Maybe there's hope - 19 y.o. fights teaching creationism

PJ_Soul
PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
edited March 2013 in A Moving Train
Glad to see the younger generation has at least one person who really gives enough of a shit to actually try and do something. :thumbup:

http://www.upworthy.com/the-19-year-old ... ney?c=upw1
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    america is becoming more and more extremist ... the stats are staggering ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    polaris_x wrote:
    america is becoming more and more extremist ... the stats are staggering ...
    Yeah, it's bizarre. I don't understand it. I guess it's about uncreative people seeking more control over everything. Literally. That is pathetic IMO. I'm just glad that there are people actually willing to take action against it. I hope it works. The fundamentalism in the US scares the shit out of me.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    I swear the host of that show, the man interviewing the young man, used to have a Sunday Christian show :) guess I am just being racist against old white people.. sorry
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Yeah, it's bizarre. I don't understand it. I guess it's about uncreative people seeking more control over everything. Literally. That is pathetic IMO. I'm just glad that there are people actually willing to take action against it. I hope it works. The fundamentalism in the US scares the shit out of me.

    the thing with indoctrinated people ... is that they are easily manipulated ... ultimately, it allows america to be the way it is ... a place where corporations rule the roost ...
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited March 2013
    Abuskedti wrote:
    I swear the host of that show, the man interviewing the young man, used to have a Sunday Christian show :) guess I am just being racist against old white people.. sorry

    Bill Moyers?! :lol: Far from it!

    That kid should be a hero. Well spoken, mature, has guts.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Abuskedti wrote:
    I swear the host of that show, the man interviewing the young man, used to have a Sunday Christian show :) guess I am just being racist against old white people.. sorry
    ...
    Actually, That is Bill Moyers, a trusted journalist.
    But, I can see how easily he can be confused with those T.V. Evangalists. I think it is the cheap studio backdrop.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I watched this show when it broadcast.
    for further insight into the Discovery Institute and its 'Wedge Strategy' to inject Creationism (disguised as science in 'Intelligent Design'), watch the NOVA program called, 'Judgement Day: Intelligent Design on Trial' ( http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/ ... trial.html ).
    It discusses the 2005 landmark case in Dover, PA. The verdict was that Intelligent Design is just a re-packaged version of Creationism, backed and funded by the Discovery Institute. A violation of the seperation between Church and State.
    You may remember this case... it was the one where Pat Robertson said, "I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city."
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    But what about the people that do believe in God? Can they opt out of the evolution class? If so I guess it would be fine, if not it would be indoctrination anyway.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    aerial wrote:
    But what about the people that do believe in God? Can they opt out of the evolution class? If so I guess it would be fine, if not it would be indoctrination anyway.
    This is not about "people who believe in God." But for those who refuse evolution and all science related to it, they should be going to a religious school that teaches that nonsense. Teaching evolution is NOT indoctrination. You're acting as though evolution and creationism are on equal footing. They're not. There is NO reason for government or schools to act as though they are.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • javis el errante
    javis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,144
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Glad to see the younger generation has at least one person who really gives enough of a shit to actually try and do something. :thumbup:

    http://www.upworthy.com/the-19-year-old ... ney?c=upw1

    With that titled, I knew this was from Upworthy...

    Check this great video... The most hilarious attack on science!

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-o ... -it-up-to-
    ... I am not in the business of being liked anymore ...

  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    aerial wrote:
    But what about the people that do believe in God? Can they opt out of the evolution class? If so I guess it would be fine, if not it would be indoctrination anyway.

    OH. Please.

    If you do "believe in god," that's frankly not an excuse to teach fairy tales as fact to your kids.

    No. Sorry, I draw the line at silly superstitions and made up superhero zombie stories being used as an excuse to cut class and not learn something. Creationism is not science. It's just people too dumb to understand biology saying "No... god made it." That's all and nothing more.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Where do people live who don't believe evolution should be taught? I'm not sure I want to go there.

    evolution is such a major part of science and nature leaving evolution out of a science class would be like having your english teacher walk in and say we're going to learn about sentence structure and grammar in this class but we won't be using any punctuation as there is no such thing

    True, James Joyce tried it once... but only for one chapter... thankfully! :lol:
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    I am a strong believer in God and believe he created the universe.

    That being said, I believe in evolution. It's impossible to truly deny that species have evolved over time.

    There sure are some extremely close-minded, arrogant individuals on both sides of the fence.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • mysticweed
    mysticweed Posts: 3,710
    know1 wrote:
    I am a strong believer in God and believe he created the universe.

    That being said, I believe in evolution. It's impossible to truly deny that species have evolved over time.

    There sure are some extremely close-minded, arrogant individuals on both sides of the fence.

    i feel the same
    sort of
    maybe not the terms "god" and "he"
    and i believe there are billions of other universes all in various stages of their evolution
    a la creation via evolution
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
    aerial wrote:
    But what about the people that do believe in God? Can they opt out of the evolution class? If so I guess it would be fine, if not it would be indoctrination anyway.

    You can believe in god and not believe in creationism. The 2 are not exclusive

    You know that when god created man she was just kidding :lol:
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    I just don't understand this. Creationism and intelligent design are not scientific theories while evolution IS. Why would (public) schools teach creationism in a science class? Teaching that god created the earth or that an "intelligent designer" created is the purview of religious institutions.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    know1 wrote:
    That being said, I believe in evolution. It's impossible to truly deny that species have evolved over time.

    There sure are some extremely close-minded, arrogant individuals on both sides of the fence.
    Faith and reason...how 'bout that?

    Agree with you on the fence comment.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    riotgrl wrote:
    I just don't understand this. Creationism and intelligent design are not scientific theories while evolution IS. Why would (public) schools teach creationism in a science class? Teaching that god created the earth or that an "intelligent designer" created is the purview of religious institutions.

    Personally I don;t have a problem with schools teaching that religions have other theories. It's all about learning and deciding for yourself. The problem is most people only want kids taught the stuff that they believe in, so the kids don;t get to learn and make up their own minds, they get brainwashed.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Personally I don;t have a problem with schools teaching that religions have other theories. It's all about learning and deciding for yourself. The problem is most people only want kids taught the stuff that they believe in, so the kids don;t get to learn and make up their own minds, they get brainwashed.

    it's the whole separation of church and state thing ... it's ok to teach religion ... as you probably know - i am fairly anti-religion ... however, i consider myself agnostic and i do think the catholic church should be destroyed ... :lol:

    having said that - i believe all faiths should have equal opportunity in a PUBLIC education system ... i don't think tho that non-science related things like creationism should be taught in science classes ...

    this is strictly the religious right in america trying to indoctrinate a faith any which way they can ... go ahead and tout intelligent design at church or in religion class but don't try to pawn it off as science ...
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    cincybearcat wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    I just don't understand this. Creationism and intelligent design are not scientific theories while evolution IS. Why would (public) schools teach creationism in a science class? Teaching that god created the earth or that an "intelligent designer" created is the purview of religious institutions.

    Personally I don;t have a problem with schools teaching that religions have other theories. It's all about learning and deciding for yourself. The problem is most people only want kids taught the stuff that they believe in, so the kids don;t get to learn and make up their own minds, they get brainwashed.

    Teaching religion in a world history class or geography class when teaching culture is where it makes most sense (to me at least as I teach a great deal about religion in my classes). I don't believe it has a place in science class as a legitimate theory.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE

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