wow, edson putting words in peoples' mouths again, shocking...
it was 900 pages.
the republicans did not even offer a competitive plan. their plan was only "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
Oops!!! 900 pages.
How about - we have other problems to address right now like the ECONOMY, STUPID!!!!!! (not calling you stupid, just to be clear. That is one party speaking to another).
When exactly was the competitive plan supposed to be proposed and debated?
They made a bad situation worse just so they could get their names in the history books. Well, they did alrighty. But, all publicity is in fact NOT good publicity.
the republicans opposed everything for the whole 4 years while offering no alternative plan or alternative legislation during most of the debates. why on earth would this bill have been any different? as if they would say "man, we have been dicks for 3 years, let's throw the president a bone and go along with this one. we can always oppose everything again next term, and we can still block his judicial nominees and stuff...."
the republicans even caused our credit rating to fall by opposing raising the debt ceiling to make a payment on the debt that they already had racked up.
you don't have to take my word for it. how else did they become known as the grand obstructionist party??
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the republicans even caused our credit rating to fall by opposing raising the debt ceiling to make a payment on the debt that they already had racked up.
you don't have to take my word for it. how else did they become known as the grand obstructionist party??
Classic!!! It's Bush's fault then, and the Congress fault now. The debt started piling up with a heavily Democratic/liberal Congress. The Republicans in the House are now trying to put a stop to it. You can't have it both ways. You can't blame the President when it's convenient for your narrative, then the House when it's convenient.
The deficit IS Congress' fault. 100% agree with you. Unfortunately, you have the wrong time line. Being obstructionist is not such a bad thing when the other side is completely out of control.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
the republicans even caused our credit rating to fall by opposing raising the debt ceiling to make a payment on the debt that they already had racked up.
you don't have to take my word for it. how else did they become known as the grand obstructionist party??
Classic!!! It's Bush's fault then, and the Congress fault now. The debt started piling up with a heavily Democratic/liberal Congress. The Republicans in the House are now trying to put a stop to it. You can't have it both ways. You can't blame the President when it's convenient for your narrative, then the House when it's convenient.
The deficit IS Congress' fault. 100% agree with you. Unfortunately, you have the wrong time line. Being obstructionist is not such a bad thing when the other side is completely out of control.
the republicans in the house have been trying to stop any and all progress since they took the house. very few of them have voted for anything that obama supported. the ones that went along with obama got ostracized and they are gonna get primaried. they did now allow a vote on any jobs bill and they held votes on abortion and repealing obamacare more than 30 times.
these are facts.
by the way, who put 2 fucking wars on the credit card and left them out of the budget?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the republicans even caused our credit rating to fall by opposing raising the debt ceiling to make a payment on the debt that they already had racked up.
you don't have to take my word for it. how else did they become known as the grand obstructionist party??
Classic!!! It's Bush's fault then, and the Congress fault now. The debt started piling up with a heavily Democratic/liberal Congress. The Republicans in the House are now trying to put a stop to it. You can't have it both ways. You can't blame the President when it's convenient for your narrative, then the House when it's convenient.
The deficit IS Congress' fault. 100% agree with you. Unfortunately, you have the wrong time line. Being obstructionist is not such a bad thing when the other side is completely out of control.
the republicans in the house have been trying to stop any and all progress since they took the house. very few of them have voted for anything that obama supported. the ones that went along with obama got ostracized and they are gonna get primaried. they did now allow a vote on any jobs bill and they held votes on abortion and repealing obamacare more than 30 times.
these are facts.
by the way, who put 2 fucking wars on the credit card and left them out of the budget?
The wars were pretty much unanimous. There's a board member that can probably tell you the handful of Congresspeople that didn't approve them
To your earlier point - that is our government, and quite honestly, I wouldn't want it any other way (Well, maybe slightly different, but they did a pretty damn good jobs constructing the thing a couple hundred years ago). I know you don't like hearing this, but it does fall directly at Obama's leadership skills. If he was a better leader, I'm sure he could have gotten stuff to the floor. Congress is very rarely the President's party (which is Exhibit A of how our gov't is superior to most others that elect their Prime Minister via the "ruling" party). And the parties have ALWAYS been at odds. Bush figured out how to work with the opposition. Clinton figured out how to do it. They didn't always get their way. And that ultimately is where Obama is failing. He thinks if they don't do what he wants, they are to blame. That's poor leadership 101.
EDIT: If he were a corporate CEO, we would have bailed out his company, paid him a huge bonus and fired his ass 3 years ago.
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Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I don't know why the he said / she said debate is going on. The 30 hour threshold is what we should be discussing.
This is going to have a very significant impact on low income households. Going from 37 to 27 hours a week is a big deal.
Yes. And that is due to the poor construct of the bill. We are putting people out of work so our names can go down in history. :roll: 100% Foreseeable result.
Something can be worse than nothing.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
the republicans even caused our credit rating to fall by opposing raising the debt ceiling to make a payment on the debt that they already had racked up.
you don't have to take my word for it. how else did they become known as the grand obstructionist party??
Classic!!! It's Bush's fault then, and the Congress fault now. The debt started piling up with a heavily Democratic/liberal Congress. The Republicans in the House are now trying to put a stop to it. You can't have it both ways. You can't blame the President when it's convenient for your narrative, then the House when it's convenient.
The deficit IS Congress' fault. 100% agree with you. Unfortunately, you have the wrong time line. Being obstructionist is not such a bad thing when the other side is completely out of control.
The cutesy nicknames (Grand Obstructionist Party) are used when there is no other way to attack or defend.
A lot of people refer to Democrats as Rats, because of the perception that they exsist by living off of others....some do, a lot don't.
This really isn't the governments fault, it's ours. We've decided to pick a side and stick to it, not because of what they stand for but because people don't want to admit when they are wrong, or when their guy is wrong. It's easier , and that's what the 'new America' is about, fast, easy and with as little effort as possible.
The wars were pretty much unanimous. There's a board member that can probably tell you the handful of Congresspeople that didn't approve them
To your earlier point - that is our government, and quite honestly, I wouldn't want it any other way (Well, maybe slightly different, but they did a pretty damn good jobs constructing the thing a couple hundred years ago). I know you don't like hearing this, but it does fall directly at Obama's leadership skills. If he was a better leader, I'm sure he could have gotten stuff to the floor. Congress is very rarely the President's party (which is Exhibit A of how our gov't is superior to most others that elect their Prime Minister via the "ruling" party). And the parties have ALWAYS been at odds. Bush figured out how to work with the opposition. Clinton figured out how to do it. They didn't always get their way. And that ultimately is where Obama is failing. He thinks if they don't do what he wants, they are to blame. That's poor leadership 101.
EDIT: If he were a corporate CEO, we would have bailed out his company, paid him a huge bonus and fired his ass 3 years ago.
afghanistan was near unanimous because anyone who opposed it was labeled unpatriotic or sympathetic to the enemy. same with iraq. trust me, i was out there protesting both of them and i know from expeerience and i can't tell you how many times i was told on this very message board to get the fuck out of america. congress faced the same thing, and if someone spoke out against it they got railroaded.
the dem's problem was that they were spineless. they rolled over to whatever bush wanted to do. "you want to go to war?? i don't agree but knock yourself out" is no way for an opposition party to be.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The wars were pretty much unanimous. There's a board member that can probably tell you the handful of Congresspeople that didn't approve them
To your earlier point - that is our government, and quite honestly, I wouldn't want it any other way (Well, maybe slightly different, but they did a pretty damn good jobs constructing the thing a couple hundred years ago). I know you don't like hearing this, but it does fall directly at Obama's leadership skills. If he was a better leader, I'm sure he could have gotten stuff to the floor. Congress is very rarely the President's party (which is Exhibit A of how our gov't is superior to most others that elect their Prime Minister via the "ruling" party). And the parties have ALWAYS been at odds. Bush figured out how to work with the opposition. Clinton figured out how to do it. They didn't always get their way. And that ultimately is where Obama is failing. He thinks if they don't do what he wants, they are to blame. That's poor leadership 101.
EDIT: If he were a corporate CEO, we would have bailed out his company, paid him a huge bonus and fired his ass 3 years ago.
afghanistan was near unanimous because anyone who opposed it was labeled unpatriotic or sympathetic to the enemy. same with iraq. trust me, i was out there protesting both of them and i know from expeerience and i can't tell you how many times i was told on this very message board to get the fuck out of america. congress faced the same thing, and if someone spoke out against it they got railroaded.
the dem's problem was that they were spineless. they rolled over to whatever bush wanted to do. "you want to go to war?? i don't agree but knock yourself out" is no way for an opposition party to be.
Your first paragraph is a cop out (not for you, but the Democrats or whoever SAYS they felt that way).
The 2nd part I agree with 100% - and why I'm glad the Republicans are doing what they are doing (except showing a lack of a spine in raising taxes while ALSO increasing spending. :? ).
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
yeah it'll be real funny the republicans will get blamed for the failures of obamacare
classic liberals are the infant party they need to grow up and take responsibility
for themselves as individuals and for the mistakes their party makes
got some words for the elephants too I'm saving them for a rainy day
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the republicans even caused our credit rating to fall by opposing raising the debt ceiling to make a payment on the debt that they already had racked up.
you don't have to take my word for it. how else did they become known as the grand obstructionist party??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Classic!!! It's Bush's fault then, and the Congress fault now. The debt started piling up with a heavily Democratic/liberal Congress. The Republicans in the House are now trying to put a stop to it. You can't have it both ways. You can't blame the President when it's convenient for your narrative, then the House when it's convenient.
The deficit IS Congress' fault. 100% agree with you. Unfortunately, you have the wrong time line. Being obstructionist is not such a bad thing when the other side is completely out of control.
these are facts.
by the way, who put 2 fucking wars on the credit card and left them out of the budget?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
This is going to have a very significant impact on low income households. Going from 37 to 27 hours a week is a big deal.
The wars were pretty much unanimous. There's a board member that can probably tell you the handful of Congresspeople that didn't approve them
To your earlier point - that is our government, and quite honestly, I wouldn't want it any other way (Well, maybe slightly different, but they did a pretty damn good jobs constructing the thing a couple hundred years ago). I know you don't like hearing this, but it does fall directly at Obama's leadership skills. If he was a better leader, I'm sure he could have gotten stuff to the floor. Congress is very rarely the President's party (which is Exhibit A of how our gov't is superior to most others that elect their Prime Minister via the "ruling" party). And the parties have ALWAYS been at odds. Bush figured out how to work with the opposition. Clinton figured out how to do it. They didn't always get their way. And that ultimately is where Obama is failing. He thinks if they don't do what he wants, they are to blame. That's poor leadership 101.
EDIT: If he were a corporate CEO, we would have bailed out his company, paid him a huge bonus and fired his ass 3 years ago.
Yes. And that is due to the poor construct of the bill. We are putting people out of work so our names can go down in history. :roll: 100% Foreseeable result.
Something can be worse than nothing.
The cutesy nicknames (Grand Obstructionist Party) are used when there is no other way to attack or defend.
A lot of people refer to Democrats as Rats, because of the perception that they exsist by living off of others....some do, a lot don't.
This really isn't the governments fault, it's ours. We've decided to pick a side and stick to it, not because of what they stand for but because people don't want to admit when they are wrong, or when their guy is wrong. It's easier , and that's what the 'new America' is about, fast, easy and with as little effort as possible.
afghanistan was near unanimous because anyone who opposed it was labeled unpatriotic or sympathetic to the enemy. same with iraq. trust me, i was out there protesting both of them and i know from expeerience and i can't tell you how many times i was told on this very message board to get the fuck out of america. congress faced the same thing, and if someone spoke out against it they got railroaded.
the dem's problem was that they were spineless. they rolled over to whatever bush wanted to do. "you want to go to war?? i don't agree but knock yourself out" is no way for an opposition party to be.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Your first paragraph is a cop out (not for you, but the Democrats or whoever SAYS they felt that way).
The 2nd part I agree with 100% - and why I'm glad the Republicans are doing what they are doing (except showing a lack of a spine in raising taxes while ALSO increasing spending. :? ).
classic
for themselves as individuals and for the mistakes their party makes
got some words for the elephants too I'm saving them for a rainy day