Super deluxe box sets ?
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ewokpelts wrote:Metallica has been out for 30 years. and most of the members are the same age as pj.
YET, they tour every year, ESPECIALLY in the summer. granted most of that is outside the states, but they are out there.
and when they do a big us tour, they take frequent mini-breaks to be with their families and not kill each other on the road. the death magnetic tour was from 2008-2010, but they spaced it out to enjoy the tour.
yes, they do tour a lot. but they also are a giant money making machine, like the metal version of Kiss. plus their albums are spaced out further than PJ's are. Between Black Album and Load/Reload was 5 and 6 years. Between Reload and St Anger was 6 years. St Anger and Death Magnetic was another 5. Death Magnetic was in 2008. Their new album doesn't come out until at LEAST 2014 Lars said recently.
and either way, that's one other band. it's not the norm. and I wouldn't expect it to be.Gimli 1993
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Lament wrote:Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:easy big fella. just having a discussion here.
I never said I knew any more than anyone else. I don't. I'm just saying that judging from what each individual member has said regarding any host of topics, you can't believe it until it actually happens.
and actually, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong here) that Stone's statement from April 2012 precedes Jeff's statement of being done with the reissues for a long time.
I apologize if I came off as nasty, as that was not my intent. My point was just that a statement from a band member (regardless of how accurate they've been in the past) is still the most definitive thing we have to go on (even when we can all agree it's nowhere near as definitive as anyone would like). For some reason I thought Jeff's comments were from 2011 (in the aftermath of PJ20), but if they were in fact more recent than Stone's, then I would agree that right now that would be what the "word" on the reissues is until someone from within the organization says otherwise.
I know, I just think it's important to put these things in context. I wasn't disputing what Stone or anyone in the band said, I was just saying "this is what has happened in the past with things they have said", so to take it all with a grain. that's all.Gimli 1993
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and pearl jam ISNT a money making machine?Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:ewokpelts wrote:Metallica has been out for 30 years. and most of the members are the same age as pj.
YET, they tour every year, ESPECIALLY in the summer. granted most of that is outside the states, but they are out there.
and when they do a big us tour, they take frequent mini-breaks to be with their families and not kill each other on the road. the death magnetic tour was from 2008-2010, but they spaced it out to enjoy the tour.
yes, they do tour a lot. but they also are a giant money making machine, like the metal version of Kiss. plus their albums are spaced out further than PJ's are. Between Black Album and Load/Reload was 5 and 6 years. Between Reload and St Anger was 6 years. St Anger and Death Magnetic was another 5. Death Magnetic was in 2008. Their new album doesn't come out until at LEAST 2014 Lars said recently.
and either way, that's one other band. it's not the norm. and I wouldn't expect it to be.0 -
ewokpelts wrote:and pearl jam ISNT a money making machine?
not even close to the likes of Metallica.Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
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A rusty sign wrote:Any word on the next instalment of the super deluxe box sets ?
No "official" word yet. I just hope Jeff & Ed working on the next one will include a DVD / Blu-ray for the No Code / Yield box set.0 -
Sure, we all want a new album.....but I think we all could go for a super deluxe No Code/Yield box set to go with the rest of the collection. :P
Highly anticipating that bad boy. Any guesses as to what show from that era they would include in the set?Bristow, VA - 5.13.10
East Troy, WI - 9.3.11
East Troy, WI - 9.4.11
Atlanta, GA - 9.22.12
Las Vegas, NV - 10.31.12 (EV)
Las Vegas, NV - 11.1.12 (EV)
Chicago, IL - 7.19.13
Dallas, TX - 11.15.13
Oklahoma City, OK - 11.16.13
Seattle, WA - 12.6.13
Lincoln, NE - 10.9.14
Moline, IL - 10.17.14
St. Paul, MN - 10.19.14
Milwaukee, WI - 10.20.14
New York, NY - 5.1.16
New York, NY - 5.2.16
Boston, MA - 8.5.16
Boston, MA - 8.7.16
Chicago, IL - 8.20.160 -
Why not organize ouselves in some kind of workgroups and try to get to them so we can present "the project"?
And for project we all can understand that may be something similar to what NIN fans did with This One Is From Us material...
I'll be glad to be a part of that collective workforce
Just a thought...Once
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I'm looking forward to the next installment, although it seems sales of the last one was lower than expected, so I have a feeling it will never come out or we may have to wait a while.
I hope I am wrong!0 -
Red Lukin wrote:I'm looking forward to the next installment, although it seems sales of the last one was lower than expected, so I have a feeling it will never come out or we may have to wait a while.
I hope I am wrong!
+1.
I hope the band/ten club looks at the reasons why.
The ten boxset had a few things in its favor. Ten was mixed in an odd way and a remaster was a big benefit. The first three PJ albums were the easiest to find on Vinyl before they were re-released. In this case you need to give people a reason to rebuy the vinyl. There was much less of a reason for Vs./Vitalogy, because they were plenty of copies of the originals. The extra songs on the Vs/Vitalogy set were meh, and it didn't come with a DVD
(the unreleased 1995 home video would of been a no brainer).
In conclusion I would hope the band realizes that its the albums starting with No Code that have some serious pent up vinyl demand. They came out when Vinyl was very unpopular and people are itching not to pay 150-200 for copies. Even though Vs/Vitalogy were more popular albums, I think the demand for a No Code/Yield Box set would be bigger.
It's too bad the low sales of the Vs/Vitalogy sets seems to have derailed the whole thing. I don't think the band quite got why.0 -
Still waiting for these gems... if it is put off for awhile, how about a no code/yield re-release on vinyl while we wait?
Hamilton 9-13-05; Toronto 5-9-06, Toronto 8-21-09, Toronto 9-12-11, Hamilton 9-15-11....0 -
Nami wrote:Still waiting for these gems... if it is put off for awhile, how about a no code/yield re-release on vinyl while we wait?
It's probably a business move. One of the reasons the VS/Vitalogy set didn't sell well was because there was an ample supply of those albums already.
If they put out Yield/No Code on vinyl early, it would reduce demand for the boxset (only so many people would be willing to double dip, and the boxset would have to damned impressive to get people to even consider double dipping).
Say it costs $70 to buy both albums on Vinyl and the deluxe set is 150. If they both come out at release you might by the deluxe set for the extra 80. If the put out the vinyl and the boxset doesn't come out for a few years. Would you pay $150 to buy the vinyl a 2nd (or for some people a 3rd) time.
It sort of makes sense... They'd have to try harder on the next box set then they did on the last one
On the flipside, I thought it was pretty cool when the Foo Fighters rereleased their whole catalog on vinyl at inexpensive prices.0 -
Zod wrote:Nami wrote:Still waiting for these gems... if it is put off for awhile, how about a no code/yield re-release on vinyl while we wait?
It's probably a business move. One of the reasons the VS/Vitalogy set didn't sell well was because there was an ample supply of those albums already.
If they put out Yield/No Code on vinyl early, it would reduce demand for the boxset (only so many people would be willing to double dip, and the boxset would have to damned impressive to get people to even consider double dipping).
Say it costs $70 to buy both albums on Vinyl and the deluxe set is 150. If they both come out at release you might by the deluxe set for the extra 80. If the put out the vinyl and the boxset doesn't come out for a few years. Would you pay $150 to buy the vinyl a 2nd (or for some people a 3rd) time.
It sort of makes sense... They'd have to try harder on the next box set then they did on the last one
On the flipside, I thought it was pretty cool when the Foo Fighters rereleased their whole catalog on vinyl at inexpensive prices.
Valid points. My intention was to buy both... I did buy the first two deluxe sets so they have a future customer regardless. As for now i would love to hear those two on vinyl.Hamilton 9-13-05; Toronto 5-9-06, Toronto 8-21-09, Toronto 9-12-11, Hamilton 9-15-11....0 -
Nami wrote:Valid points. My intention was to buy both... I did buy the first two deluxe sets so they have a future customer regardless. As for now i would love to hear those two on vinyl.
I did as well (well I owned Original Pressings and bought the boxsets).
I think they either have to ramp up what they include in the boxsets or maybe give up, and put out the vinyls on their own. Theoretically a lot of us ended up buying the Vs./Vitalogy set for the sole purpose of acquiring the live vinyl That made it a very expensive live vinyl. 0 -
Zod wrote:Nami wrote:Still waiting for these gems... if it is put off for awhile, how about a no code/yield re-release on vinyl while we wait?
It's probably a business move. One of the reasons the VS/Vitalogy set didn't sell well was because there was an ample supply of those albums already.
If they put out Yield/No Code on vinyl early, it would reduce demand for the boxset (only so many people would be willing to double dip, and the boxset would have to damned impressive to get people to even consider double dipping).
Say it costs $70 to buy both albums on Vinyl and the deluxe set is 150. If they both come out at release you might by the deluxe set for the extra 80. If the put out the vinyl and the boxset doesn't come out for a few years. Would you pay $150 to buy the vinyl a 2nd (or for some people a 3rd) time.
It sort of makes sense... They'd have to try harder on the next box set then they did on the last one
On the flipside, I thought it was pretty cool when the Foo Fighters rereleased their whole catalog on vinyl at inexpensive prices.
do we really know that the vs/vitalogy sets didn't sell well, or is that just conjecture? As far as I know, they were just sold here. And if vs/vitalogy didn't sell well because of a supposed abundance of vinyl for those already existing, how does that explain the supposed great sales of ten, which had far more vinyl in the market?
I am under the assumption that the whole reissue thing is all Sony's doing, and the band said that rather than have reissues that they hate released into the marketplace (like radiohead), they would get involved themselves. Sony and the band announced that they were doing these for all the sony albums, which would make Riot Act the last album to get the treatment. Since we are all guessing at randomness here, I would say next year we get a no code/yield set with monkeywrench radio and/or an aussie 98 show in addition to outtakes, b-sides, etc.6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/160 -
based on leftover stock and reduced prices I assume there are plenty left.
and i hope they dont stop at riot act.... Hamilton 9-13-05; Toronto 5-9-06, Toronto 8-21-09, Toronto 9-12-11, Hamilton 9-15-11....0 -
When pearl jam was still a priority at epic, the vinyl copies of no code through riot act were kept in print a long while.Zod wrote:Red Lukin wrote:I'm looking forward to the next installment, although it seems sales of the last one was lower than expected, so I have a feeling it will never come out or we may have to wait a while.
I hope I am wrong!
+1.
I hope the band/ten club looks at the reasons why.
The ten boxset had a few things in its favor. Ten was mixed in an odd way and a remaster was a big benefit. The first three PJ albums were the easiest to find on Vinyl before they were re-released. In this case you need to give people a reason to rebuy the vinyl. There was much less of a reason for Vs./Vitalogy, because they were plenty of copies of the originals. The extra songs on the Vs/Vitalogy set were meh, and it didn't come with a DVD (the unreleased 1995 home video would of been a no brainer).
In conclusion I would hope the band realizes that its the albums starting with No Code that have some serious pent up vinyl demand. They came out when Vinyl was very unpopular and people are itching not to pay 150-200 for copies. Even though Vs/Vitalogy were more popular albums, I think the demand for a No Code/Yield Box set would be bigger.
It's too bad the low sales of the Vs/Vitalogy sets seems to have derailed the whole thing. I don't think the band quite got why.
but as pj sales overall cooled, epic let them go out of print. and then sony music merged with bmg, and pj left epic.0 -
Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:ewokpelts wrote:and pearl jam ISNT a money making machine?
not even close to the likes of Metallica.
Even though I do not understand the relevancy to the discussion at hand;
A google search gives james hetfield net worth as 175 mln usd while for eddie vedder, it is only 80 mln.What's your part, who you are?
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metallica own ALL their albums. AND, when they re-upped with warner music in 1994, they got a 65 million dollar contract. No one gets those deals anymore.jumbojet wrote:Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:ewokpelts wrote:and pearl jam ISNT a money making machine?
not even close to the likes of Metallica.
Even though I do not understand the relevancy to the discussion at hand;
A google search gives james hetfield net worth as 175 mln usd while for eddie vedder, it is only 80 mln.
Also, metallica run their business a lot differently than pearl jam, even though they are at similar points in age/life/career.....0 -
those Australia 1998 videos are sure a tease.0
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need a super deluxe "bootleg" box for 2011 and 2012!!!!!
:fp: :fp:I Know All The Rules But The Rules Do Not Know Me.0
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