Super deluxe box sets ?

Hugh Freaking Dillon · February 2013

William Wallace wrote:

TRobinson wrote:

I heard they are all set with those for awhile....after PJ20 they want to focus on the present/future for a while, which means more shows and music for us!!!!!

Sad that reality proves the opposite...

they've all released tonnes of new music.........

RatsTJRats · February 2013

William Wallace wrote:

TRobinson wrote:

I heard they are all set with those for awhile....after PJ20 they want to focus on the present/future for a while, which means more shows and music for us!!!!!

Sad that reality proves the opposite...

Except for the wrigley and london shows, fall tour being announced soon, new album in the fall....your right though, in reality they are just sitting on their asses doing nothing

The Oracle · February 2013

IMHO I think the band are savvy enough to realise there is enough product out there, legal or otherwise, to satisfy the vast majority of fans. Especially so considering the not too great economic times for many around the world.

Lament · February 2013

Stone explicitly said there would be more, but that there was no timetable whatsoever as to when they would come out...

http://grungereport.net/?p=11697

Hugh Freaking Dillon · February 2013

Lament wrote:

Stone explicitly said there would be more, but that there was no timetable whatsoever as to when they would come out...

http://grungereport.net/?p=11697

that doesn't really matter. each member has explicitly stated something would happen at some point that hasn't come to fruition.

William Wallace · February 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

they've all released tonnes of new music.........

I'm a Pearl Jam fan, so I'm talking about Pearl Jam music.
Brad, RNDM, Uke-Vedder or whatever else are all nice things, but they are not Pearl Jam.
Lately, it looks like Pearl Jam isn't the main priority for most of the guys anymore.
Not judging, just observing.
Look at the times in between albums:
It'll be more than 4 years in between the last album and the next one.
They did 3 albums during this period when they all focused on this band in the 90s.

TRobinson wrote:

Except for the wrigley and london shows, fall tour being announced soon, new album in the fall....your right though, in reality they are just sitting on their asses doing nothing

Well one show in London and one show in Chicago, makes a total of two shows announced.
Who knows what the fall tour will bring.
As for touring, just look at the tour schedule untin 2003 and compare it to everything after.
Again, just observing.
As for the album, I wrote about that above.

I made my original point answering to the argument that PJ wants to focuss on the present / future.
I just hope in the future, they'll focus more on the main band as on the side projects.
Of course always under the condition that they still have enough output and ideas for great songs.

And if Jeff or Eddie feel boredem in the future, please finish the next Super Deluxe Box Set.
The first two were good, but the next one(s) is the one most fans are really waiting for (me included)! :thumbup:

Hugh Freaking Dillon · February 2013

William Wallace wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

they've all released tonnes of new music.........

I'm a Pearl Jam fan, so I'm talking about Pearl Jam music.
Brad, RNDM, Uke-Vedder or whatever else are all nice things, but they are not Pearl Jam.
Lately, it looks like Pearl Jam isn't the main priority for most of the guys anymore.
Not judging, just observing.
Look at the times in between albums:
It'll be more than 4 years in between the last album and the next one.
They did 3 albums during this period when they all focused on this band in the 90s.

no one is debating that. but you have to remember that all bands release music at a frantic pace in their infancy. this is normal, and that things slow down over time. 4 years in between albums is NOTHING. especially for a band that's been around 20 years. I challenge you to look at any band that's been around this length of time and find one that still releases music at the pace they did in their prime.

bands love to tour when they are young. it's fun, it's a big party, but as you get older and you have kids and/or a spouse, it doesn't have the appeal it once did. same goes for any profession, even if it's your passion. when young, traveling with your friends/coworkers is just one big road trip. now, it takes you away from those that you love. and bands write a lot on the road, so less touring means less collaboration. it's just common sense that the period between albums is going to get larger as time goes on.

expect their 11th album to be out around 2020 or later.

William Wallace · February 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

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Thanks, all good points.
And as much as I understand it, I don't see any reason why they don't continue with the release of the Super Deluxe Box Sets.
Except for the reason the last one didn't sell that well.
Being to busy (with their jobs) can't be the reason since it is Ed and Jeff who did most of the work for the first ones.

And as someone suggested earlier, just ask the fans / Tenclub Members what they want to be included in the SDBS.
There will be a lot of great input I guess.

ckravitz · February 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

William Wallace wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

they've all released tonnes of new music.........

I'm a Pearl Jam fan, so I'm talking about Pearl Jam music.
Brad, RNDM, Uke-Vedder or whatever else are all nice things, but they are not Pearl Jam.
Lately, it looks like Pearl Jam isn't the main priority for most of the guys anymore.
Not judging, just observing.
Look at the times in between albums:
It'll be more than 4 years in between the last album and the next one.
They did 3 albums during this period when they all focused on this band in the 90s.

no one is debating that. but you have to remember that all bands release music at a frantic pace in their infancy. this is normal, and that things slow down over time. 4 years in between albums is NOTHING. especially for a band that's been around 20 years. I challenge you to look at any band that's been around this length of time and find one that still releases music at the pace they did in their prime.

bands love to tour when they are young. it's fun, it's a big party, but as you get older and you have kids and/or a spouse, it doesn't have the appeal it once did. same goes for any profession, even if it's your passion. when young, traveling with your friends/coworkers is just one big road trip. now, it takes you away from those that you love. and bands write a lot on the road, so less touring means less collaboration. it's just common sense that the period between albums is going to get larger as time goes on.

expect their 11th album to be out around 2020 or later.

This is a good post and I agree with most all of it. However, the one thing that makes it a bit different with the PJ situation is that they ARE touring and they ARE making music, both at a fairly "young band" pace, only it isn't as Pearl Jam, it is as individuals. Not a judgement at all, perhaps the solo stuff is what is saving PJ as an entity in the first place, just that I really don't believe it's time or that they, as individuals, are any less motivated.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · February 2013

William Wallace wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

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Thanks, all good points.
And as much as I understand it, I don't see any reason why they don't continue with the release of the Super Deluxe Box Sets.
Except for the reason the last one didn't sell that well.
Being to busy (with their jobs) can't be the reason since it is Ed and Jeff who did most of the work for the first ones.

And as someone suggested earlier, just ask the fans / Tenclub Members what they want to be included in the SDBS.
There will be a lot of great input I guess.

Jeff mentioned after the second box that the band is tired (for now) of looking back, and want to focus on the future. I personally can't imagine how much work it was to put those box sets and the movie together, with all the footage and memoribilia they have laying around. I'd get tired of that too.

Spiritual_Chaos · February 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

William Wallace wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

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Thanks, all good points.
And as much as I understand it, I don't see any reason why they don't continue with the release of the Super Deluxe Box Sets.
Except for the reason the last one didn't sell that well.
Being to busy (with their jobs) can't be the reason since it is Ed and Jeff who did most of the work for the first ones.

And as someone suggested earlier, just ask the fans / Tenclub Members what they want to be included in the SDBS.
There will be a lot of great input I guess.

Jeff mentioned after the second box that the band is tired (for now) of looking back, and want to focus on the future. I personally can't imagine how much work it was to put those box sets and the movie together, with all the footage and memoribilia they have laying around. I'd get tired of that too.

Or... they did not sell good enough (the TEN was almost given away at places and later VS was only sold here). Better playing festivals.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · February 2013

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

Or... they did not sell good enough (the TEN was almost given away at places and later VS was only sold here). Better playing festivals.

I don't think the band gives a shit about sales.

William Wallace · February 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I don't think the band gives a shit about sales.

Their management surely does.

Lament · February 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Lament wrote:

Stone explicitly said there would be more, but that there was no timetable whatsoever as to when they would come out...

http://grungereport.net/?p=11697

that doesn't really matter. each member has explicitly stated something would happen at some point that hasn't come to fruition.

The question was what the word was on the next installment. That's the last thing anybody within the Pearl Jam organization has said regarding about the ongoing boxed set project. Hence for the time being that would be "the word."

If word from within the organization "doesn't really matter" then tell me what does? Conjecture from people with no ties to the band on a message board?

ckravitz · February 2013

Lament wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Lament wrote:

Stone explicitly said there would be more, but that there was no timetable whatsoever as to when they would come out...

http://grungereport.net/?p=11697

that doesn't really matter. each member has explicitly stated something would happen at some point that hasn't come to fruition.

The question was what the word was on the next installment. That's the last thing anybody within the Pearl Jam organization has said regarding about the ongoing boxed set project. Hence for the time being that would be "the word."

If word from within the organization "doesn't really matter" then tell me what does? Conjecture from people with no ties to the band on a message board?

Well I think all he was saying is that there has been plenty said by band members that doesn't necessarily come to fruition.....the timetable on the next album comes to mind. Certainly someone on a message board wouldn't know better, but I don't think anyone suggested that anyway.

Cosmo · February 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Jeff mentioned after the second box that the band is tired (for now) of looking back, and want to focus on the future. I personally can't imagine how much work it was to put those box sets and the movie together, with all the footage and memoribilia they have laying around. I'd get tired of that too.

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And I don't blame him for being tired of looking back.
That is exactly WHY We... the FANS... could help by expressing what we wish the rest of the set would look like. Jeff won't have to do much, other than provide the source material.
No Code / Yield - 1996-1999
Binural / Riot Act - 2000-2004
Pearl Jam / Backspacer - 2005-2010
1990 to 2010 - Twenty Years
Jeff can provide guidence to the Ten Club workers... and the Ten Club workers get ideas from us. That way, Jeff can do what he wants and
...
For example,
We want it to cost 100 bucks... and we will work within that restriction.
Re-issued vinyl LP (including the proper liner notes, stickers, etc...) no need to add songs, just re-prints of the originals.
A FULL concert CD (previously unavailable)... or a DVD from the specific period.
And tossed in cool stuff... re-printed stickers... or re-printed guitar picks... or cards... or photos... or minature prints of posters (something nice... like a serigraph).
The packaging should match the previous 2... so it makes a complete set.
...
The specifics can be... something like, an extended version of 'Single Video Theory' with extras... or a sequal to 'Touring Band 2000'... or the 'Bridge School 20th' (uncut).
And any concert CD... give us the entire thing... not cut up with gaps in it.
I don't know... I'm just tossing stuff out there.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · February 2013

Lament wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Lament wrote:

Stone explicitly said there would be more, but that there was no timetable whatsoever as to when they would come out...

http://grungereport.net/?p=11697

that doesn't really matter. each member has explicitly stated something would happen at some point that hasn't come to fruition.

The question was what the word was on the next installment. That's the last thing anybody within the Pearl Jam organization has said regarding about the ongoing boxed set project. Hence for the time being that would be "the word."

If word from within the organization "doesn't really matter" then tell me what does? Conjecture from people with no ties to the band on a message board?

easy big fella. just having a discussion here.

I never said I knew any more than anyone else. I don't. I'm just saying that judging from what each individual member has said regarding any host of topics, you can't believe it until it actually happens.

and actually, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong here) that Stone's statement from April 2012 precedes Jeff's statement of being done with the reissues for a long time.

ewokpelts · February 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

William Wallace wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

they've all released tonnes of new music.........

I'm a Pearl Jam fan, so I'm talking about Pearl Jam music.
Brad, RNDM, Uke-Vedder or whatever else are all nice things, but they are not Pearl Jam.
Lately, it looks like Pearl Jam isn't the main priority for most of the guys anymore.
Not judging, just observing.
Look at the times in between albums:
It'll be more than 4 years in between the last album and the next one.
They did 3 albums during this period when they all focused on this band in the 90s.

no one is debating that. but you have to remember that all bands release music at a frantic pace in their infancy. this is normal, and that things slow down over time. 4 years in between albums is NOTHING. especially for a band that's been around 20 years. I challenge you to look at any band that's been around this length of time and find one that still releases music at the pace they did in their prime.

bands love to tour when they are young. it's fun, it's a big party, but as you get older and you have kids and/or a spouse, it doesn't have the appeal it once did. same goes for any profession, even if it's your passion. when young, traveling with your friends/coworkers is just one big road trip. now, it takes you away from those that you love. and bands write a lot on the road, so less touring means less collaboration. it's just common sense that the period between albums is going to get larger as time goes on.

expect their 11th album to be out around 2020 or later.

Metallica has been out for 30 years. and most of the members are the same age as pj.

YET, they tour every year, ESPECIALLY in the summer. granted most of that is outside the states, but they are out there.

and when they do a big us tour, they take frequent mini-breaks to be with their families and not kill each other on the road. the death magnetic tour was from 2008-2010, but they spaced it out to enjoy the tour.

ewokpelts · February 2013

William Wallace wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

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Thanks, all good points.
And as much as I understand it, I don't see any reason why they don't continue with the release of the Super Deluxe Box Sets.
Except for the reason the last one didn't sell that well.
Being to busy (with their jobs) can't be the reason since it is Ed and Jeff who did most of the work for the first ones.

And as someone suggested earlier, just ask the fans / Tenclub Members what they want to be included in the SDBS.
There will be a lot of great input I guess.

since it was sold only at the TC store, we have no way of knowing how well it really sold.

that said, it was kinda dumb to just have it offered here. when you offer it to amazon and the big boxes, the market will keep the price down. i know i didnt buy it until it got discounted with free shipping(and a bonus cd)

Lament · February 2013

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

easy big fella. just having a discussion here.

I never said I knew any more than anyone else. I don't. I'm just saying that judging from what each individual member has said regarding any host of topics, you can't believe it until it actually happens.

and actually, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong here) that Stone's statement from April 2012 precedes Jeff's statement of being done with the reissues for a long time.

I apologize if I came off as nasty, as that was not my intent. My point was just that a statement from a band member (regardless of how accurate they've been in the past) is still the most definitive thing we have to go on (even when we can all agree it's nowhere near as definitive as anyone would like). For some reason I thought Jeff's comments were from 2011 (in the aftermath of PJ20), but if they were in fact more recent than Stone's, then I would agree that right now that would be what the "word" on the reissues is until someone from within the organization says otherwise.

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