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lukin2006 wrote:NHL lockout: Team Canada filled with uncertainty prior to world junior championships: Cox
http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nh ... nships-cox
The loss of defenceman Ryan Murray to shoulder surgery notwithstanding, Canada’s national junior team could, in theory, still ice the most powerful squad next month in Russia it’s been able to cobble together since 2005 in Grand Forks, the last time the NHL was locked out.
On the other hand, if the NHL were to strike a deal with the NHL Players’ Association in the very near future, Team Canada would probably be seriously weakened as top juniors headed to NHL camps.
Then there’s the in-between, the gray area.
What happens if the Canadian junior team begins its selection game Dec. 10 in Calgary, and then the NHL lockout ends?
It could get a little messy.
Normally, at least in recent years, the rule has been that once a player is loaned to the junior team by his NHL club, he’s there from the beginning of camp to the end of the tournament. It’s been this way ever since Eric Lindros, Trevor Kidd and Kimbi Daniels were airlifted into Germany just a few days before the beginning of the ’92 tournament and the result was a disaster.
But this year’s lockout might force Canada to rethink those rules, at least if it wants to try and send the best team possible to Ufa, having already seen the impressive quality of the Russian entry during the recent CHL Super Series.
The primary problem may revolve around Edmonton Oilers centre Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.
Even after playing in the NHL last season, RNH is still eligible for the world juniors. Right now, he and other Oiler prospects are ripping it up with the Oklahoma City Barons of the AHL, but there seems to be a sense Nugent-Hopkins could be made available to Team Canada.
However, that might come with a condition, specifically that if the NHL lockout ends before Canada’s first game against Germany on Dec. 26, the Oilers would have the choice of yanking Nugent-Hopkins back for full-time NHL duty. Technically, Canada would still have time to summon a replacement, but it would surely be a major distraction.
Theoretically, Canada could be awfully strong down the middle with RNH, Mark Scheifele, Jonathan Huberdeau and Ryan Strome, not to mention 17-year-old Nathan MacKinnon of the Halifax Mooseheads. If the NHL were to start up before the selection camp, the guessing is that Nugent-Hopkins, Scheifele, Huberdeau and Strome would be NHL bound, at least temporariliy.
However, if they attend the selection camp, right now the speculation is that all would stay regardless of the NHL labour situations with the exception of Nugent-Hopkins.
So if you’re Kevin Prendergast and Steve Spott, do you take RNH knowing you might lose him on the eve of the tournament, and knowing it could set a precedent for the future?
Or do you forge ahead with the selection camp without him knowing that it’s possible the NHL might not solve its lockout woes before Dec. 26 and he might have been available all along?
It’s a tricky call, particularly knowing that if special consideration is given to the Oilers in terms of being able to pull Nugent-Hopkins back, it might be difficult to deny the Boston Bruins the same rights with Dougie Hamilton, or Carolina with Ryan Murphy, or the Maple Leafs with Morgan Rielly.
Every time the NHL shuts down there’s the potential of a big upside for Canada’s national junior team. This time, however, it could come with serious complications.Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
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That Canada team will be stacked.
Dougie Hamilton belongs in the NHL. Strome is pretty close.0 -
I have no we'll be stacked ... either with the NHL or without ...we'll still send a good team.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
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MayDay10 wrote:Strome is pretty close.Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
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Gary Carter wrote:MayDay10 wrote:Strome is pretty close.
I have seen him 5 times this season. He looks very good. Its tough to tell the "conversion factor" with forwards though. He isnt as dominant as Dougie Hamilton appears. He almost certainly will be on the Islanders. A number of other NHL teams Im not sure.
The Islanders have another interesting player on Niagara: Jesse Graham. He is kind of a stay at home defenseman, but is decent 2-ways... but he is small, too small for a non-Phil Housley-type D-Man IMO. Very talented though. They had to move him to C for a game due to injuries and he looked decent as a C.0 -
One of my favourite things about the world junior is Pierre McGuire ... as he's analyzing a game he often mention so and so belongs to this team and that team (and such and such a team will be so much better)... then you never hear from them again
, being good in junior doesn't necessarily carry to the NHL ... it's always interesting to see who makes the jump ... I like hearing about the intangibles, the guy that works harder in practice, works hard in the weight room on conditioning,etc., to me those guy stand a better than average chance at being successful ... A lot of these guys have the skill ...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
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Shut the CHiefs down and move them to Florida.0
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Worth a lot of $$$ in the board room, not worth a damn on the ice. In a months time they may still be in 1st place
, thats an accomplishment
. They may eventually become the loveable leafs.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nh ... n/1732209/
Forbes: Toronto Maple Leafs are worth $1 billion
NEW YORK (AP) — The Toronto Maple Leafs are the first NHL team worth $1 billion, according to Forbes magazine.
The Leafs, who have not won a Stanley Cup since 1967, are worth $250 million more than the next most valuable franchise, the New York Rangers. The Montreal Canadiens are worth $575 million.
The least valuable of the 30 teams are the St. Louis Blues at $130 million and the Phoenix Coyotes at $134 million.
The Stanley Cup champion Los Angeles Kings are worth $276 million, 10th overall.
MORE: Mediated labor sessions begin
Forbes says the NHL's total revenues were $3.4 billion for the 2011-12 season. Fueled by that 9% increase, the average NHL team is worth $282 million, 18% more than a year ago.
With the players locked out by owners, the NHL already has canceled 422 regular-season games. Forbes reports that 13 teams lost money last season.
The Leafs, Rangers (last Stanley Cup in 1994) and Canadiens (last title in 1993) account for 83% of the league's income, with Toronto the most profitable franchise at $81.9 million, followed by the Rangers at $74 million and Montreal at $51.6 million.
The Winnipeg Jets, in their first season after moving from Atlanta, increased in value by $30 million to $200 million.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
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The Leafs, Rangers (last Stanley Cup in 1994) and Canadiens (last title in 1993) account for 83% of the league's income, with Toronto the most profitable franchise at $81.9 million, followed by the Rangers at $74 million and Montreal at $51.6 million.
this here is the problem with the nhl.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
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lukin2006 wrote:The Leafs, Rangers (last Stanley Cup in 1994) and Canadiens (last title in 1993) account for 83% of the league's income, with Toronto the most profitable franchise at $81.9 million, followed by the Rangers at $74 million and Montreal at $51.6 million.
this here is the problem with the nhl.
the more rapid fanbases ?For the ones who had a notion, a notion deep inside
That it ain't no sin to be glad you're alive
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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012 ... he-owners/
Should the players accept a Fehr-less meeting with the owners?
Jason Brough
Nov 30, 2012, 12:43 PM EST
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AP
Yesterday, after two days of failed mediation, news broke that NHL commissioner Gary Bettman had proposed to NHLPA chief Donald Fehr that the players and owners get together without Bettman and Fehr in the room.
The idea was that the removal of the two leaders, each of which has drawn the ire of the other side (and that’s putting it lightly), would reduce the animosity at the bargaining table.
At least, that’s how the league sold it.
“We want to find a way to get to a deal,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said. “Nothing else has worked. The commissioner felt that we might as well propose something different. We will see how they respond.”
For fans, the proposal was a welcome one. If that’s the way a deal gets done, do it. (And if that doesn’t work, flip a coin or have an arm wrestle. Anything to end this ridiculous lockout.)
But is it the right move for the players? After all, these are not sophisticated deal-makers; they play hockey for a living. Without Fehr, who’s going to look out for them?
Yahoo!’s Nick Cotsonikas thinks it’s a risk the players have to take.
This smells like a trap. After two sessions with U.S. federal mediators went nowhere, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman made a suggestion Thursday – a meeting between owners and players only.
It seems like a PR move. It seems like another negotiating tactic designed to go around NHL Players’ Association leadership, like when the league gave executives a secret window to explain a proposal to players. It seems like a mismatch – seasoned businessmen vs. hockey players.
But they’ve got to try, at least under certain conditions. Joining the nobles is the only hope for the season. You know what happens if they don’t take this chance?
Nothing.
Ken Campbell of The Hockey News disagrees:
Look for player-friendly owner representatives such as Mario Lemieux and John Davidson to be very prominent in these meetings if they take place. They have an enormous amount of credibility with the players and Lemieux, the NHL likely believes, has an enormous amount of sway over Sidney Crosby. And if a star such as Crosby begins to cave, then perhaps others will follow.
Which is why, from this corner, it makes very little sense for the players to allow this to happen. They hired Fehr precisely to do what he has done so far to the owners and it has been a brilliant tactic. And as far as the players have been concerned, Fehr has been the equivalent of the Pied Piper of Hamelin, constantly being flanked by grim looking superstars at every photo opportunity.
Dealing directly with owners has always represented an enormous disadvantage for the players. That’s why they have agents to negotiate their contracts for them. And that’s why they have Fehr to do their dirty work for them.
The NHLPA has yet to accept or decline the league’s offer.
If it does accept, the next step would be determining the format of the meeting, as well as who’s invited.
“It might be helpful if we can get some other owners in the room,” Pittsburgh forward Craig Adams told the Post-Gazette.
(Translation: Owners besides Jeremy Jacobs, Ted Leonsis, Murray Edwards and Craig Leipold.)
If it declines, the next step may be decertification.For the ones who had a notion, a notion deep inside
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for sure a trap ... the owners are essentially all made up of lawyers and such ... if the players can bring key agents in - that might shift the balance a bit ...
if any side wants to win the PR war ... agree to binding arbitration ...0 -
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Anyone expecting anything to come out of this meeting today??? I'm not expecting shit, but I pray that I am wrong.0
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Indifference71 wrote:Anyone expecting anything to come out of this meeting today??? I'm not expecting shit, but I pray that I am wrong.
i don't think anything will happen until january ... the real d-day for the season ...
it's basically come down to this ... bettman has promised the owners that he can break the union and have them cave ... the nhlpa will have to prove it won't break for the owners to move ... without any immediate urgency (deadline) - it's all posturing now to see who blinks first ...
fehr has one thing going for him ... the absolute loathing the players have for bettman now ... and the reality is that he presents himself as someone who can be hated on pretty good ... so, that's where i think we are at ...0 -
Gary Bettman is wasting his talents as an ineffective leader, his unlikable personality, his lack of foresight and concern for the future, his inability to connect with those he works for, and his general disregard for success in the NHL.
He should run for U.S. Congress.
He's a perfect fit.
Gary Bettman - US Congress 2014!Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Jason P wrote:Gary Bettman is wasting his talents as an ineffective leader, his unlikable personality, his lack of foresight and concern for the future, his inability to connect with those he works for, and his general disregard for success in the NHL.
He should run for U.S. Congress.
He's a perfect fit.
Gary Bettman - US Congress 2014!
haha ... well ... he is a lawyer ... which makes me consider ... of the 4 major sports leagues ... we haven't had any work stoppages in the nfl and mlb in a long time ... both commissioned by non-lawyers ... meanwhile - the nba and nhl commissioned by lawyers have seen persistent disruptions in the game ... :problem: :think:0 -
So things look a little more positive this morning. I still think we get hockey this year. The question is does Fuhr and bettman keep their positions if the deal is struck without them?
I think Bettman does but i think Fuhr leaves and his brother gets the job0 -
fife wrote:So things look a little more positive this morning. I still think we get hockey this year. The question is does Fuhr and bettman keep their positions if the deal is struck without them?
I think Bettman does but i think Fuhr leaves and his brother gets the job
If a deal happens with these 2 jerkoffs not in the room, then they should both be gone. What purpose do they serve if they can't help get a deal done??0 -
Ho hum:
http://www.npr.org/2012/12/05/166546012/talks-resume-in-nation-hockey-league-dispute
That jerk professor totally teaches at my alma mater. I beg to differ - Dallas does have a hockey culture.drivingrl: "Will I ever get to meet Gwen Stefani?"
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