Employers and Obamacare

EdsonNascimento
EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
edited January 2013 in A Moving Train
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post ... 3824f93591

The most fascinating part is actually toward the end about a supporter of the policy (reality IS a bitch):

Other restaurant franchises, meanwhile, are also looking at options ahead of Obamacare. John Rigos, owner of a Five Guys franchise in New York City, told CBS News the new regulations will affect hiring policies at his restaurants.

"It'll probably have to reduce the staff to some degree," he said, "and again, focus on building [a] smaller stronger team rather than being as aggressive in opening up new stores and creating new jobs."

Rigos said while he "absolutely" supports Obamacare, he still finds it challenging.

"There's 25,000 restaurants within the New York City market we're competing against," he notes, "so it's not like we have surplus profits that we could just earmark a portion of them to go toward these types of initiatives."
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,608
    I wish that the GOP had chosen to participate in the process. I do believe we would have a better bill today.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,649
    Any costs associated with the healthcare insurance reform increases the momentum toward a single-payer system. It brings to the surface the fact that were all paying for each others healthcare, so people will starting looking more and more at how to even out the amount paid into the system across people, while at the same time trying to figure out how to reduce the costs of healthcare. The majority sees that the private sector has had their chance to provide decent, affordable care and largely has failed.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    What the proponents of having the government and our employers supposedly "supply" us with health insurance or anything for that matter fail to see is that we the people, citizens and employees will ultimately pay for whatever benefit it is. Those costs are passed along to us through higher prices, lower salaries, less open positions, etc.

    We're all paying for "Obamasurance" out of our own pockets. Nobody is giving anything to any of us.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    JimmyV wrote:
    I wish that the GOP had chosen to participate in the process. I do believe we would have a better bill today.

    I wish there had been a debate instead of ramming a bill through.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Any costs associated with the healthcare insurance reform increases the momentum toward a single-payer system. It brings to the surface the fact that were all paying for each others healthcare, so people will starting looking more and more at how to even out the amount paid into the system across people, while at the same time trying to figure out how to reduce the costs of healthcare. The majority sees that the private sector has had their chance to provide decent, affordable care and largely has failed.

    Killing the golden goose. This reality is why Clinton backed off.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    know1 wrote:
    What the proponents of having the government and our employers supposedly "supply" us with health insurance or anything for that matter fail to see is that we the people, citizens and employees will ultimately pay for whatever benefit it is. Those costs are passed along to us through higher prices, lower salaries, less open positions, etc.

    We're all paying for "Obamasurance" out of our own pockets. Nobody is giving anything to any of us.


    Just curious.....Don't you pay for health anyhow? And I know you do, so what difference does it really make? Or is it all about dog eat dog down there and if you can't afford insurance you lose?

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,608
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    I wish that the GOP had chosen to participate in the process. I do believe we would have a better bill today.

    I wish there had been a debate instead of ramming a bill through.

    :roll:

    Had it been a bipartisan process the end result, in my mind, would have been better. But it was more important to just say no and try to kill it because it came from Obama.
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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,772
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    I wish that the GOP had chosen to participate in the process. I do believe we would have a better bill today.

    I wish there had been a debate instead of ramming a bill through.
    the gop refused to debate.

    and that is the honest truth. they refused to have a real discussion. as a result we got a shitty bill. THAT is the consequence of people putting idealogy over constituents and over country.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • JPR
    JPR Posts: 20
    Why they even pushed to get Obamacare through with the financial position the country is in beyond comprehension.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,608
    JPR wrote:
    Why they even pushed to get Obamacare through with the financial position the country is in beyond comprehension.

    It is a valid question. Not sure the time would every be right but it may be better than now.
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    JimmyV wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    I wish that the GOP had chosen to participate in the process. I do believe we would have a better bill today.

    I wish there had been a debate instead of ramming a bill through.

    :roll:

    Had it been a bipartisan process the end result, in my mind, would have been better. But it was more important to just say no and try to kill it because it came from Obama.


    It was never presented for debate. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi had full authority to determine the docket. They thought it better to ram something through without anyone even reading it than even TRYING to have a debate. It is a consistent theme for the last 4 years.

    Harry Reid is allowed to speak on the floor of the Senate without permission from anyone.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    I wish that the GOP had chosen to participate in the process. I do believe we would have a better bill today.

    I wish there had been a debate instead of ramming a bill through.
    the gop refused to debate.

    and that is the honest truth.

    According to MSNBC
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,772
    EdsonNascimento wrote:

    According to MSNBC
    according to everyone but fox news.



    and conservative radio.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:

    According to MSNBC
    according to everyone but fox news.



    and conservative radio.

    You are right - most of the media takes this stance. I wonder why. Hmmmmm....

    Again - what stopped Reid and Pelosi from presenting debates to the floors of both the House and the Senate?

    So what you are saying is that it is a very good outcome that they approved 2,000+ page legislation without anyone reading it. Interesting.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,608
    EdsonNascimento wrote:


    It was never presented for debate. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi had full authority to determine the docket. They thought it better to ram something through without anyone even reading it than even TRYING to have a debate. It is a consistent theme for the last 4 years.

    Harry Reid is allowed to speak on the floor of the Senate without permission from anyone.

    It is almost like Harry Reid is the Majority Leader or something!

    You have a much different memory of the last four years than I do. And however the bill was passed, the GOP's only interest was to filibuster and/or kill the bill. There was no serious debate to be had and the bill is weaker for it. You can insist on playing the partisan game and blaming one party all you want, but it was a bipartisan failure.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    much like our "healthcare" articles like the one cited focus on the symptoms not the problem!
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    JimmyV wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:


    It was never presented for debate. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi had full authority to determine the docket. They thought it better to ram something through without anyone even reading it than even TRYING to have a debate. It is a consistent theme for the last 4 years.

    Harry Reid is allowed to speak on the floor of the Senate without permission from anyone.

    It is almost like Harry Reid is the Majority Leader or something!

    You have a much different memory of the last four years than I do. And however the bill was passed, the GOP's only interest was to filibuster and/or kill the bill. There was no serious debate to be had and the bill is weaker for it. You can insist on playing the partisan game and blaming one party all you want, but it was a bipartisan failure.

    I do not disagree that it might have ended up that way. But, much like the GOP's threat to not increase taxes on anyone - you never know until you try. And they simply never tried. Obama, Reid and Pelosi played this out in the media, so folks would remember it exactly as has been espoused here. But, the fact is, it was never even PUT UP for debate. The gang of 3 simply pointed fingers, the media and zealots ate it up, then produced a bill and gave everyone a weekend to read it which was impossible because it was 2,000+ pages. So they passed major legislation by playing to the media and pandering to the idiots. Hmmm. Sounds familiar.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    JC29856 wrote:
    much like our "healthcare" articles like the one cited focus on the symptoms not the problem!

    I didn't say it solved the problem. Neither did the article. All it was pointing out is the failures everyone saw coming that the dolts said - don't worry about that - thus COMPOUNDING the problem you allude to. THAT's the point.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    And, BTW, they've already started repealing parts of it in case y'all missed that part in the tax increase with no spending cuts kick the can down the path imaginary cliff deal they passed.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    JC29856 wrote:
    much like our "healthcare" articles like the one cited focus on the symptoms not the problem!

    I didn't say it solved the problem. Neither did the article. All it was pointing out is the failures everyone saw coming that the dolts said - don't worry about that - thus COMPOUNDING the problem you allude to. THAT's the point.

    whats the point of the article and your post? "I told you so"? genius!

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