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  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    Obama lives in one of the biggest houses in the world, the idea they would know what its like to be an unemployed and frustrated beyond belief 20 something, or an unemployed 50 something, or 60 something for that matter, is asking for something that will never be.

    I personally think college should be free. I was watching Ides of March the other night and was struck by the idea proposed in the movie of requiring all 18 year olds, or college students to serve our country, via military or peacecorp, or volunteering the community. In exchange youd get your education paid for.

    I
    I don't agree with the first point, but I agree with the second. In many European countries, that is the way it is. And, that will surely force an 18/19 year old to grow up rather quickly and gain some perspective. How much can you grow going from your insulated hometown directly to a college campus?
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,853
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    By the end of the speech there was so much bullshit on the stage that a whole crop of corn grew right there and the proceedings had to be stopped while they got the two black men in the room to clean that mess up.

    Paul Ryan lied, mislead and blamed the president for things that were actually Paul Ryan's own fuck-ups that I'm amazed his nose didn't grow four inches.

    But to look at the crowd... they LOVED it.

    I loved seeing the people dancing in the audience when they starting playing music after the speech...bunch of stiff people with no groove...reminded me of a Young Republican singles mixer...oh, wait...thats what it was!
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    whygohome wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    Obama lives in one of the biggest houses in the world, the idea they would know what its like to be an unemployed and frustrated beyond belief 20 something, or an unemployed 50 something, or 60 something for that matter, is asking for something that will never be.

    I personally think college should be free. I was watching Ides of March the other night and was struck by the idea proposed in the movie of requiring all 18 year olds, or college students to serve our country, via military or peacecorp, or volunteering the community. In exchange youd get your education paid for.

    I
    I don't agree with the first point, but I agree with the second. In many European countries, that is the way it is. And, that will surely force an 18/19 year old to grow up rather quickly and gain some perspective. How much can you grow going from your insulated hometown directly to a college campus?

    I don't think it should be free to be honest. what will happen if they are free is that the colleges will face massive funding crises

    what should be done is that college education is subsidized as well as putting together a loan system similar to the system in the u.k. that way graduates leave college with some debt but not massively outrageous debt and colleges also don't face too much of a funding shortfall

    in ireland fees are about 2-3 grand a year, while in the uk they go up towards 9 grand. and thats for E.U. Students, they are more for students outside the E.U. but still relatively sane compared to the U.S

    Its actually cheaper for my american friends to get their undergraduate degree in ireland than it is to get a degree in some where with a similar ranking in the U.S.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,420
    The following link is The 10 Most Depressing Student Loan Stories. Thank goodness state universities were still somewhat reasonable in the 90's. :?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/depressing-student-loan-stories-2012-9#no-10-rather-than-a-home-mortgage-berkley-graduate-leigh-anne-says-shell-be-making-850month-payments-on-her-student-loan-debt-for-the-next-20-years-theres-nothing-that-me-and-my-boyfriend-would-rather-do-than-to-purchase-a-home-she-says-but-how-am-i-going-to--i-cant-tell-you-how-much-i-wish-i-didnt-go-to-college-1
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    Jason P wrote:
    The following link is The 10 Most Depressing Student Loan Stories. Thank goodness state universities were still somewhat reasonable in the 90's. :?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/depressing-student-loan-stories-2012-9#no-10-rather-than-a-home-mortgage-berkley-graduate-leigh-anne-says-shell-be-making-850month-payments-on-her-student-loan-debt-for-the-next-20-years-theres-nothing-that-me-and-my-boyfriend-would-rather-do-than-to-purchase-a-home-she-says-but-how-am-i-going-to--i-cant-tell-you-how-much-i-wish-i-didnt-go-to-college-1


    disturbing stuff. Its a shame neither Obama or Romney will be addressing people like this during the election, and its one of the main if not the main reason why im not voting for either. Im in debt, and cant find a job, and its pretty shocking no ones doing anything about it. Im more than frustrated about it. But thats electoral politics, its a complete sham and joke.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    The following link is The 10 Most Depressing Student Loan Stories. Thank goodness state universities were still somewhat reasonable in the 90's. :?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/depressing-student-loan-stories-2012-9#no-10-rather-than-a-home-mortgage-berkley-graduate-leigh-anne-says-shell-be-making-850month-payments-on-her-student-loan-debt-for-the-next-20-years-theres-nothing-that-me-and-my-boyfriend-would-rather-do-than-to-purchase-a-home-she-says-but-how-am-i-going-to--i-cant-tell-you-how-much-i-wish-i-didnt-go-to-college-1


    disturbing stuff. Its a shame neither Obama or Romney will be addressing people like this during the election, and its one of the main if not the main reason why im not voting for either. Im in debt, and cant find a job, and its pretty shocking no ones doing anything about it. Im more than frustrated about it. But thats electoral politics, its a complete sham and joke.

    http://www.simpletuition.com/student/ob ... eness.html
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    disturbing stuff. Its a shame neither Obama or Romney will be addressing people like this during the election, and its one of the main if not the main reason why im not voting for either. Im in debt, and cant find a job, and its pretty shocking no ones doing anything about it. Im more than frustrated about it. But thats electoral politics, its a complete sham and joke.[/quote]

    http://www.simpletuition.com/student/ob ... eness.html[/quote]


    I wasnt aware of this. But it seems to only superfically address the issues. What it seems to suggest is that if you started paying loans off at age 20, by age 40 you wont have to pay anymore. That doesnt address the people who are having to pay loans off currently.

    Second, the issues that need to be discussed in deeper detail are:

    the rising cost of college and community college tuition and books despite the state of the economy'

    the abundancy of loans as opposed to grants. And when either are dispursed out, both are usually for small amounts, meaning you can't live off, pay rent, buy groceries with the money as its too small, which is a problem. Its usually a few thousand for the entire school year, and that just barely covers tuition and books

    the lack of jobs in any sector of the economy.

    the troubling and mindboggling thing that awaits all 20 year olds nowadays-the experience question. You cant get a job unless you have experience at it. They arent hiring inexperienced people for jobs. They dont want to train people. They want people out of the gate who know what they are doing. But the problem arises of, if you cant even get offered a job without having multiple years experience, how in the world can you gain that experience?

    I'd like to see more done to address these issues today or tomorrow. Not 20 years down the road. people are struggling right now.

    I think the main failure of obamas presidency was the complete lack of forsight and knowledge in terms of the economy and what should be done. It doesnt take a Harvard graduate to know we need to put people to work. And there are many ways to do that. For years ive advocated a New new Deal. Or what I suggested weeks prior, requiring all people of a certain age to serve the country, in military, or volunteer/peace corp capacity, and then in payment they'd get either their college funded for or maybe a grant or something, but something substantial. Obama hasnt done anything in this reguard, nor do I think he will address it in any meaningful way if reelected.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    edited September 2012
    musicismylife78 wrote:


    I wasnt aware of this. But it seems to only superfically address the issues. What it seems to suggest is that if you started paying loans off at age 20, by age 40 you wont have to pay anymore. That doesnt address the people who are having to pay loans off currently.

    Second, the issues that need to be discussed in deeper detail are:

    the rising cost of college and community college tuition and books despite the state of the economy'

    the abundancy of loans as opposed to grants. And when either are dispursed out, both are usually for small amounts, meaning you can't live off, pay rent, buy groceries with the money as its too small, which is a problem. Its usually a few thousand for the entire school year, and that just barely covers tuition and books

    the lack of jobs in any sector of the economy.

    the troubling and mindboggling thing that awaits all 20 year olds nowadays-the experience question. You cant get a job unless you have experience at it. They arent hiring inexperienced people for jobs. They dont want to train people. They want people out of the gate who know what they are doing. But the problem arises of, if you cant even get offered a job without having multiple years experience, how in the world can you gain that experience?

    I'd like to see more done to address these issues today or tomorrow. Not 20 years down the road. people are struggling right now.

    I think the main failure of obamas presidency was the complete lack of forsight and knowledge in terms of the economy and what should be done. It doesnt take a Harvard graduate to know we need to put people to work. And there are many ways to do that. For years ive advocated a New new Deal. Or what I suggested weeks prior, requiring all people of a certain age to serve the country, in military, or volunteer/peace corp capacity, and then in payment they'd get either their college funded for or maybe a grant or something, but something substantial. Obama hasnt done anything in this reguard, nor do I think he will address it in any meaningful way if reelected.

    Dude/dudette, I'm with you, trust me. I have a lot of debt from graduate school and I now currently teach at a university; so, I see the issues form two perspectives. The costs of attending college are ridiculous, especially when you factor in the costs that are beyond tuition. The textbook racket is ridiculous. My students don't grasp it as much as graduate students, because their parents are footing the bill.

    With regards to a new New Deal, look at the opposition to anything Obama has tried to put together. His jobs bill that he presented last year never saw the light of day. The guy is handcuffed. A new Civilian Conservation Corps would be great; an infrastructure bank is a common sense idea; but, nothing can get done in DC these days.
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    thats what i dont really understand about it all, id happily vote for anyone addressing these issues. Someone comes out and says "we are going to deal with jobs and the economy and debt in a real and substantial way", i'd be enthralled. Its just not the case.

    It reminds me of the election in 2004. We were engaged in 2 wars, and instead the main issue of the election was Kerry and Bush's service in Vietnam a war that ended 30 years prior.

    Now in 2012, we're engaged in wars, the economy couldnt be worse, unemployment levels are obscenely high, and the 2 major candidates aren't even addressing it. Neither Romney nor Obama have a plan for dealing with any of it.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    thats what i dont really understand about it all, id happily vote for anyone addressing these issues. Someone comes out and says "we are going to deal with jobs and the economy and debt in a real and substantial way", i'd be enthralled. Its just not the case.

    It reminds me of the election in 2004. We were engaged in 2 wars, and instead the main issue of the election was Kerry and Bush's service in Vietnam a war that ended 30 years prior.

    Now in 2012, we're engaged in wars, the economy couldnt be worse, unemployment levels are obscenely high, and the 2 major candidates aren't even addressing it. Neither Romney nor Obama have a plan for dealing with any of it.

    They do have plans, but they are afraid of losing votes. So, those plans remain quite vague
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    losing votes, i agree thats the way it is, but that isnt the way it should be. Its what turns me off about electoral politics. Both parties are bought and sold by corporations. The american public will lose no matter who wins in november. Thats the sad truth.

    And obama couldnt have gotten more vague than hope and change.

    i hear that line about obama being handcuffed all the time. And its inaccurate. Obama was put in office, almost entirely because the entire country was fed up with everything Bush stood for and did. He was put in office to fight for us, to actually be different. The conversation is muddied because I think Obama never was that different from Bush. Change and Hope tapped brilliantly into the zeitgeist of the time. who in 2008 didnt want someone who would bring change and hope to the white house and the world?

    Obama has all the power in the world. You dont think he could right now, order all troops out of afghanistan and all drones out, shut down gitmo and every other detention center, get rid of warrentless wiretapping and torture, end the drug war etc... you dont think he has the power to do that? He has the highest office in the land.

    Im surprised and not surprised at the lack of outrage among democrats and liberals in terms of obamas record these last 4 years. He'd have my vote eternally if he actually did any of those things I talked about. He wont and hasnt.

    i dont hear too many people singing obamas praises. and the answer to that, isnt to vote him in again and give him 4 more years. he had his shot.
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    its like i said, i look at it like this, im a 20 something graduate, am in debt, and have had a horrific time trying to get a post college job, the ones i have gotten have been minimum wage, thats a real problem, and obama forgiving my debt over a decade from now doesnt do anything at all to help me out. And theres people worse off than me too, people with families, kids, car payments, house payments. they are in the same boat as well with no one at all dealing with these issues. its a sad state of affairs. people should be rioting in the street.

    when people pull the lever in november im not the only person who will be thinking of all these things. it will come down to the economy, and no ones happy about it. and obama will lose because of it

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