Maybe there's hope - 19 y.o. fights teaching creationism

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Personally I don;t have a problem with schools teaching that religions have other theories. It's all about learning and deciding for yourself. The problem is most people only want kids taught the stuff that they believe in, so the kids don;t get to learn and make up their own minds, they get brainwashed.

it's the whole separation of church and state thing ... it's ok to teach religion ... as you probably know - i am fairly anti-religion ... however, i consider myself agnostic and i do think the catholic church should be destroyed ...

having said that - i believe all faiths should have equal opportunity in a PUBLIC education system ... i don't think tho that non-science related things like creationism should be taught in science classes ...

this is strictly the religious right in america trying to indoctrinate a faith any which way they can ... go ahead and tout intelligent design at church or in religion class but don't try to pawn it off as science ...

Yeah, I'm close to what you are saying. I'm not saying teach creationism...but simply mention it's existence.

cincybearcat wrote:

Yeah, I'm close to what you are saying. I'm not saying teach creationism...but simply mention it's existence.

thing is - if it's a science class ... mentioning creationism should theoretically result in the deconstruction of the theory ... saying there is an "alternate theory" is misleading because there is no science tied into that belief ... you'd have to have some scientific basis for it ...

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Yeah, I'm close to what you are saying. I'm not saying teach creationism...but simply mention it's existence.

thing is - if it's a science class ... mentioning creationism should theoretically result in the deconstruction of the theory ... saying there is an "alternate theory" is misleading because there is no science tied into that belief ... you'd have to have some scientific basis for it ...

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That's how i feel...
I have absolutely no problem with Creationism used as a reference in a class titled 'Theology'. And i don't have a problem with the Bible being read in classrooms under the heading of 'Literature'. But, to try to extract Creationism from Biblical Text and try to pass it off as Science is the same thing as trying to pass off 'A Tale of Two Cities' as Math or 'The Cat In The Hat' as History.
I don't think there is anything wrong if public schools taught about all religions and adhere their Holy Texts to each religion. But, leave religion and their texts in the realm of Theology, where it belongs, not in the field of Science, where it makes no sense.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

If we are expected to teach "Creationism" in science class, we should also teach evolution in Sunday school.

OR...

How's this...

We teach kids that

And then we teach them that God says "1 + 1 = 3."

Give kids all the information and let them decide for themselves.

OR maybe people who can't understand science and math should keep their idiot Christian selves out of science and math class. :fp:

How's that?

does that work for y'all?

You have a gift. A gift of making people that tend to agree with you pissed off at you.

it's really very simple, science; teach evolution. IF you want your kid to learn creationism there is Sunday School or send them to a religious school where I'm sure RE will cover it.... I would know for sure because I was regularly ejected from those classes but it seems like something they would have covered

Actually this whole teaching creationsim thing (can they do that at a public school!?) reminds me of something I saw on facebook not long ago:

Religion is like a penis;
It's okay to have one
It's okay to be proud of it
But do not take it out in public,
do not push it on children
do not write laws with it
and do not think with it

Jeanwah wrote:

brianlux wrote:

From now on, if someone I'm talking to gets upset about the concept of evolution I'll tell them, "Get over it, you could have been a fury beast."

Someone should use that line in a song. You know, something like "You are, you are, a fury beast."

http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03 ... hpt=hp_bn1

Yeah, but didn't we come from the sea, rather than apes? I'm torn on both theories.

Is this a serious question?