I definitely think it's the parents. I work at a university. I have to suffer the consequences of all this bad parenting everyday, and it's starting to drive me crazy. :crazy: I mean, really?? You want to reschedule your exam because you want to go to a concert?? And SERIOUSLY?! You think you should have gotten an A for something that is almost incoherent?? Oh, you'd like to just not do your assignments and write your finals for 100% of your grade, and you're getting MAD that you're not allowed to?! :fp: Fuck me, dealing with these kids is making me scared for the future. :fp:
PJ_Soul you might get a chuckle from an email I received from a first-year student last year...
"Hello Dave, I (name and student number...) will not be able to write the mid-term tomorrow because I will be on a plane to California. I live in California and I am heading home for march break, I did not think to look at the course outline when I bought the ticket I am sorry about that. "
I will give the young jedi credit for not asking to write it after the break. Sometimes I get pleasantly surprised and thus hopeful for the future, but in general I agree with your last sentence.
Yeah! I give him props for not asking too! .... I can't understand how anyone can be in a course and not even have any idea of when an exam is though. Strange. I wonder if a lot of kids are just thinking of their education as a product - simply something you buy - and that's why they often seem so nonchalant about it all? .... school has become extremely expensive. One would think that would make them take it more seriously, but I actually think it might have the opposite effect. They feel entitled to that degree even withput worming for it because they (or their parents) are paying so much for it.
I think that part of the problem is that when we get them they haven't failed during their education, because their parents won't stand for anything of the sort. Certainly the degree-as-commodity doesn't help, but I think the snowflake-syndrome is also at play. Not sure about your coast but out here the general student-ship skills are sad. It gets better in upper years but our first-years are very weak.
PJ_Soul you might get a chuckle from an email I received from a first-year student last year...
"Hello Dave, I (name and student number...) will not be able to write the mid-term tomorrow because I will be on a plane to California. I live in California and I am heading home for march break, I did not think to look at the course outline when I bought the ticket I am sorry about that. "
I will give the young jedi credit for not asking to write it after the break. Sometimes I get pleasantly surprised and thus hopeful for the future, but in general I agree with your last sentence.
Yeah! I give him props for not asking too! .... I can't understand how anyone can be in a course and not even have any idea of when an exam is though. Strange. I wonder if a lot of kids are just thinking of their education as a product - simply something you buy - and that's why they often seem so nonchalant about it all? .... school has become extremely expensive. One would think that would make them take it more seriously, but I actually think it might have the opposite effect. They feel entitled to that degree even withput worming for it because they (or their parents) are paying so much for it.
I think that part of the problem is that when we get them they haven't failed during their education, because their parents won't stand for anything of the sort. Certainly the degree-as-commodity doesn't help, but I think the snowflake-syndrome is also at play. Not sure about your coast but out here the general student-ship skills are sad. It gets better in upper years but our first-years are very weak.
Yeah, I haven't seen the stats too recently, but last I heard the flunk out rate in the first year is around 50%. :shock: And then so many of the 50% left struggle, some never graduating because it's work that they just don't want to handle and responsibility they just can't (or won't) manage.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think that part of the problem is that when we get them they haven't failed during their education, because their parents won't stand for anything of the sort. Certainly the degree-as-commodity doesn't help, but I think the snowflake-syndrome is also at play. Not sure about your coast but out here the general student-ship skills are sad. It gets better in upper years but our first-years are very weak.
Yeah, I haven't seen the stats too recently, but last I heard the flunk out rate in the first year is around 50%. :shock: And then so many of the 50% left struggle, some never graduating because it's work that they just don't want to handle and responsibility they just can't (or won't) manage.
56% get their bachelor's within 6 years. The main reason for dropping out is financial.
(this is really turning into a grouchy "kids these days" thread)
I think that part of the problem is that when we get them they haven't failed during their education, because their parents won't stand for anything of the sort. Certainly the degree-as-commodity doesn't help, but I think the snowflake-syndrome is also at play. Not sure about your coast but out here the general student-ship skills are sad. It gets better in upper years but our first-years are very weak.
Yeah, I haven't seen the stats too recently, but last I heard the flunk out rate in the first year is around 50%. :shock: And then so many of the 50% left struggle, some never graduating because it's work that they just don't want to handle and responsibility they just can't (or won't) manage.
56% get their bachelor's within 6 years. The main reason for dropping out is financial.
(this is really turning into a grouchy "kids these days" thread)
Turning into? Did you see the thread title?
Kids these days. :fp: Society's going to hell in a hand basket! :P
(No, but I a really don't think that's really the issue. I mean, we're talking about people in their late 20s too... and about a generation where they care known to actually bring their parents to their first day of work, and and attitudes really have slid, from someone who has been dealing with the same ages groups in the same place for a long time. There really is something different going on with this age group as far as a sense of entitlement goes, and I do personally see them screwing themselves over because of it, and that's not good..... Obviously, there are always great people.with great attitudes, no matter what fucked up generation they are from, so the world probably still has a chance. )
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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I think that part of the problem is that when we get them they haven't failed during their education, because their parents won't stand for anything of the sort. Certainly the degree-as-commodity doesn't help, but I think the snowflake-syndrome is also at play. Not sure about your coast but out here the general student-ship skills are sad. It gets better in upper years but our first-years are very weak.
56% get their bachelor's within 6 years. The main reason for dropping out is financial.
(this is really turning into a grouchy "kids these days" thread)
Kids these days. :fp: Society's going to hell in a hand basket! :P
(No, but I a really don't think that's really the issue. I mean, we're talking about people in their late 20s too... and about a generation where they care known to actually bring their parents to their first day of work, and and attitudes really have slid, from someone who has been dealing with the same ages groups in the same place for a long time. There really is something different going on with this age group as far as a sense of entitlement goes, and I do personally see them screwing themselves over because of it, and that's not good..... Obviously, there are always great people.with great attitudes, no matter what fucked up generation they are from, so the world probably still has a chance.