"If" carries a lot of weight in that sentence. The fact is he did, he wanted out and he was replaced with a supremely skilled drummer who adds a hell of a lot more to the group than just hitting circles.
you said jack was a temporary fix. there is absolutely no evidence of that. jack wanted to leave and it caught the band off guard.
matt is skilled, sure. he's also been on the drumkit for some of the band's worst albums. jack was on it for some other their best. to me, that's the big difference.
Binaural,Riot act Avocado are their worst albums??
and if so,sure Matt drumming wasnt the problem!!
i love jack tho
well, yeah. and matt wrote quite a few of those songs.
i love all their albums but some have to be considered their "worst" right?
I think people are coming from two different places with their opinions. Some are looking purely at the drumming and not considering ancillary things like Jacks mental health issues. It is a wish that they could have kept Jack or Dave A/K, knowing full well that he did not want to stay in the band. The other point of view is taking everything into consideration. If you are wishing, I would wish for Jack or Dave A. If I am taking a realistic whole picture point of view I am glad Matt is in the band. He just seems to be a very down to Earth good guy. A calming force for the band off the stage perhaps. I think that is more what Ed meant, not necessarily that he is the best drummer but he is the best drummer for them at this point in their lives.
So I guess to answer my OP... changing drummers helped. Everyone just has a different era that they like the best and I think each era is directly attributed to the drummer at the time.
Ten - Dave K
Vs./Vitalogy- Dave A
No Code/Yield- Jack Irons
everything since- Matt
My opinion is I like the Jack era best followed by Dave A and then Dave K. Glad Matt is in the band, just wish he would step forward a little more on a few more songs. In a my perfect PJ world Jack would still be the drummer, but he is not and I more than OK with Matt for all of the positive things mentioned previously.
you think binaural, riot act, avocado and back spacer are better than anything that came before them?
Binaural for me is away better than yield,nocode,vitalogy..yes
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I think people are coming from two different places with their opinions. Some are looking purely at the drumming and not considering ancillary things like Jacks mental health issues. It is a wish that they could have kept Jack or Dave A/K, knowing full well that he did not want to stay in the band. The other point of view is taking everything into consideration. If you are wishing, I would wish for Jack or Dave A. If I am taking a realistic whole picture point of view I am glad Matt is in the band. He just seems to be a very down to Earth good guy. A calming force for the band off the stage perhaps. I think that is more what Ed meant, not necessarily that he is the best drummer but he is the best drummer for them at this point in their lives.
So I guess to answer my OP... changing drummers helped. Everyone just has a different era that they like the best and I think each era is directly attributed to the drummer at the time.
Ten - Dave K
Vs./Vitalogy- Dave A
No Code/Yield- Jack Irons
everything since- Matt
My opinion is I like the Jack era best followed by Dave A and then Dave K. Glad Matt is in the band, just wish he would step forward a little more on a few more songs. In a my perfect PJ world Jack would still be the drummer, but he is not and I more than OK with Matt for all of the positive things mentioned previously.
fair points all around.....though judging from the songs that matt did pen, i'm happy with him taking even more of a back seat regarding the song writing.
i love all their albums but some have to be considered their "worst" right?
backspacer yes..but im not putting riot act and avocado ,lower than nocode or vitalogy
every album has brilliant moment
ten as number 1 and vs as number 2 is their top 2,binaural number 3 IMO
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
you think binaural, riot act, avocado and back spacer are better than anything that came before them?
Binaural for me is away better than yield,nocode,vitalogy..yes
well, you're a damn fool.
i kid, i kid.
binaural and the act riot have grown on me over the years. been listening to avocado a lot lately too.
i don't know...to me, i just consider the mid to late 90's as pearl jam's heyday
hehe..i understand..
as i understand the thing in the forum..as i see there is a fan base here in the forum a big one..100-250xxx..and its the era of nocode-yield..they love pj via those 2 albums..i get it..
seriously..album like Ten..this type of debut album will never comes again..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
ok..i have to admit..i made some checking-experiment with friends here in greece never listen to pj..ok they knew jeremy
so i didnt start from ten..but from avocado and riot act and yield and back spacer...
every single one loved Avocado more!!that was something
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I ilke both Matt and Jack for what they are, but I liked the way Jack made space in the songs. To me, Matts drumming is just full speed ahead through the whole song.. I think it was Jack's ability to use the toms and lay off the cymbals. Ultimately though, as someone else said earlier, the drummer is really contained by what he is given to work with.. But the way I imagine it is -- Yield would not have been nearly as good with Matt (sorry :oops: )
Matt is a rocker, and his endurance and abilities live are amazing. And I also agree with Juggler, leave the song writing to Stone, Jeff, Ed..
i love all their albums but some have to be considered their "worst" right?
backspacer yes..but im not putting riot act and avocado ,lower than nocode or vitalogy
every album has brilliant moment
ten as number 1 and vs as number 2 is their top 2,binaural number 3 IMO
i agree that every album has brilliant moments. the issue that i have is their last few albums seem to be way more inconsistent than the albums from the band's first 10 years.
for me....
ten (not necessarily my favorite--but come on, it's ten)
yield
no code
vitalogy
vs
binaural
riot act
avocado
backspacer
i love all their albums but some have to be considered their "worst" right?
backspacer yes..but im not putting riot act and avocado ,lower than nocode or vitalogy
every album has brilliant moment
ten as number 1 and vs as number 2 is their top 2,binaural number 3 IMO
i agree that every album has brilliant moments. the issue that i have is their last few albums seem to be way more inconsistent than the albums from the band's first 10 years.
for me....
ten (not necessarily my favorite--but come on, it's ten)
yield
no code
vitalogy
vs
binaural
riot act
avocado
backspacer
well,we agree at first and last!!!!!
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I think people are coming from two different places with their opinions. Some are looking purely at the drumming and not considering ancillary things like Jacks mental health issues. It is a wish that they could have kept Jack or Dave A/K, knowing full well that he did not want to stay in the band. The other point of view is taking everything into consideration. If you are wishing, I would wish for Jack or Dave A. If I am taking a realistic whole picture point of view I am glad Matt is in the band. He just seems to be a very down to Earth good guy. A calming force for the band off the stage perhaps. I think that is more what Ed meant, not necessarily that he is the best drummer but he is the best drummer for them at this point in their lives.
So I guess to answer my OP... changing drummers helped. Everyone just has a different era that they like the best and I think each era is directly attributed to the drummer at the time.
Ten - Dave K
Vs./Vitalogy- Dave A
No Code/Yield- Jack Irons
everything since- Matt
My opinion is I like the Jack era best followed by Dave A and then Dave K. Glad Matt is in the band, just wish he would step forward a little more on a few more songs. In a my perfect PJ world Jack would still be the drummer, but he is not and I more than OK with Matt for all of the positive things mentioned previously.
fair points all around.....though judging from the songs that matt did pen, i'm happy with him taking even more of a back seat regarding the song writing.
I was referring to his drumming not necessarily his song writing. Like on Got Some. I love the drums in that song, especially at the beginning.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
There are many more posts with people asking for Jack Irons to come back. Why I do not know. He was a filler for the band. Matt is a concrete block and I think they love it that they are ALL on the same wavelength with each other. I would say the band have never been happier with their lives and the band in general. Its stable and Cameron was the key to that.
jack irons injected more creativity into this band than any drummer. if dave was still on the kit, do you think we would have been treated to albums like no code or yield? no chance dave can hang on albums like that. zero. instead of no code, we more than likely would have had a vitalogy 2 on our hands.
matt was a drummer for hire / filler at the time he joined. the expectation was that he was to help them during the '98 tour (since it was already booked) and that was it. i don't think anyone expected matt to be around for the long haul.
and i think you are overlooking that jack suffered from biopolar disorder and had some medical issues. THAT was the main reason why he couldn't handle touring.
I think Dave A could hang with any style. He was more funk than pounding the shit outta the kit prior to PJ. If anything, he had to adjust to Pearl Jam's style IMO. He's still my favorite drummer out the bunch - but am glad they didn't keep making Vs over and over again. Different drummers are to thank for that IMO.
Interesting post. I think they're all great drummers and Matt is as tight as you can get.
All of them added a different flavour at different times, but Matt walked the mile.
Thats what I am saying. Everyone says they like this album or that album best but are they really saying I liked the band better with a certain drummer. Many people may not have even considered that.
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well, yeah. and matt wrote quite a few of those songs.
i love all their albums but some have to be considered their "worst" right?
give me jack and better quality albums with 20 minute shorter show verses increasingly poorer records and longer shows any day of the week.
i want one more great album out of these guys...i'm concerned that will not happen with matt in the band.
So I guess to answer my OP... changing drummers helped. Everyone just has a different era that they like the best and I think each era is directly attributed to the drummer at the time.
Ten - Dave K
Vs./Vitalogy- Dave A
No Code/Yield- Jack Irons
everything since- Matt
My opinion is I like the Jack era best followed by Dave A and then Dave K. Glad Matt is in the band, just wish he would step forward a little more on a few more songs. In a my perfect PJ world Jack would still be the drummer, but he is not and I more than OK with Matt for all of the positive things mentioned previously.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
fair points all around.....though judging from the songs that matt did pen, i'm happy with him taking even more of a back seat regarding the song writing.
well, you're a damn fool.
i kid, i kid.
binaural and the act riot have grown on me over the years. been listening to avocado a lot lately too.
i don't know...to me, i just consider the mid to late 90's as pearl jam's heyday
every album has brilliant moment
ten as number 1 and vs as number 2 is their top 2,binaural number 3 IMO
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
as i understand the thing in the forum..as i see there is a fan base here in the forum a big one..100-250xxx..and its the era of nocode-yield..they love pj via those 2 albums..i get it..
seriously..album like Ten..this type of debut album will never comes again..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
so i didnt start from ten..but from avocado and riot act and yield and back spacer...
every single one loved Avocado more!!that was something
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Matt is a rocker, and his endurance and abilities live are amazing. And I also agree with Juggler, leave the song writing to Stone, Jeff, Ed..
i agree that every album has brilliant moments. the issue that i have is their last few albums seem to be way more inconsistent than the albums from the band's first 10 years.
for me....
ten (not necessarily my favorite--but come on, it's ten)
yield
no code
vitalogy
vs
binaural
riot act
avocado
backspacer
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I was referring to his drumming not necessarily his song writing. Like on Got Some. I love the drums in that song, especially at the beginning.
We love Jack Irons, come on you fuckers! ha, ha
and Deep entry is epic...i love this song..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
in addition to wanting jack back in the band....i would also love to bring back ed's 1995 voice.
Subject for a different thread but I agree.
Matt the machine! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7qG852y2To He is effortless.
jack irons injected more creativity into this band than any drummer. if dave was still on the kit, do you think we would have been treated to albums like no code or yield? no chance dave can hang on albums like that. zero. instead of no code, we more than likely would have had a vitalogy 2 on our hands.
matt was a drummer for hire / filler at the time he joined. the expectation was that he was to help them during the '98 tour (since it was already booked) and that was it. i don't think anyone expected matt to be around for the long haul.
and i think you are overlooking that jack suffered from biopolar disorder and had some medical issues. THAT was the main reason why he couldn't handle touring.
All of them added a different flavour at different times, but Matt walked the mile.
Thats what I am saying. Everyone says they like this album or that album best but are they really saying I liked the band better with a certain drummer. Many people may not have even considered that.