The Death Penalty

Godfather. wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

facts can't be modified. But I digress. Read this and decide for yourselves:


Does the death penalty cost less than life in prison without parole?

http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001000

with out choosing one or the other on this issue it just scares the crap out of me that taking a life(justifible or not) comes down to money and this quote from the artical you posted (great read btw) is even scarrier...

""Executions do not have to cost that much. We could hang them and re-use the rope. No cost! Or we could use firing squads and ask for volunteer firing squad members who would provide their own guns and ammunition. Again, no cost."'

asking for a volunteer to end a life ?...and buy your own bullets ? :shock: this sounds like a Terrontino movie
I don't know about you guy's but there is no frigging way I could volunteer to do this and it makes me wonder about the poeple that would volunteer, what is their motive for doing this ? and that said,I know guy's that have been in war who told that their first kill was no big deal to them while others cried and puked but still it's just baffling to me.

Godfather.

lukin2006 wrote:

Godfather...you'll never win this argument here in the AMT .

I'ver heard it all here...the best 1 I love is that it's cruel...up here in Canada many of the very dangerous are locked away 23 hours a day in a 6 * 9 cell, only allowed reading materials and a pad and paper. So I don't know whats more cruel.

Here we have a few horrific criminals that even videotaped their crimes that are just wasting tax $$$$

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams
(this guy was commander of a huge air base and used to fly around dignitaries around)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Olson
(now deceased...but the Canadian taxpayer provided him fine medical care when he was diagnosed with cancer. This guy a great example of human trash. The government paid him to tell where the victims were...once in prison he became a Royal pain an the ass to the government and his victims family. But you know he has rights.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le2430837/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Shafia

These are just a few examples ... their guilt is not in doubt.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Godfather...you'll never win this argument here in the AMT .

I'ver heard it all here...the best 1 I love is that it's cruel...up here in Canada many of the very dangerous are locked away 23 hours a day in a 6 * 9 cell, only allowed reading materials and a pad and paper. So I don't know whats more cruel.

Here we have a few horrific criminals that even videotaped their crimes that are just wasting tax $$$$

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams
(this guy was commander of a huge air base and used to fly around dignitaries around)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Olson
(now deceased...but the Canadian taxpayer provided him fine medical care when he was diagnosed with cancer. This guy a great example of human trash. The government paid him to tell where the victims were...once in prison he became a Royal pain an the ass to the government and his victims family. But you know he has rights.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le2430837/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Shafia

These are just a few examples ... their guilt is not in doubt.

not everyone here is here to "win". here to discuss.

One of my main points against the death penalty is exactly that: why give them the easy way out? let the bastards rot in jail and hell for 30 years on my dime. I'm fine with that.

DS1119 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Vital tax payer money would be saved. Instead of feeding, clothing, and entertaining this monster for the rest of her life we can just inject her with about a dollars worth of bleach into her artery and call it a day.

Wrong. It costs more to execute someone than to keep them alive in jail.

Well that's some utter bullshit right there.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Godfather...you'll never win this argument here in the AMT .

I'ver heard it all here...the best 1 I love is that it's cruel...up here in Canada many of the very dangerous are locked away 23 hours a day in a 6 * 9 cell, only allowed reading materials and a pad and paper. So I don't know whats more cruel.

Here we have a few horrific criminals that even videotaped their crimes that are just wasting tax $$$$

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams
(this guy was commander of a huge air base and used to fly around dignitaries around)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Olson
(now deceased...but the Canadian taxpayer provided him fine medical care when he was diagnosed with cancer. This guy a great example of human trash. The government paid him to tell where the victims were...once in prison he became a Royal pain an the ass to the government and his victims family. But you know he has rights.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le2430837/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Shafia

These are just a few examples ... their guilt is not in doubt.

not everyone here is here to "win". here to discuss.

One of my main points against the death penalty is exactly that: why give them the easy way out? let the bastards rot in jail and hell for 30 years on my dime. I'm fine with that.

Then... as much as I'd prefer death... can't they rot in prison with all the other folks? Why do we feel the need to protect them in isolation with their cable television, sloppy joes and mail privileges?

We have no problem leaving people who haven't tortured any children to their awful fates in general population, yet we feel it is responsible to provide some 'extra care' for our most obscene offenders.

Why not let fate play out? I know very well the likely outcome of Clifford Olson in general population, but 'protecting him' lies too far on the other end of the pendulum for my way of thinking. We won't execute him for his heinous crimes and we'll 'kick it up a couple of notches' and provide him with 'extra' care and attention to ensure his time in prison is as comfortable as we can make it.

I'm not there with this.

lukin2006 wrote:

So your fine with death as long as the state has no involvement ... but here in Canada ... it is the obligation of the penitentiaries to see that all individuals serve out there sentences. Here in Canada most capital offenders are isolated 23 hours a day.