POPULATION CONTROL

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited December 2012
    fear4freedom wrote:
    We need to start with India and China, get rid of many poor, sick, weak and elderly people there first!

    Wow! Now I've really seen it all.

    Thanks for showing us all your true colours.

    Interesting that nobody else picked up on this.

    How about instead of targeting those people that have the lowest carbon footprints, we target the millions of greedy, fat Americans who are polluting our environment and using up the majority of the Worlds natural resources?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux wrote:
    That's because left handed people are humorless. Not to mention stupid and inept...

    ..with the exception of the following:

    Dan Aykroyd
    James Baldwin
    Lenny Bruce
    David Byrne
    Charlie Chaplin
    Kurt Cobain
    Robert DeNiro
    Richard Dreyfuss
    Judy Garland
    Errol Garner
    Whoopie Goldberg
    Goldie Hawn
    Jimi Hendrix
    Diane Keaton
    Helen Keller
    Sandy Koufax
    Paul McCartney
    Shirley MacLaine
    Robert Plant
    Ringo Starr
    Rod Steiger
    Rip Torn
    Eudora Welty
    Ted Williams
    Joanne Woodward

    ...and maybe at least a few million others. ;)
    I'm in there too! ...and would consider some of those up there fine company 8-)
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    riotgrl wrote:
    One of the best ways to control population is to empower women. By empowering women economically, you then achieve your goal without adcovating birth control which may go against their religious, moral, cultural beliefs. By empowering women through economic activity, you give them the means to leave abusive men or to support their kids if they are unable to maintain a living wage, even with a husband. By empowering women, they teach their sons and daughters how to participate in the global and/or local economy which most likely will lead to higher education levels amongst their children which will eventually lead to the CHOICE to limit the number of children they have and you've done it without forcing our cultural, moral, religious, philosophical beliefs on another group.

    WOW I knew we would get some good input, it seems like it took awhile, but this was a great response!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    We need to start with India and China, get rid of many poor, sick, weak and elderly people there first!

    Wow! Now I've really seen it all.

    Thanks for showing us all your true colours.

    Interesting that nobody else picked up on this.

    How about instead of targeting those people that have the lowest carbon footprints, we target the millions of greedy, fat Americans who are polluting our environment and using up the majority of the Worlds natural resources?

    YES YES!!!! I got them in their too, see above where i said rich people who the govt. owes retirements to! That would be a great way for the govt to save money and for the money to go to good causes....such as redistribution of the wealth! NICE
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    We need to start with India and China, get rid of many poor, sick, weak and elderly people there first!

    Wow! Now I've really seen it all.

    Thanks for showing us all your true colours.

    Interesting that nobody else picked up on this.

    How about instead of targeting those people that have the lowest carbon footprints, we target the millions of greedy, fat Americans who are polluting our environment and using up the majority of the Worlds natural resources?

    YES YES!!!! I got them in their too, see above where i said rich people who the govt. owes retirements to! That would be a great way for the govt to save money and for the money to go to good causes....such as redistribution of the wealth! NICE

    So your suggesting a kind of genocide? And you use the world "nice" to defend this? Surely you understand the implications here. Who gets to choose who gets offed? Or is this just another example of right-handed humor?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    OK, this thing has turned in a weird and fucked up direction.

    And I really don't think it's about "left" and "right" at this point.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    hedonist wrote:
    OK, this thing has turned in a weird and fucked up direction.

    And I really don't think it's about "left" and "right" at this point.

    This thread was joke from the beginning ... ridiculous if you ask me ...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    What amazes me is this thread was started by someone who claims he wants less government involvement (unless I'm mistaken), now you'd want the government involved in something like this ... and wasn't a sort of population control tried in WW2.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    lukin2006 wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    OK, this thing has turned in a weird and fucked up direction.

    And I really don't think it's about "left" and "right" at this point.

    This thread was joke from the beginning ... ridiculous if you ask me ...

    I agree. I make a motion we move on.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    hedonist wrote:
    OK, this thing has turned in a weird and fucked up direction.

    And I really don't think it's about "left" and "right" at this point.

    It was never about left and right....it was about finding ways to control the population because if some people are "for it", Im wondering how one can be "for it" yet cannot keep a thread about it going! Its because anyone who is "for it" has to realize that its not realistic. Maybe when they "wake up" they will see that the best way to go about it, is to not think about it at all! Use the time to find innovative ways to help people prosper.....that what we should be doing! That is the opposite of what most environmentalists advocate, and the opposite of what population control buffs advocate! So the point is......dont be a population control advocate......cause its not realistic! Back to the notion that....THE EARTH WILL CLEANSE HERSELF and people will die off when they are ready to die off! OK DONE!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    brianlux wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    OK, this thing has turned in a weird and fucked up direction.

    And I really don't think it's about "left" and "right" at this point.

    This thread was joke from the beginning ... ridiculous if you ask me ...

    I agree. I make a motion we move on.
    Second
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    _ wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    This thread was joke from the beginning ... ridiculous if you ask me ...

    I agree. I make a motion we move on.
    Second

    It's too bad that this thread was a joke because I think it is a worthwhile topic to discuss. I'll leave everyone with a positive way to help. http://www.kiva.org/start This is a wondeful organization that I have donated to in the past that only costs $25. It's a loan to help men and women start their own business. While you can help someone in the US the vast majority of the people needing help are women in the developing world. Help empower women around the world and we won't have to make ridiculous claims that amount to advocating genocide.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Jurassic Park without fences. Clone some t-Rexs and velociraptors and let them loose.
    At least it would make my morning commute a little more fun.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    This thread (and a few of the others on here today) reminded me of a quote I recently heard.

    "Scientists say the first persons to be 150 years old is already born."

    :shock:
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  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    This thread (and a few of the others on here today) reminded me of a quote I recently heard.

    "Scientists say the first persons to be 150 years old is already born."

    :shock:
    I have a hard time believing that, for reasons related to the concepts under discussion in brianlux's Fermi's Paradox thread. Unfortunately I don't have any scientific support for it; it just seems like there HAS to be some kind of a cap, right? There has to be some sort of non-arbitrary limit to how long all the microscopic cells that make up a human being can continue chugging along.

    ...but then again I'm sure people in the 18th century would have a hard time believing the number of people that are still functional and capable at 90 years old today, so who knows.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    MotoDC wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    This thread (and a few of the others on here today) reminded me of a quote I recently heard.

    "Scientists say the first persons to be 150 years old is already born."

    :shock:
    I have a hard time believing that, for reasons related to the concepts under discussion in brianlux's Fermi's Paradox thread. Unfortunately I don't have any scientific support for it; it just seems like there HAS to be some kind of a cap, right? There has to be some sort of non-arbitrary limit to how long all the microscopic cells that make up a human being can continue chugging along.

    ...but then again I'm sure people in the 18th century would have a hard time believing the number of people that are still functional and capable at 90 years old today, so who knows.

    Good point. I do like to think there's some kind of cap, otherwise, this planet is definitely screwed. It reminds me a little of a scientist I spoke with about biomechanics and baseball pitching. They speculate that it will be extremely rare for pitchers to exceed 100-105 mph even well into the future simply because of the laws of physics related to the human body and the tendons that absorb pressure from the motion of pitching. But will our bodies evolve?
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    My take:
    Just as we are a complex organism made up of a whole host of other "forms" of "life" ... cells, organs, etc all working discreetly, yet together ... we even have co-evolved species of discreet life that is not "us" inside of us ... types of bacteria etc that are their "own things" but that we require to function properly ...

    so too is the earth itself ... again (as per the Fermi thread) not in some silly metaphorical sense ... but LITERALLY ... its own discreet organism ... and we, ourselves ... in proper scale ... are part of that organism, just as other cells and life forms are part of US ...

    Sure, we can do things to help or hinder the proper development of the earth ...
    but like the human body has it's own homeostatic mechanisms ... so too does "mother" "earth" ... and she is perfectly more than capable of destroying, of her own volition, those organisms which pose a threat to her.

    I don't think population control will be necessary if things get THAT out of balance (and i understand that they are arguably headed that way) because the reality of the situation is (ugly though it may be in the constricted human reference frame) that Mother Earth herself will do her own house cleaning to survive.

    The anasazi cut down all their forests ... and mother nature took care of them.
    The mayans, in all likelyhood, outstripped the living capacity of their land, and mother nature(we now know for certain) took care of them with decades long drought.

    It will be the same for us.
    We are little more than (at our worst) malformed cells in the body of the earth, which she is more than capable of "recycling" if needed.

    Of course, it is still our choice as free-willed beings to re-submit to the body of mother earth, or force her to reenter homeostasis violently, and at our own peril.
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    My take:
    Just as we are a complex organism made up of a whole host of other "forms" of "life" ... cells, organs, etc all working discreetly, yet together ... we even have co-evolved species of discreet life that is not "us" inside of us ... types of bacteria etc that are their "own things" but that we require to function properly ...

    so too is the earth itself ... again (as per the Fermi thread) not in some silly metaphorical sense ... but LITERALLY ... its own discreet organism ... and we, ourselves ... in proper scale ... are part of that organism, just as other cells and life forms are part of US ...

    Sure, we can do things to help or hinder the proper development of the earth ...
    but like the human body has it's own homeostatic mechanisms ... so too does "mother" "earth" ... and she is perfectly more than capable of destroying, of her own volition, those organisms which pose a threat to her.

    I don't think population control will be necessary if things get THAT out of balance (and i understand that they are arguably headed that way) because the reality of the situation is (ugly though it may be in the constricted human reference frame) that Mother Earth herself will do her own house cleaning to survive.

    The anasazi cut down all their forests ... and mother nature took care of them.
    The mayans, in all likelyhood, outstripped the living capacity of their land, and mother nature(we now know for certain) took care of them with decades long drought.

    It will be the same for us.
    We are little more than (at our worst) malformed cells in the body of the earth, which she is more than capable of "recycling" if needed.

    Of course, it is still our choice as free-willed beings to re-submit to the body of mother earth, or force her to reenter homeostasis violently, and at our own peril.

    This is an excellent summation of what is often referred to as Gaia theory, Drifting, the idea that the planet is a living organism. We've discussed population/birth control here but it seems to me that what we need is to control ourselves. So my two hope are that we will either learn to control ourselves and live as part of a living planet or, as you suggest, that the earth will clean house and move us on like a harmful virus. This sounds cold hearted and pessimistic but I would rather a world with life and no humans than a dead world with no life. I still doubt the latter but sometimes wonder- could we be a life threatening virus?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Pull Out!!!
  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Pull Out!!!
    Ha, says the guy with the lesbian porn for an avatar. :mrgreen:

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