French Mother On Trial for 9/11 Shirt on Preschool Kid

PJ_Soul
PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,042
edited March 2013 in A Moving Train
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21697037

:?
They named him Jihad?? :fp:

Thoughts?

They should not be in court, and should not have been charged. But holy shit, what a bunch of weirdos. Really? She put no thought into putting an "I'm a bomb" shirt/"My name is Jihad, My birthday is 9/11" shirt on her kid? I don't think so.
Knowing the French, she's not going to get along so well in France anymore.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21697037

    :?
    They named him Jihad?? :fp:

    Thoughts?

    They should not be in court, and should not have been charged. But holy shit, what a bunch of weirdos. Really? She put no thought into putting an "I'm a bomb" shirt/"My name is Jihad, My birthday is 9/11" shirt on her kid? I don't think so.
    Knowing the French, she's not going to get along so well in France anymore.
    ...
    Do they sell those t-shirts at the 'Kids 'R Us'?... er... le 'Infantes 'R Us'.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,437
    The words trebuchet and volcano pit come to mind ...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,042
    edited March 2013
    Cosmo wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21697037

    :?
    They named him Jihad?? :fp:

    Thoughts?

    They should not be in court, and should not have been charged. But holy shit, what a bunch of weirdos. Really? She put no thought into putting an "I'm a bomb" shirt/"My name is Jihad, My birthday is 9/11" shirt on her kid? I don't think so.
    Knowing the French, she's not going to get along so well in France anymore.
    ...
    Do they sell those t-shirts at the 'Kids 'R Us'?... er... le 'Infantes 'R Us'.
    I don't know... I wonder if they sell "I Love Hitler/My birthday is April 20th too" shirts as well? Because that is my birthday, I've always really wanted to flaunt that I share it with Hitler. :fp:
    The uncle who had the shirt made is a FUCKING IDIOT.
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    ...
    Do they sell those t-shirts at the 'Kids 'R Us'?... er... le 'Infantes 'R Us'.
    I don't know... I wonder if they sell "I Love Hitler/My birthday is April 20th" shirts too? Because that is my birthday, I've always really wanted to flaunt that I share it with Hitler. :fp:[/quote]

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,042
    BinauralJam wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    ...
    Do they sell those t-shirts at the 'Kids 'R Us'?... er... le 'Infantes 'R Us'.
    I don't know... I wonder if they sell "I Love Hitler/My birthday is April 20th" shirts too? Because that is my birthday, I've always really wanted to flaunt that I share it with Hitler. :fp:

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    Ha! Yeah... God, I'm always so high on my bday. :fp: :lol:
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  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    She should've gone with this one

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jihad?

    Good god.

    And here I thought the person who named their kid "Hashtag" was a blooming idiot.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    hedonist wrote:
    Jihad?

    Good god.

    And here I thought the person who named their kid "Hashtag" was a blooming idiot.
    ...
    I remember reading an article in the run up to the war in Iraq that the most popular name for male children in Pakistan after 11 September 2001 was 'Usama'. Yeah, the same Pakistan we chose as our 'ally' on the 'War On Terrrrrr'.
    ...
    as for 'Jihad'.. i work with a guy named 'Jihad'... a very nice guy. The name has several meanings, the one we know from watching T.V. (Holy War against Infidels... where Infidels meaning anyone who goes agaist the word of God... and yesm the same God of the Hebrews) and a second meaning, any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle.
    Of course, there is the spirit of the naming.... the Jihad I know was born in the 1950s... this kid was this decade. It think the place in time falls into play... but, yeah, not the smartest move by the parents. Just name the fucking kid 'Cody'.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,042
    Cosmo wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Jihad?

    Good god.

    And here I thought the person who named their kid "Hashtag" was a blooming idiot.
    ...
    I remember reading an article in the run up to the war in Iraq that the most popular name for male children in Pakistan after 11 September 2001 was 'Usama'. Yeah, the same Pakistan we chose as our 'ally' on the 'War On Terrrrrr'.
    ...
    as for 'Jihad'.. i work with a guy named 'Jihad'... a very nice guy. The name has several meanings, the one we know from watching T.V. (Holy War against Infidels... where Infidels meaning anyone who goes agaist the word of God... and yesm the same God of the Hebrews) and a second meaning, any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle.
    Of course, there is the spirit of the naming.... the Jihad I know was born in the 1950s... this kid was this decade. It think the place in time falls into play... but, yeah, not the smartest move by the parents. Just name the fucking kid 'Cody'.
    Putting a sign on him that says he's a bomb and then with his name and 9/11 on the back doesn't exactly settle my mind about the family's intentions either. :lol:
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Putting a sign on him that says he's a bomb and then with his name and 9/11 on the back doesn't exactly settle my mind about the family's intentions either. :lol:
    ...
    Yeah... that was a clue, wasn't it?
    ...
    I feel bad for the kid... because the kid doesn't fucking know what it means.
    ...
    Like, it's funny when you see someone wearing a shirt that can't read what it says... like, you know, the Mexcan guy wearing a shirt that says, 'Little Princess' on it.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,042
    Cosmo wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Putting a sign on him that says he's a bomb and then with his name and 9/11 on the back doesn't exactly settle my mind about the family's intentions either. :lol:
    ...
    Yeah... that was a clue, wasn't it?
    ...
    I feel bad for the kid... because the kid doesn't fucking know what it means.
    ...
    Like, it's funny when you see someone wearing a shirt that can't read what it says... like, you know, the Mexcan guy wearing a shirt that says, 'Little Princess' on it.
    :lol:

    Yes, I feel terrible for the kid. His parents have actually probably really fucked up his time at his preschool at the very least. He will likely be quite the enigma at any school he goes to now for the foreseeable future, and parents won't want their kids playing with him, etc etc. What a dumb bitch that mom is.
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  • Vitalogensia
    Vitalogensia Posts: 2,271
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    She should've gone with this one

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    :lol::lol::lol:
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,437
    You know, I'm starting to think that Iceland's policy of choosing a baby name from an approved list maybe isn't looking so bad at this point in time.

    :fp:
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Cosmo wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Putting a sign on him that says he's a bomb and then with his name and 9/11 on the back doesn't exactly settle my mind about the family's intentions either. :lol:
    ...
    Yeah... that was a clue, wasn't it?
    ...
    I feel bad for the kid... because the kid doesn't fucking know what it means.
    ...
    Like, it's funny when you see someone wearing a shirt that can't read what it says... like, you know, the Mexcan guy wearing a shirt that says, 'Little Princess' on it.
    Or can't even READ yet.

    (Oedipus, I'm lookin at you :mrgreen: )

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    About the name itself, true. Context is important - big difference between choosing the name 60 years ago vs. endowing it on your kid who was born on a...sadly infamous...day.
  • your move now
    your move now Posts: 1,165
    whilst it's obviously offensive, in poor taste, etc, it remains that they have the right (or they ought to according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights) to name, dress and say whatever/however they wish, isn't freedom and human rights the whole point?
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,042
    I actually know a Muslim guy who was born on 9/11 (in the 70s or early 80s), and he was PISSED when 9/11 happened (i mean, aside from the main reason him and anyone was pissed). It's tainted his bday forever. He sure as hell wouldn't advertise it on a fucking shirt.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,042
    your move now wrote:
    whilst it's obviously offensive, in poor taste, etc, it remains that they have the right (or they ought to according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights) to name, dress and say whatever/however they wish, isn't freedom and human rights the whole point?
    That's not really how it works in France.... although she might win in the end, it's certainly not a given there.
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  • your move now
    your move now Posts: 1,165
    And I understand that but nevertheless International Law trumps domestic and surely she could take it to the European Commission on Human Rights if need be. My point was less that she will get off and more that her arrest is completely illegal
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,042
    your move now wrote:
    And I understand that but nevertheless International Law trumps domestic and surely she could take it to the European Commission on Human Rights if need be. My point was less that she will get off and more that her arrest is completely illegal
    I am not a lawyer, but I'm not under the impression that it quite works that way with these kinds of cases.
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  • Hub.
    Hub. Posts: 1,991
    The story's not new. We got it on the news a few months ago.

    To me, this family knew exactly what they were doing. It was provocation, if not (and I don't think so), they're just "Joe Sixpacks"
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