POPULATION CONTROL

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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    brianlux wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    OK, this thing has turned in a weird and fucked up direction.

    And I really don't think it's about "left" and "right" at this point.

    This thread was joke from the beginning ... ridiculous if you ask me ...

    I agree. I make a motion we move on.
    Second
  • riotgrlriotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,892
    _ wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    This thread was joke from the beginning ... ridiculous if you ask me ...

    I agree. I make a motion we move on.
    Second

    It's too bad that this thread was a joke because I think it is a worthwhile topic to discuss. I'll leave everyone with a positive way to help. http://www.kiva.org/start This is a wondeful organization that I have donated to in the past that only costs $25. It's a loan to help men and women start their own business. While you can help someone in the US the vast majority of the people needing help are women in the developing world. Help empower women around the world and we won't have to make ridiculous claims that amount to advocating genocide.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,211
    Jurassic Park without fences. Clone some t-Rexs and velociraptors and let them loose.
    At least it would make my morning commute a little more fun.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,211
    This thread (and a few of the others on here today) reminded me of a quote I recently heard.

    "Scientists say the first persons to be 150 years old is already born."

    :shock:
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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    This thread (and a few of the others on here today) reminded me of a quote I recently heard.

    "Scientists say the first persons to be 150 years old is already born."

    :shock:
    I have a hard time believing that, for reasons related to the concepts under discussion in brianlux's Fermi's Paradox thread. Unfortunately I don't have any scientific support for it; it just seems like there HAS to be some kind of a cap, right? There has to be some sort of non-arbitrary limit to how long all the microscopic cells that make up a human being can continue chugging along.

    ...but then again I'm sure people in the 18th century would have a hard time believing the number of people that are still functional and capable at 90 years old today, so who knows.
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,211
    MotoDC wrote:
    This thread (and a few of the others on here today) reminded me of a quote I recently heard.

    "Scientists say the first persons to be 150 years old is already born."

    :shock:
    I have a hard time believing that, for reasons related to the concepts under discussion in brianlux's Fermi's Paradox thread. Unfortunately I don't have any scientific support for it; it just seems like there HAS to be some kind of a cap, right? There has to be some sort of non-arbitrary limit to how long all the microscopic cells that make up a human being can continue chugging along.

    ...but then again I'm sure people in the 18th century would have a hard time believing the number of people that are still functional and capable at 90 years old today, so who knows.

    Good point. I do like to think there's some kind of cap, otherwise, this planet is definitely screwed. It reminds me a little of a scientist I spoke with about biomechanics and baseball pitching. They speculate that it will be extremely rare for pitchers to exceed 100-105 mph even well into the future simply because of the laws of physics related to the human body and the tendons that absorb pressure from the motion of pitching. But will our bodies evolve?
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  • My take:
    Just as we are a complex organism made up of a whole host of other "forms" of "life" ... cells, organs, etc all working discreetly, yet together ... we even have co-evolved species of discreet life that is not "us" inside of us ... types of bacteria etc that are their "own things" but that we require to function properly ...

    so too is the earth itself ... again (as per the Fermi thread) not in some silly metaphorical sense ... but LITERALLY ... its own discreet organism ... and we, ourselves ... in proper scale ... are part of that organism, just as other cells and life forms are part of US ...

    Sure, we can do things to help or hinder the proper development of the earth ...
    but like the human body has it's own homeostatic mechanisms ... so too does "mother" "earth" ... and she is perfectly more than capable of destroying, of her own volition, those organisms which pose a threat to her.

    I don't think population control will be necessary if things get THAT out of balance (and i understand that they are arguably headed that way) because the reality of the situation is (ugly though it may be in the constricted human reference frame) that Mother Earth herself will do her own house cleaning to survive.

    The anasazi cut down all their forests ... and mother nature took care of them.
    The mayans, in all likelyhood, outstripped the living capacity of their land, and mother nature(we now know for certain) took care of them with decades long drought.

    It will be the same for us.
    We are little more than (at our worst) malformed cells in the body of the earth, which she is more than capable of "recycling" if needed.

    Of course, it is still our choice as free-willed beings to re-submit to the body of mother earth, or force her to reenter homeostasis violently, and at our own peril.
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    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,592
    My take:
    Just as we are a complex organism made up of a whole host of other "forms" of "life" ... cells, organs, etc all working discreetly, yet together ... we even have co-evolved species of discreet life that is not "us" inside of us ... types of bacteria etc that are their "own things" but that we require to function properly ...

    so too is the earth itself ... again (as per the Fermi thread) not in some silly metaphorical sense ... but LITERALLY ... its own discreet organism ... and we, ourselves ... in proper scale ... are part of that organism, just as other cells and life forms are part of US ...

    Sure, we can do things to help or hinder the proper development of the earth ...
    but like the human body has it's own homeostatic mechanisms ... so too does "mother" "earth" ... and she is perfectly more than capable of destroying, of her own volition, those organisms which pose a threat to her.

    I don't think population control will be necessary if things get THAT out of balance (and i understand that they are arguably headed that way) because the reality of the situation is (ugly though it may be in the constricted human reference frame) that Mother Earth herself will do her own house cleaning to survive.

    The anasazi cut down all their forests ... and mother nature took care of them.
    The mayans, in all likelyhood, outstripped the living capacity of their land, and mother nature(we now know for certain) took care of them with decades long drought.

    It will be the same for us.
    We are little more than (at our worst) malformed cells in the body of the earth, which she is more than capable of "recycling" if needed.

    Of course, it is still our choice as free-willed beings to re-submit to the body of mother earth, or force her to reenter homeostasis violently, and at our own peril.

    This is an excellent summation of what is often referred to as Gaia theory, Drifting, the idea that the planet is a living organism. We've discussed population/birth control here but it seems to me that what we need is to control ourselves. So my two hope are that we will either learn to control ourselves and live as part of a living planet or, as you suggest, that the earth will clean house and move us on like a harmful virus. This sounds cold hearted and pessimistic but I would rather a world with life and no humans than a dead world with no life. I still doubt the latter but sometimes wonder- could we be a life threatening virus?
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Pull Out!!!
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    Pull Out!!!
    Ha, says the guy with the lesbian porn for an avatar. :mrgreen:
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    MotoDC wrote:
    Pull Out!!!
    Ha, says the guy with the lesbian porn for an avatar. :mrgreen:

    :lol: sometimes i forget
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,121
    Logan's Run

    :geek:
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    riotgrl wrote:

    It's too bad that this thread was a joke because I think it is a worthwhile topic to discuss. I'll leave everyone with a positive way to help. http://www.kiva.org/start This is a wondeful organization that I have donated to in the past that only costs $25. It's a loan to help men and women start their own business. While you can help someone in the US the vast majority of the people needing help are women in the developing world. Help empower women around the world and we won't have to make ridiculous claims that amount to advocating genocide.

    Yes, that's a great organization. Thanks for posting!
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Pull Out!!!

    You know what they call people who use the pulling out method of contraception? Parents.
  • Jason P wrote:
    Logan's Run

    :geek:

    You've dated yourself my running friend! I'm not sure a lot of our friends on this forum know what you're talking about. Have you seen the flick lately? Nostalgia has me watch portions of it... but man... what we used to think was awesome sure isn't nowadays!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,592
    Jason P wrote:
    Logan's Run

    :geek:

    You've dated yourself my running friend! I'm not sure a lot of our friends on this forum know what you're talking about. Have you seen the flick lately? Nostalgia has me watch portions of it... but man... what we used to think was awesome sure isn't nowadays!

    Ah! Great film! Here's to the big 3-0! :lol:
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    _ wrote:
    Pull Out!!!

    You know what they call people who use the pulling out method of contraception? Parents.


    23 years and counting! Perfect :lol:

    Lets say it's 90% effective and everybody did it, That would be enough to solve this problem, which is really the route of all problems in the world.
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