Billy Corgan makes funny comment about PJ at Winnipeg show

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  • gotsome420
    gotsome420 Posts: 535
    yes, REALLY DUDE. I mean, it depends how you look at it. Does backspacer have some stronger singles? Sure, but Oceania is a more consistent and stronger record as a whole.

    there isn't synth on every song. they played every song live the other night, and it came into play in maybe two songs. that was it. I hate 80's music, and there's one song on Teargarden that is pretty much all synth that I hate just because of that. But in some songs it's tolerable, and may even have a place. It depends if it takes centre stage or if it's just the intro or background in a song as opposed to front and centre, which is what 80's music was, it essentially took the guitar out and put the synth in. GARBAGE.[/quote]

    You make some very good points, the synth is more background music on Oceania rather than replacing guitars, but it still does'nt have a place in any of those songs. I'm sure the album sounds better live than it does on the album like you said but thats probably due to them not having the sythn incorporated in 80% of the songs. Hell even Billy vocals sound stale like he is'nt even into singing his own material anymore. Maybe its just me but thats my take on it. No offence to your opinion though, to each their own.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    gotsome420 wrote:
    You make some very good points, the synth is more background music on Oceania rather than replacing guitars, but it still does'nt have a place in any of those songs. I'm sure the album sounds better live than it does on the album like you said but thats probably due to them not having the sythn incorporated in 80% of the songs. Hell even Billy vocals sound stale like he is'nt even into singing his own material anymore. Maybe its just me but thats my take on it. No offence to your opinion though, to each their own.

    yeah, it's odd, as he seemed to want so bad to ram this album down everyone's throats, but he didn't seem into it at ALL until they finished that portion of the show and got into the classics. maybe he's even rethinking this decision to play it front to back live, as he does with most of his decisions.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Kathi wrote:
    the gig in vienna last year was decent, but the first and only time he adressed the audience was when they came out for the encore. so it's either bitchfest or the silent treatment these days...not sure which I prefer. I appreciate the record club, the re-issues and other things he installed nowadays, but this is just not MY band anymore. SP were my favorite for most of my teenage years, so this sort of hurts, but he has a bad case of axl rose syndrome.

    actually, live the other night, except for his "don't hurt anyone by crowd surfing" and "wake the fuck up" rants that seemed to contradict one another, he was incredibly humble and thankful towards the crowd the whole night. it was a side of him I had not seen before.

    maybe he was grateful for the 3,000 people that actually showed up to a 13,000 seat venue. :lol:
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  • TheGossman
    TheGossman Posts: 1,120
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    On October 2nd at the Pumpkins show, Billy got tired of seeing people crowd-surfing, so just as Zero was about to get underway, he yelled at the band to stop, and he addressed the crowd, and I'm paraphrasing:

    "Back in 1994, there was a network called MTV that used to play music videos. I was doing an interview and I was talking about how crowd surfing is so old and dated already. I don't want anyone to get hurt. I know everyone wants to have their Pearl Jam moment, but the next person that comes over the wall gets turfed. That shit is so old. I want everyone to go home safe.”

    :lol:

    Oh Billy, you never get old!

    isn't he the same guy that cried in front of his hometown crowd last year because nobody was getting into his music? He should be glad people still go see his smashing pumpkins cover band
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    uninnocent- wrote:
    If the music being played merits crowdsurfing, it'll happen. Zero is definitely a song I would associate with crowdsurfing. I rarely, if ever, hear of a crowdsurfing-related injury, other than a scrape or bruise. I haven't done it in years, but music brings out primal urges in people, and as long as it's not hurting anyone/seriously disrupting the show, I'll accept it.

    I got kicked in the face by a crowdsurfer one time and I fuckin loved it. Billy would complain about a blowjob. Lost my buddy's Budweiser hat when I got kicked and after all of us getting separated during the show we meet back up after the show and his nephew somehow ended up with the hat.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Mamasan23 wrote:
    :fp:

    Speaking of getting old...the Pumpkins.....


    I digress!

    Oceania > Backspacer

    I agree. Billy C does seem more inspired these days than just about any other musician from the 90s. I don't even mind the synth that much. Do I wish he was writing more stuff with the crushing guitar of Gish more often. Hell yeah!! But on the other hand I'd rather him be honest than force something he's not feeling. Do wish he'd get Jimmy C back. His drumming could take Oceania to another level.

    Some pretty funny Billy insults so far :clap:

    "Despite all my rage I'm still just a......bitch" is my favorite.
  • MaxGoldenrod
    MaxGoldenrod Posts: 1,341
    Jeremys Spoken wrote:
    Despite all his rage he still just a

    bitch

    :lol::lol::lol:
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  • gotsome420
    gotsome420 Posts: 535
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    gotsome420 wrote:
    You make some very good points, the synth is more background music on Oceania rather than replacing guitars, but it still does'nt have a place in any of those songs. I'm sure the album sounds better live than it does on the album like you said but thats probably due to them not having the sythn incorporated in 80% of the songs. Hell even Billy vocals sound stale like he is'nt even into singing his own material anymore. Maybe its just me but thats my take on it. No offence to your opinion though, to each their own.

    yeah, it's odd, as he seemed to want so bad to ram this album down everyone's throats, but he didn't seem into it at ALL until they finished that portion of the show and got into the classics. maybe he's even rethinking this decision to play it front to back live, as he does with most of his decisions.

    You know what i respect him for playing it back to front live. However even on the album his vocals dont sound like they are in the same state of mind as the guy who wrote the songs. (He was bored with what he made by the time he recorded)
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,029
    Billy Corgan is a bit of a doofus these days. He got weird(er) and not in a good way.

    I think the new album is only okay at best. Not good enough for me to buy .... but man, I played Mellon Collie until it was worn out. I don't think of the SP as a relevant or even a likeable band anymore though... just my own feeling about them.
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  • dlymnfld
    dlymnfld CT Posts: 923
    I used to love the Smashing Pumpkins. But I saw them right after D'arcy Wretzky left the band. Corrigan's voice was so exposed without D'arcy backing him on vocals. I don't know if he had the other female singers help in this area in the future because I never saw them again. The simple facts of why Pearl Jam is still relevant and SP isn't is that PJ remained a band and the Pumpkins didn't. I am sure if Pumpkins still had D"arcy, James Iha and Chamberlain (is he still with the band?) they would have much more fans. That being said, Siamese Dream was a great album.
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  • Red Mosquito75
    Red Mosquito75 Moline IL Posts: 1,038
    I would think every band would want their PJ moment-being one of the greatest rock bands of the last 20 yrs. The pumpkins were pretty good but Billy Corgan is just looking for a pub grab.
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  • PillowPants
    PillowPants Posts: 4,877
    what a douchenozzle

    him and courtney love should get together

    and drive off a cliff

    it's over lul Billy
    they're playing a saturday night in boston and there and tons of tix available ... i should go and just hold up a PJ sign :)
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Red Mosquito75 wrote:
    I would think every band would want their PJ moment-being one of the greatest rock bands of the last 20 yrs. The pumpkins were pretty good but Billy Corgan is just looking for a pub grab.

    he was talking about the fans having their PJ moment, not the band.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    dlymnfld wrote:
    I used to love the Smashing Pumpkins. But I saw them right after D'arcy Wretzky left the band. Corrigan's voice was so exposed without D'arcy backing him on vocals. I don't know if he had the other female singers help in this area in the future because I never saw them again. The simple facts of why Pearl Jam is still relevant and SP isn't is that PJ remained a band and the Pumpkins didn't. I am sure if Pumpkins still had D"arcy, James Iha and Chamberlain (is he still with the band?) they would have much more fans. That being said, Siamese Dream was a great album.

    I still don't know what it means to be "relevant" when people say that, but I'd say most people who are not pearl jam fans like we are also say the same thing about them. 90% of the people who loved Ten didn't know they were still together until Backspacer and all the promotion that was done.

    I just don't see the Pumpkins playing any corporate gigs or making walmart commercials (nothing wrong with that, but I'm just saying).
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  • PillowPants
    PillowPants Posts: 4,877
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I still don't know what it means to be "relevant" when people say that, but I'd say most people who are not pearl jam fans like we are also say the same thing about them. 90% of the people who loved Ten didn't know they were still together until Backspacer and all the promotion that was done.

    I just don't see the Pumpkins playing any corporate gigs or making walmart commercials (nothing wrong with that, but I'm just saying).

    You know why you don't see those things happening for the Pumpkins ... because no one is asking them to do it
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,935
    Mamasan23 wrote:
    :fp:

    Speaking of getting old...the Pumpkins.....


    I digress!



    So old. I wish Billy would just go away.
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,553
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    dlymnfld wrote:
    I used to love the Smashing Pumpkins. But I saw them right after D'arcy Wretzky left the band. Corrigan's voice was so exposed without D'arcy backing him on vocals. I don't know if he had the other female singers help in this area in the future because I never saw them again. The simple facts of why Pearl Jam is still relevant and SP isn't is that PJ remained a band and the Pumpkins didn't. I am sure if Pumpkins still had D"arcy, James Iha and Chamberlain (is he still with the band?) they would have much more fans. That being said, Siamese Dream was a great album.

    I still don't know what it means to be "relevant" when people say that, but I'd say most people who are not pearl jam fans like we are also say the same thing about them. 90% of the people who loved Ten didn't know they were still together until Backspacer and all the promotion that was done.

    I just don't see the Pumpkins playing any corporate gigs or making walmart commercials (nothing wrong with that, but I'm just saying).

    Not to turn this into a Billy vs. Eddie debate, but the people on this board don't realize how close Eddie is to jumping the shark and becoming Billy's equal. Oceania is a solid album, it flows much better than Backspacer and there are parts of brilliance that resemble Pumpkins of old. Nothing on Backspacer or Avacado for that fact remind me why I loved PJ in the first place. Billy turned grumpy and started insulting his fans, Ed put on a suit, grabbed a Uke and started hanging out with all the people his old, powerful songs were written about. Not much difference if you look closely.....
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I still don't know what it means to be "relevant" when people say that, but I'd say most people who are not pearl jam fans like we are also say the same thing about them. 90% of the people who loved Ten didn't know they were still together until Backspacer and all the promotion that was done.

    I just don't see the Pumpkins playing any corporate gigs or making walmart commercials (nothing wrong with that, but I'm just saying).

    I'd say "relevant" means that people still care about what's going on with them, or how much other bands look at them as an influence. PJ's relevance has stemmed from their popularity as a live act for well over a decade now.

    I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with the commercials, but it is kinda sad that PJ kinda flushed some of their past stances down the toilet and it hasn't really gained them anything.
  • PillowPants
    PillowPants Posts: 4,877
    ofthegirl99 wrote:
    Not to turn this into a Billy vs. Eddie debate, but the people on this board don't realize how close Eddie is to jumping the shark and becoming Billy's equal. Oceania is a solid album, it flows much better than Backspacer and there are parts of brilliance that resemble Pumpkins of old. Nothing on Backspacer or Avacado for that fact remind me why I loved PJ in the first place. Billy turned grumpy and started insulting his fans, Ed put on a suit, grabbed a Uke and started hanging out with all the people his old, powerful songs were written about. Not much difference if you look closely.....

    i agree with you that ed is severly contradicting his younger self...

    but i differ in my reaction to it... he's doing what he wants to do... who doesn't want to live life that way??

    i'd also argue that backspacer didn't sound like ten or vs or riot act because they didn't want it to
  • DFBrooks
    DFBrooks Posts: 84
    Dude's a tool. Basically.
    I got id

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