"Generation Me" warped by profound sense of entitlement
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PJ_Soul wrote:Brian, I have been working with these university student for a long time, and trust me, there is a BIG difference between Gen X and the Millenials as far as entitlement goes. Like night and day.
Yikes! How could that be! That calls for a "scratching my head" emoticon.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux wrote:First let me see if I've got this straight- the generations over the last 100 years are:
G.I generation
Baby Boomers
Generation X
Millennials (aka "Generation Me")
though I've also seen this graph:
2000/2001-Present - New Silent Generation or Generation Z
1980-2000 - Millennials or Generation Y
1965-1979 - Generation X
1946-1964 - Baby Boom
1925-1945 - Silent Generation
1900-1924 - G.I. Generation
http://www.socialmarketing.org/newslett ... ation3.htm
This site is interesting, It describes the generations back to the Depression era. As far Gen X and Y, your wife's daughter is a Y if she's only in her mid 20s. As a Gen Xer (1970), I can see that there's a huge difference between us and the Ys. Just my POV.
Oh, and I totally disregard what the guy in the link says about our music! It was and still is the best music! 0 -
Generation X
Born: 1966-1976
Coming of Age: 1988-1994
Age in 2004: 28 to 38
Current Population: 41 million
Sometimes referred to as the “lost” generation, this was the first generation of “latchkey” kids, exposed to lots of daycare and divorce. Known as the generation with the lowest voting participation rate of any generation, Gen Xers were quoted by Newsweek as “the generation that dropped out without ever turning on the news or tuning in to the social issues around them.”
Gen X is often characterized by high levels of skepticism, “what’s in it for me” attitudes and a reputation for some of the worst music to ever gain popularity. Now, moving into adulthood William Morrow (Generations) cited the childhood divorce of many Gen Xers as “one of the most decisive experiences influencing how Gen Xers will shape their own families”.
Gen Xers are arguably the best educated generation with 29% obtaining a bachelor’s degree or higher (6% higher than the previous cohort). And, with that education and a growing maturity they are starting to form families with a higher level of caution and pragmatism than their parents demonstrated. Concerns run high over avoiding broken homes, kids growing up without a parent around and financial planning.
Generation Y, Echo Boomers or Millenniums
Born: 1977-1994
Coming of Age: 1998-2006
Age in 2004: 10 to 22
Current Population: 71 million
The largest cohort since the Baby Boomers, their high numbers reflect their births as that of their parent generation..the last of the Boomer Is and most of the Boomer II s. Gen Y kids are known as incredibly sophisticated, technology wise, immune to most traditional marketing and sales pitches...as they not only grew up with it all, they’ve seen it all and been exposed to it all since early childhood.
Gen Y members are much more racially and ethnically diverse and they are much more segmented as an audience aided by the rapid expansion in Cable TV channels, satellite radio, the Internet, e-zines, etc.
Gen Y are less brand loyal and the speed of the Internet has led the cohort to be similarly flexible and changing in its fashion, style consciousness and where and how it is communicated with.
Gen Y kids often raised in dual income or single parent families have been more involved in family purchases...everything from groceries to new cars. One in nine Gen Yers has a credit card co-signed by a parent.0 -
Jeanwah wrote:
Oh, and I totally disregard what the guy in the link says about our music! It was and still is the best music!
Not that you can always tell from a picture, but that guy in that article doesn't exactly look like someone who would be into the kind of music most of us enjoy. These dudes on the other hand...
...totally rockin'!
(Sorry to post this pic twice, but I just love it. ) "It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux wrote:PJ_Soul wrote:Brian, I have been working with these university student for a long time, and trust me, there is a BIG difference between Gen X and the Millenials as far as entitlement goes. Like night and day.
Yikes! How could that be! That calls for a "scratching my head" emoticon.
I've thought a lot about that, and I think it might have to do with the loss of independence for children. Gen X could still play in the streets unsupervised, just be home before dark, etc. Gen M couldn't (for various dumb reasons, but boils down to a generation of parents making a collective well-intensioned mistake). And that fact lead to different relationships between kids and parents, and kids and the rest of the world. .... but that's just a theory.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
hedonist wrote:I see it more and more too (not just the young 'uns and definitely not all of the young 'uns). It's an attitude that comes from...their parents? So-called celebrities celebrated for nothing? More than that?
I think it typically starts with the parents - those who want to be their children's friends first - forget what they need, get them what they want, even if over the top or unaffordable. It sort of goes hand-in-hand with the overall lack of courtesy - of awareness that (gasp!) other people live in this world. Being kind and polite for its own sake, not for getting something in return.
Not trying to get something for nothing (which is usually of no value in the end, anyway).
Just a bit ago, I was on the elevator at home to come back to work. It stops, three young ladies, maybe late teens, get on. One's phone is blaring some crappyass song and they're talking to eachother LOUDLY. Wouldn't even move so I could get off the elevator.
By the same token, I've met some of that generation who kick ASS. Great, smart, thoughtful kids. Those are the ones who will do well, as they understand that most everyone starts at the bottom and WORKS their way up, pays their dues. Learns humbleness along the way, and the exhilaration of buying something they love on their own dime.
I agree. The problem with kids these days are the Parent.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
aerial wrote:hedonist wrote:I see it more and more too (not just the young 'uns and definitely not all of the young 'uns). It's an attitude that comes from...their parents? So-called celebrities celebrated for nothing? More than that?
I think it typically starts with the parents - those who want to be their children's friends first - forget what they need, get them what they want, even if over the top or unaffordable. It sort of goes hand-in-hand with the overall lack of courtesy - of awareness that (gasp!) other people live in this world. Being kind and polite for its own sake, not for getting something in return.
Not trying to get something for nothing (which is usually of no value in the end, anyway).
Just a bit ago, I was on the elevator at home to come back to work. It stops, three young ladies, maybe late teens, get on. One's phone is blaring some crappyass song and they're talking to eachother LOUDLY. Wouldn't even move so I could get off the elevator.
By the same token, I've met some of that generation who kick ASS. Great, smart, thoughtful kids. Those are the ones who will do well, as they understand that most everyone starts at the bottom and WORKS their way up, pays their dues. Learns humbleness along the way, and the exhilaration of buying something they love on their own dime.
I agree. The problem with kids these days are the Parent.
Which one?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Jason P wrote:
School test scores don't seem to indicate so.Go Beavers wrote:mikepegg44 wrote:Too Long didn't read
What is reading this thread going to do for me anyway :yawn:
I was at work one day, young kid, maybe 15 comes up to the desk I was at and complains that the wait is way too long, I asked him if he had to go to work, his exact response "man...jobs is fo fa**ots"...
I have no hope for this generation, but we can still change those kids in elementary school from becoming this.
Really, no hope? The younger generation is always better than the previous.
The National Assessment of Educational Progress long term assessment suggests improvements in most areas over time.
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PJ_Soul wrote:
I definitely think it's the parents. I work at a university. I have to suffer the consequences of all this bad parenting everyday, and it's starting to drive me crazy. :crazy: I mean, really?? You want to reschedule your exam because you want to go to a concert?? And SERIOUSLY?! You think you should have gotten an A for something that is almost incoherent?? Oh, you'd like to just not do your assignments and write your finals for 100% of your grade, and you're getting MAD that you're not allowed to?! :fp: Fuck me, dealing with these kids is making me scared for the future. :fp:hedonist wrote:I see it more and more too (not just the young 'uns and definitely not all of the young 'uns). It's an attitude that comes from...their parents? So-called celebrities celebrated for nothing? More than that?
I think it typically starts with the parents - those who want to be their children's friends first - forget what they need, get them what they want, even if over the top or unaffordable. It sort of goes hand-in-hand with the overall lack of courtesy - of awareness that (gasp!) other people live in this world. Being kind and polite for its own sake, not for getting something in return.
Not trying to get something for nothing (which is usually of no value in the end, anyway).
Just a bit ago, I was on the elevator at home to come back to work. It stops, three young ladies, maybe late teens, get on. One's phone is blaring some crappyass song and they're talking to eachother LOUDLY. Wouldn't even move so I could get off the elevator.
By the same token, I've met some of that generation who kick ASS. Great, smart, thoughtful kids. Those are the ones who will do well, as they understand that most everyone starts at the bottom and WORKS their way up, pays their dues. Learns humbleness along the way, and the exhilaration of buying something they love on their own dime.
PJ_Soul you might get a chuckle from an email I received from a first-year student last year...
"Hello Dave, I (name and student number...) will not be able to write the mid-term tomorrow because I will be on a plane to California. I live in California and I am heading home for march break, I did not think to look at the course outline when I bought the ticket I am sorry about that. "
I will give the young jedi credit for not asking to write it after the break. Sometimes I get pleasantly surprised and thus hopeful for the future, but in general I agree with your last sentence.0 -
bytterman wrote:PJ_Soul wrote:
I definitely think it's the parents. I work at a university. I have to suffer the consequences of all this bad parenting everyday, and it's starting to drive me crazy. :crazy: I mean, really?? You want to reschedule your exam because you want to go to a concert?? And SERIOUSLY?! You think you should have gotten an A for something that is almost incoherent?? Oh, you'd like to just not do your assignments and write your finals for 100% of your grade, and you're getting MAD that you're not allowed to?! :fp: Fuck me, dealing with these kids is making me scared for the future. :fp:hedonist wrote:I see it more and more too (not just the young 'uns and definitely not all of the young 'uns). It's an attitude that comes from...their parents? So-called celebrities celebrated for nothing? More than that?
I think it typically starts with the parents - those who want to be their children's friends first - forget what they need, get them what they want, even if over the top or unaffordable. It sort of goes hand-in-hand with the overall lack of courtesy - of awareness that (gasp!) other people live in this world. Being kind and polite for its own sake, not for getting something in return.
Not trying to get something for nothing (which is usually of no value in the end, anyway).
Just a bit ago, I was on the elevator at home to come back to work. It stops, three young ladies, maybe late teens, get on. One's phone is blaring some crappyass song and they're talking to eachother LOUDLY. Wouldn't even move so I could get off the elevator.
By the same token, I've met some of that generation who kick ASS. Great, smart, thoughtful kids. Those are the ones who will do well, as they understand that most everyone starts at the bottom and WORKS their way up, pays their dues. Learns humbleness along the way, and the exhilaration of buying something they love on their own dime.
PJ_Soul you might get a chuckle from an email I received from a first-year student last year...
"Hello Dave, I (name and student number...) will not be able to write the mid-term tomorrow because I will be on a plane to California. I live in California and I am heading home for march break, I did not think to look at the course outline when I bought the ticket I am sorry about that. "
I will give the young jedi credit for not asking to write it after the break. Sometimes I get pleasantly surprised and thus hopeful for the future, but in general I agree with your last sentence. Yeah! I give him props for not asking too! .... I can't understand how anyone can be in a course and not even have any idea of when an exam is though. Strange. I wonder if a lot of kids are just thinking of their education as a product - simply something you buy - and that's why they often seem so nonchalant about it all? .... school has become extremely expensive. One would think that would make them take it more seriously, but I actually think it might have the opposite effect. They feel entitled to that degree even withput worming for it because they (or their parents) are paying so much for it. With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul wrote:bytterman wrote:PJ_Soul wrote:I definitely think it's the parents. I work at a university. I have to suffer the consequences of all this bad parenting everyday, and it's starting to drive me crazy. :crazy: I mean, really?? You want to reschedule your exam because you want to go to a concert?? And SERIOUSLY?! You think you should have gotten an A for something that is almost incoherent?? Oh, you'd like to just not do your assignments and write your finals for 100% of your grade, and you're getting MAD that you're not allowed to?! :fp: Fuck me, dealing with these kids is making me scared for the future. :fp:
PJ_Soul you might get a chuckle from an email I received from a first-year student last year...
"Hello Dave, I (name and student number...) will not be able to write the mid-term tomorrow because I will be on a plane to California. I live in California and I am heading home for march break, I did not think to look at the course outline when I bought the ticket I am sorry about that. "
I will give the young jedi credit for not asking to write it after the break. Sometimes I get pleasantly surprised and thus hopeful for the future, but in general I agree with your last sentence. Yeah! I give him props for not asking too! .... I can't understand how anyone can be in a course and not even have any idea of when an exam is though. Strange. I wonder if a lot of kids are just thinking of their education as a product - simply something you buy - and that's why they often seem so nonchalant about it all? .... school has become extremely expensive. One would think that would make them take it more seriously, but I actually think it might have the opposite effect. They feel entitled to that degree even withput worming for it because they (or their parents) are paying so much for it.
I think that part of the problem is that when we get them they haven't failed during their education, because their parents won't stand for anything of the sort. Certainly the degree-as-commodity doesn't help, but I think the snowflake-syndrome is also at play. Not sure about your coast but out here the general student-ship skills are sad. It gets better in upper years but our first-years are very weak.0 -
Yeah, I haven't seen the stats too recently, but last I heard the flunk out rate in the first year is around 50%. :shock: And then so many of the 50% left struggle, some never graduating because it's work that they just don't want to handle and responsibility they just can't (or won't) manage.bytterman wrote:PJ_Soul wrote:bytterman wrote:
PJ_Soul you might get a chuckle from an email I received from a first-year student last year...
"Hello Dave, I (name and student number...) will not be able to write the mid-term tomorrow because I will be on a plane to California. I live in California and I am heading home for march break, I did not think to look at the course outline when I bought the ticket I am sorry about that. "
I will give the young jedi credit for not asking to write it after the break. Sometimes I get pleasantly surprised and thus hopeful for the future, but in general I agree with your last sentence. Yeah! I give him props for not asking too! .... I can't understand how anyone can be in a course and not even have any idea of when an exam is though. Strange. I wonder if a lot of kids are just thinking of their education as a product - simply something you buy - and that's why they often seem so nonchalant about it all? .... school has become extremely expensive. One would think that would make them take it more seriously, but I actually think it might have the opposite effect. They feel entitled to that degree even withput worming for it because they (or their parents) are paying so much for it.
I think that part of the problem is that when we get them they haven't failed during their education, because their parents won't stand for anything of the sort. Certainly the degree-as-commodity doesn't help, but I think the snowflake-syndrome is also at play. Not sure about your coast but out here the general student-ship skills are sad. It gets better in upper years but our first-years are very weak.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul wrote:
Yeah, I haven't seen the stats too recently, but last I heard the flunk out rate in the first year is around 50%. :shock: And then so many of the 50% left struggle, some never graduating because it's work that they just don't want to handle and responsibility they just can't (or won't) manage.bytterman wrote:
I think that part of the problem is that when we get them they haven't failed during their education, because their parents won't stand for anything of the sort. Certainly the degree-as-commodity doesn't help, but I think the snowflake-syndrome is also at play. Not sure about your coast but out here the general student-ship skills are sad. It gets better in upper years but our first-years are very weak.
56% get their bachelor's within 6 years. The main reason for dropping out is financial.
(this is really turning into a grouchy "kids these days" thread)0 -
Turning into? Did you see the thread title?Go Beavers wrote:PJ_Soul wrote:
Yeah, I haven't seen the stats too recently, but last I heard the flunk out rate in the first year is around 50%. :shock: And then so many of the 50% left struggle, some never graduating because it's work that they just don't want to handle and responsibility they just can't (or won't) manage.bytterman wrote:
I think that part of the problem is that when we get them they haven't failed during their education, because their parents won't stand for anything of the sort. Certainly the degree-as-commodity doesn't help, but I think the snowflake-syndrome is also at play. Not sure about your coast but out here the general student-ship skills are sad. It gets better in upper years but our first-years are very weak.
56% get their bachelor's within 6 years. The main reason for dropping out is financial.
(this is really turning into a grouchy "kids these days" thread)
Kids these days. :fp: Society's going to hell in a hand basket! :P
(No, but I a really don't think that's really the issue. I mean, we're talking about people in their late 20s too... and about a generation where they care known to actually bring their parents to their first day of work, and and attitudes really have slid, from someone who has been dealing with the same ages groups in the same place for a long time. There really is something different going on with this age group as far as a sense of entitlement goes, and I do personally see them screwing themselves over because of it, and that's not good..... Obviously, there are always great people.with great attitudes, no matter what fucked up generation they are from, so the world probably still has a chance. ) With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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