes perfect sense I just never gave it much thought before. I've never bought a scalped ticket simply because I wouldn't want to show up to a show I wanted to go to that bad without tickets, because I think if I failed to get a scalped ticket it would be the biggest disappointment. And I would never pay double face value for a ticket on Stubhub.
They should make all ticket resale illegal and force ticket companies to give refunds if people can't go. I like how in all of this the ticket service fees or whatever they're called aren't even MENTIONED because we're all so used to it that comparatively it's not even an issue.
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"I've had people in the scalping business come at me already and try to make side deals like, 'I can make you thousands of dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash if you'll just flip a few of these tickets our way for certain shows,'" he recalled.
From the last paragraph in the article.
That quote pretty much illustrates the state of things....knowing full well that this particular tour was supposed to be a bit of statement on ticket prices and scalping, the scalpers were undeterred and still tried to pull their tricks. It's hilarious that some continue to maintain that all is above-board in this seedy business.0 -
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It says content is only viewable from within Australia.
I learned a lot from that article about the way these Stubhubs work. I could never believe it's legal for those ticket resale fuckers to buy bulk quantities of tickets not available to the general public and then resell them at astronomical prices while the guys standing outside MSG or other venues are risking arrest. I would like to play devil's advocate on that subject: http://fort-greene.thelocal.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/ticket-scalpers-shadow-barclays-center-events/
So imagine my surprise to learn that the artists or venues are in fact participating in that Stubhub crap? It makes perfect sense I just never gave it much thought before. I've never bought a scalped ticket simply because I wouldn't want to show up to a show I wanted to go to that bad without tickets, because I think if I failed to get a scalped ticket it would be the biggest disappointment. And I would never pay double face value for a ticket on Stubhub.
They should make all ticket resale illegal and force ticket companies to give refunds if people can't go. I like how in all of this the ticket service fees or whatever they're called aren't even MENTIONED because we're all so used to it that comparatively it's not even an issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IbDFgEnNFY This is the Youtube version of the same video (not sure if it is also not available outside of Australia?) but basically says that tickets advertised on eBay etc do not account for the huge shortfall in tickets - the clip points to the fact that anti-scalping laws are being overturned in many states of the US because the laws don't work, that for stadium gigs usually only a small proportion of tickets go on sale (after removing those that go to fan clubs, promoters, Visa/Mastercard pre-sales, other sponsors, VIPs etc.) and when technology allows for several thousands of computers to be accessing Ticketmaster at the same time there will always be a shortfall. Essentially, it attributes a rise in ticket prices to these scarcity techniques of the major players like Ticketmaster for the rise in ticket prices, particularly in Australia (because we are subject to very high ticket prices plus price-gouging in the form of high fees for postage and handling and fees even for downloading and printing your own tickets).0 -
I actually don't mind scalpers. They help me get into concerts or games for less than what I would pay anywhere else. All you have to do is show up and talk to them right before the event starts and haggle them down. Be firm because they usually realize that with such little time before the show, you are the last resort. And on the flip side, I've sold tix to scalpers just to make some beer money so it all works out in the end.
If a scalper wants too much, I simply wait for another to come by. Maybe living on the East Coast gives me the luxury of being accustomed to a million scalpers at events...can't speak for how it is elsewhere.'08- Camden 1-2 '09- Chicago 2; Spectrum 1-4
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I totally agree with this post63schoefflin wrote:I actually don't mind scalpers. They help me get into concerts or games for less than what I would pay anywhere else. All you have to do is show up and talk to them right before the event starts and haggle them down. Be firm because they usually realize that with such little time before the show, you are the last resort. And on the flip side, I've sold tix to scalpers just to make some beer money so it all works out in the end.
If a scalper wants too much, I simply wait for another to come by. Maybe living on the East Coast gives me the luxury of being accustomed to a million scalpers at events...can't speak for how it is elsewhere.0
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