Lost EBay or Lost Dogs?
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Paul Andrews wrote:OK, my 2 cents worth. I've only traded/bought/sold a handful of times here. I have bought a shit load of stuff on ebay. Both places have advantages and disadvantages. I've snapped up some items way cheaper on ebay that people ask here, but by the same measure, there are people who have listed items here (and sometimes had trouble selling) way cheaper than I've paid on ebay. It is a complex market and I think values shoot up and down daily depending on who and how many people are after an item and if you are patient you often strike it lucky. I've often considered building a dedicated trading/selling website to allow some kind of market that has the best of this forum and ebay - but have been consistently too busy the last couple of years to put time into a project like that. But I digress.
I am currently considering selling a number of rare limited items that I picked up in the PJ20 sales and from ebay over the years. The extravagance of having a few thousand dollars worth of unopened or pristine stuff sitting hidden away in a safe cupboard is becoming less cool for me. I bought all the items with the intention of using/framing/watching/listening etc to them. However, as some went through the roof with 'resale value' it seriously made me think, is this worth opening, marking - devaluing? I can only frame so many posters, I am starting to see my dream of a music room with a turntable and display cabinets of memorabilia probably is not going to happen. I can see that the other items I have that are cool to own, are just taking up space I need and their value could pay off my credit card.
Funny how it is an emotional and ethical minefield to sell these items - but also case of how much of a capitalist do I really want to be? I see what people are paying for these items on here and ebay. Am I comfortable to ask the current 'maximum value' of these items on the forum? No! Am I comfortable to let these items go for less than the price I could achieve? No! But, I (and all people) have real and valid uses for the money and never intended to be in a position of speculating or 'investing' but between having extra $$$ to spend on my family or pay off debt versus giving someone a sweet deal here, I'd be a fool to neglect my family. In this case an auction finds the true market value of what someone is prepared to pay without me having to put a pie in the sky price here and then either cop flack for making it too high, or be called as a great guy (but kicking myself) for letting it go cheap. However, there are plenty of people here desperate for particular items and will pay far more than ebay prices to secure a much wanted item. Is it right or wrong to take advantage of obsessive collectors who will pay a premium to secure their holly grail?
An example in point. My PJ20 Billboard. It was bought with the intention of being framed and mounted in my home office (I work from home). However, I went the other way and framed three other posters and the PJ20 will just not work in here and there is no way my wife will be happy with it anywhere else in the house. So, right now it is stilling, stored away in a dark safe place being wasted when there are loads of people here (and on ebay) searching for this poster. I now know deep down, I will never frame it, it is destined for a life of storage. My quandary is that it should go to someone who really wants it and would frame it and treasure it more than I am right now - and there are at least 3 or 4 people who have asked me to let them know if I ever decide to sell - but because I don't have to sell it, and deep down really don't want to, there is no way I'd let it go for anything less than the absolute maximum the market will pay - but I don't want to take advantage of friends. This is where ebay then is good because there is no relationship between buyer and seller and the price is what the market set. Forum rules prohibit me from listing it and saying.. 'make an offer' to see where the market lies for this items. I understand why and support the forum rules, but it just makes it difficult to settle on a fair price that makes everyone happy. Lets face it, the actual profit margin we all make on some items is incredible - but this is balanced off by the number of times I've probably paid through the nose for items on the after market myself.
I'd be quite happy to see 'silent auction' or 'sale by tender' here, where member lists the item and final bidding time and then the tenders/bids take place via PM. Seller selects winning tender, publishes the winner and price and sale closes.
When I put a list up of what I'm prepared to sell, the numbers attached to each item make me giddy and I end up deleting and not listing - this is my quandary.
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Guy is gonna be selling a bunch of rare collectibles on eBay soon. Stay tuned.0 -
pjl44 wrote:Paul Andrews wrote:OK, my 2 cents worth...
When I put a list up of what I'm prepared to sell, the numbers attached to each item make me giddy and I end up deleting and not listing - this is my quandary.
TL;DR:
Guy is gonna be selling a bunch of rare collectibles on eBay soon. Stay tuned.
No nothing selling 'soon'. Just adding to the conversation - with some honesty.
Anything that I caught or bought at a concert would never be sold - so my guitar picks, sweatbands, show posters, t-shirts, set lists etc would never be sold - they are worth a lot to me as they are directly linked to memories of shows or road trips etc. What I find expendable are the assorted 'things' we accumulate with best intentions, but never get around to using - or as I mentioned before - are too scared to open now because of the 'value' of these sealed mint items.
For the record - these are the main items to which I refer (I've just received a number of PMs). I am not soliciting offers, nor am I about to list them on ebay. I list them to highlight the quandary of the after sales market.
Complete sealed set of sealed & unopened PJ Vinyl Studio, Live and Compilation Albums + White Backspacer. (I believe all are first editions). No Benny unfortunately.
PJ 20 Billboard Poster
PJ 20 Deluxe Original 3 Blueray Sealed
PJ 20 Rimmed Beanie (tried on but never worn - looks naff on me)
PJ 20 Backpack - Sealed
There are people who missed out on all of these items who wanted them. I bought them with the intention of using them but now I find I haven't, just feels wrong to ask for way above the price I paid, but it would be crazy to not ask for as much as I can get, ultimately I'd still be hundreds (maybe thousand) of dollars down on all the money I've spent over the years. Paying three times sale price on a concert t-shirt and then wearing it until it is ruined is not smart. Paying top dollar for a Binarual Jersy and then using it for my main mountain biking jersy (and have had major stacks while wearing it) is not a good investment. haha So I guess I can sit with a clear conscience no matter what I do, but it is a difficult decision to make.
If I look at what I paid for all of the above, I'll probably take a crushing loss on some vinyls and make some back on the increase in value on the other items I bought from regular sales - I paid a premium for sealed/unplayed/unopened mint vinyl. I paid a bit extra on some to help charity or people who needed cash. I wanted to be the first to open and play, but it's just not going to happen any time soon (if ever) my dream of a record room are as good as gone - the kids now use that room as a playroom and far be it for me to take that away from them for my selfish fantasy. Everything else was bought to use and just hasn't been for one reason or another.
At this stage of my life, using the MP3 music on my devices is the most likely medium I use to listen to music. between ripping cds I've bought, purchasing digital music (yep, I buy - never use torrents) and spotify, I have access to almost every song I could ever need. Actually having the time to sit down with a record on a turntable (and also the ability to listen at that volume level without disturbing the rest of the house) is nearly impossible. And yes, I love vinyl, still remember the joys of opening a Kiss or AC/DC or Angels album in the 70 and 80s. Just got to face the facts, unless I win lotto, there is almost zero chance of these babies ever being played. Which is a total fucking waste. :fp:
I guess this is where I need to take the same attitude as I take to putting a value on my labour when I quote clients for work. Just doesn't feel right to take that same hardline capitalist approach to these items. However, if I don't there will always be someone who'll buy from me and then flip to another member (where did Sawyer go???) or put them on ebay themselves.
Damn you 10C why did you ever get me into collecting!!!!! aaarrrggghhh!!!Post edited by Paul Andrews on0 -
Paul Andrews wrote:At this stage of my life, using the MP3 music on my devices is the most likely medium I use to listen to music. Actually having the time to sit down with a record on a turntable (and also the ability to listen at that volume level without disturbing the rest of the house) is nearly impossible. And yes, I love vinyl, still remember the joys of opening a Kiss or AC/DC or Angels album in the 70 and 80s. Just got to face the facts, unless I win lotto, there is almost zero chance of these babies ever being played.
Don't give up! I have decided that I am destined to win the lotto over here. Maybe a nice $40m or so. When I do I will personally pay for a shit-cool shed extension that will be sound proofed for you.
Thank me later."Life comes from within your heart and desire"0 -
Mango wrote:Paul Andrews wrote:At this stage of my life, using the MP3 music on my devices is the most likely medium I use to listen to music. Actually having the time to sit down with a record on a turntable (and also the ability to listen at that volume level without disturbing the rest of the house) is nearly impossible. And yes, I love vinyl, still remember the joys of opening a Kiss or AC/DC or Angels album in the 70 and 80s. Just got to face the facts, unless I win lotto, there is almost zero chance of these babies ever being played.
Don't give up! I have decided that I am destined to win the lotto over here. Maybe a nice $40m or so. When I do I will personally pay for a shit-cool shed extension that will be sound proofed for you.
Thank me later.
Yeah but if I were to win 40 million, I don't think repurchasing these albums would be a problem. In fact, I'd fly to wherever they were to pick them up personally. I'm a total travel whore, so that would just give me an excuse.0 -
Paul Andrews wrote:Yeah but if I were to win 40 million, I don't think repurchasing these albums would be a problem. In fact, I'd fly to wherever they were to pick them up personally. I'm a total travel whore, so that would just give me an excuse.
No you mis-read my post. I AM going to be winning the money. There will only be one winner, sorry about that."Life comes from within your heart and desire"0 -
Greatplainsman... wrote:Lately it seems like a lot of ten club merch for sale in Lost Dogs is much higher priced than the original sale price plus shipping here at Ten Club. In the first topic here, it pretty much states that is against the forum rules. People come here to sell things after they see what eBay price was and then come here to avoid fees, "gift", etc. I don't think any have been pulled, so I'm confused. I know not everyone does this... Just wondering aloud. Please don't be offended by my post. I'm not a cheapskate. Just trying to clarify the rules for myself perhaps...
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True sometimes. I hate paying shipping.
Ebay can be wierd. I have never had a problem here...
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81 wrote:i am of the opion that if you don't like the price of something, don't purchase it....either somebody else will, or the prices will fall.
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Greatplainsman... wrote:I get it. It just kind of doesn't follow the posted guidelines. Which is confusing to me.
I doubt he only paid 300-400 for all of those, but if he did. I do think asking $1200 is too much to ask a brother. Same thing with Benny. I think $400 would be fair to a brother (ten clubs convention price), if you only paid $40. Anybody can go pay $1200 on EBay. This is Lost Dogs. If you want that; then why not just go to the place u got your numbers in the first place? JmoZod wrote:Would people really part with their Benaroya's for $35 + shipping?
Even at $1000 I don't consider selling my copy. How do you expect people to part with hard to find items if not to throw money at them? Alot of people couldn't be bothered to part with something rare if they are only offered its original price.
IE there's a guy selling all his pj albums for 1200 to pay off his debt before his baby is born. Do you think he'd bother if he'd only get 3 or 4 hundred for the set?
I think it's bad to buy and sell immediately, but to sell of ones personal collection at a premium seems ok to me. There needs to be an incentive to sell it? That usually collectible type prices.
Money pays for bills. I agree with you all, I'd rather give ten club a chance to buy something before I would do ebay.
I ask premium prices on some items I rather not sell, but need too. Sometimes, I can give stuff away. This economy is whacked.
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