Obama Proposes $320 Billion in Medicare and Medicaid Cuts Over 10 Years
Mr. Obama proposed higher premiums and deductibles for many Medicare beneficiaries and lower Medicare payments to teaching hospitals and rural hospitals. He would start charging co-payments to frail homebound older people who receive home health services. And he would reduce the growth of federal payments to states for treating low-income people under Medicaid.......
in case you have not been paying attention, this has to be approved by congress, and everyone knows anything proposed by obama is not going to come to a vote or it is going to be voted down as a way of embarrassing him. keep digging aerial
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
in case you have not been paying attention, this has to be approved by congress, and everyone knows anything proposed by obama is not going to come to a vote or it is going to be voted down as a way of embarrassing him. keep digging aerial
Congress has been very busy this year. Passing something like this would be easy based on all the Post Office renaming laws they've enacted so far. :fp:
Here's a lesson for you folks, never ask usamamasan a straight up question, he just doesn't do that.
He's obviously a fake poster, right? I mean no one can actually be like that can they?
He's exactly like the pom-pom wavers on the other side. They are all one in the same. In fact, there are more on pom-pom wavers on the other side on MT - if you look around. They just don't use the same tools that this particular pom-pom waver does.
This thread is proof of the political football game. At the end of the day, it's true - college grads have it rough right now... youth unemployment sucks.
The employment to population ratio for youths is down from 66% in the late 90s to 54% now. That's not a good sign. So, certainly the pom-poms on both sides can fight about why it's happening. But, it IS happening - as you can see from this chart from bloomberg.
He's obviously a fake poster, right? I mean no one can actually be like that can they?
Sometimes he lets a little piece of personal information out, i've been putting together a picture in my mind, it's kind of like doing a jigsaw puzzle. I believe he is real, but i also believe in bigfoot and aliens are as well.
"Should not have to live out their 20's in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondring when they can move out and get going with life."
"And under my party's plan, they wouldn't be eligible for insurance coverage under their parents' plan, their school loan payments would go up, and we'd take away their unemployment check... Then they can officially 'get going with life'."
At that age most adults want to be independent of their parents I thought. Are there really adults today that want Mommy and Daddy to take of them after 18.
I have a neighbor voting for Obama, the reason? he does not want to lose he's unemployment check that he has been collecting over a year now.
As far as school loans going up, isn't everything else going up. We are all in this together. We should not vote according to our own agendas but vote as to what is best for all Americans. There has to be some give and take......
At that age they want independence and they need support as they become independent. Just like you don't throw your 6 year old on a two wheeler and send them off to "make the best of it" you help your 18 year old make the transition to independent adulthood. Helping to support them (emotionally, financially or otherwise) as they further their education and job skills is part of it.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
im voting ron paul, but that ryan quote did strike a nerve with me even though i wouldnt vote for him nor romney and dont think they plan on doing anything, although that said, ryan and romney both, if im not mistaken have talked about some sort of financial aid thing whereas obama has done nothing in that reguard.
Ultimately, the 20 somethings are the people most hurting in the economy, the unemployment rate of 20 somethings is higher than unemployment rate of the nation as a whole right now. As a college graduate, who graduated 5/6 years ago, I can attest to the fact its nearly impossible to get a job, any job at all right now.
We are the people who should be the focus of both the obama and romney campaigns currently. But we wont be. Nor will either of them do anything to address it, or the countries economic woes when they are elected. After all why would they? all 4 are fabulously and obscenely wealthy politicians, who live in mansions, Obama lives in one of the biggest houses in the world, the idea they would know what its like to be an unemployed and frustrated beyond belief 20 something, or an unemployed 50 something, or 60 something for that matter, is asking for something that will never be.
I personally think college should be free. I was watching Ides of March the other night and was struck by the idea proposed in the movie of requiring all 18 year olds, or college students to serve our country, via military or peacecorp, or volunteering the community. In exchange youd get your education paid for.
Im not holding my breath for either obama or romney to do something about the economy and unemployment of 20 somethings, because they wont.
"Should not have to live out their 20's in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondring when they can move out and get going with life."
"And under my party's plan, they wouldn't be eligible for insurance coverage under their parents' plan, their school loan payments would go up, and we'd take away their unemployment check... Then they can officially 'get going with life'."
At that age most adults want to be independent of their parents I thought. Are there really adults today that want Mommy and Daddy to take of them after 18.
I have a neighbor voting for Obama, the reason? he does not want to lose he's unemployment check that he has been collecting over a year now.
As far as school loans going up, isn't everything else going up. We are all in this together. We should not vote according to our own agendas but vote as to what is best for all Americans. There has to be some give and take......
For many college grads nowadays, they dont have a choice. Moving back in with mom and dad is a necessicity for quite a few people nowadays. I dont have the exact stats, but the number is a significant percentage of college grads. If you cant find a job, and are in debt, and are in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the great depression, makes complete sense you'd have a hard time paying rent, and would need to move back home. Theres been quite a few articles written about this idea in the last few years.
i got a loan for school in the last year or so, so ive been cognizant of the issues around it in the news. You'd think in this climate, schools and the government would be offering a ton of loans. Its the opposite, a ton of people are going back to school, and not as many people are getting loans. The loans they are getting are for books and tuition if that, they dont cover rent or groceries and the like. And you cant just go back to school and take a few classes and get the money and use it as you please. You have to take classes specific to a program. You cant just take art classes or cooking classes, unless you plan on getting a degree in art or are interested in becoming a culinary student. You cant just take any classes you want, if you do, your funds are cut off. Loans in general are small in this climate. And theres been serious discussion in washington about getting rid of the grace period you have, right now, you can defer payment on the loans as long as you are in classes, or if not you have a 6 month grace period, then you start paying. Ive heard thats in serious discussions right now and could change, that you may have to pay back immediately in the near future.
Obama lives in one of the biggest houses in the world, the idea they would know what its like to be an unemployed and frustrated beyond belief 20 something, or an unemployed 50 something, or 60 something for that matter, is asking for something that will never be.
I personally think college should be free. I was watching Ides of March the other night and was struck by the idea proposed in the movie of requiring all 18 year olds, or college students to serve our country, via military or peacecorp, or volunteering the community. In exchange youd get your education paid for.
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I don't agree with the first point, but I agree with the second. In many European countries, that is the way it is. And, that will surely force an 18/19 year old to grow up rather quickly and gain some perspective. How much can you grow going from your insulated hometown directly to a college campus?
By the end of the speech there was so much bullshit on the stage that a whole crop of corn grew right there and the proceedings had to be stopped while they got the two black men in the room to clean that mess up.
Paul Ryan lied, mislead and blamed the president for things that were actually Paul Ryan's own fuck-ups that I'm amazed his nose didn't grow four inches.
I loved seeing the people dancing in the audience when they starting playing music after the speech...bunch of stiff people with no groove...reminded me of a Young Republican singles mixer...oh, wait...thats what it was!
Obama lives in one of the biggest houses in the world, the idea they would know what its like to be an unemployed and frustrated beyond belief 20 something, or an unemployed 50 something, or 60 something for that matter, is asking for something that will never be.
I personally think college should be free. I was watching Ides of March the other night and was struck by the idea proposed in the movie of requiring all 18 year olds, or college students to serve our country, via military or peacecorp, or volunteering the community. In exchange youd get your education paid for.
I
I don't agree with the first point, but I agree with the second. In many European countries, that is the way it is. And, that will surely force an 18/19 year old to grow up rather quickly and gain some perspective. How much can you grow going from your insulated hometown directly to a college campus?
I don't think it should be free to be honest. what will happen if they are free is that the colleges will face massive funding crises
what should be done is that college education is subsidized as well as putting together a loan system similar to the system in the u.k. that way graduates leave college with some debt but not massively outrageous debt and colleges also don't face too much of a funding shortfall
in ireland fees are about 2-3 grand a year, while in the uk they go up towards 9 grand. and thats for E.U. Students, they are more for students outside the E.U. but still relatively sane compared to the U.S
Its actually cheaper for my american friends to get their undergraduate degree in ireland than it is to get a degree in some where with a similar ranking in the U.S.
disturbing stuff. Its a shame neither Obama or Romney will be addressing people like this during the election, and its one of the main if not the main reason why im not voting for either. Im in debt, and cant find a job, and its pretty shocking no ones doing anything about it. Im more than frustrated about it. But thats electoral politics, its a complete sham and joke.
disturbing stuff. Its a shame neither Obama or Romney will be addressing people like this during the election, and its one of the main if not the main reason why im not voting for either. Im in debt, and cant find a job, and its pretty shocking no ones doing anything about it. Im more than frustrated about it. But thats electoral politics, its a complete sham and joke.
disturbing stuff. Its a shame neither Obama or Romney will be addressing people like this during the election, and its one of the main if not the main reason why im not voting for either. Im in debt, and cant find a job, and its pretty shocking no ones doing anything about it. Im more than frustrated about it. But thats electoral politics, its a complete sham and joke.[/quote]
I wasnt aware of this. But it seems to only superfically address the issues. What it seems to suggest is that if you started paying loans off at age 20, by age 40 you wont have to pay anymore. That doesnt address the people who are having to pay loans off currently.
Second, the issues that need to be discussed in deeper detail are:
the rising cost of college and community college tuition and books despite the state of the economy'
the abundancy of loans as opposed to grants. And when either are dispursed out, both are usually for small amounts, meaning you can't live off, pay rent, buy groceries with the money as its too small, which is a problem. Its usually a few thousand for the entire school year, and that just barely covers tuition and books
the lack of jobs in any sector of the economy.
the troubling and mindboggling thing that awaits all 20 year olds nowadays-the experience question. You cant get a job unless you have experience at it. They arent hiring inexperienced people for jobs. They dont want to train people. They want people out of the gate who know what they are doing. But the problem arises of, if you cant even get offered a job without having multiple years experience, how in the world can you gain that experience?
I'd like to see more done to address these issues today or tomorrow. Not 20 years down the road. people are struggling right now.
I think the main failure of obamas presidency was the complete lack of forsight and knowledge in terms of the economy and what should be done. It doesnt take a Harvard graduate to know we need to put people to work. And there are many ways to do that. For years ive advocated a New new Deal. Or what I suggested weeks prior, requiring all people of a certain age to serve the country, in military, or volunteer/peace corp capacity, and then in payment they'd get either their college funded for or maybe a grant or something, but something substantial. Obama hasnt done anything in this reguard, nor do I think he will address it in any meaningful way if reelected.
I wasnt aware of this. But it seems to only superfically address the issues. What it seems to suggest is that if you started paying loans off at age 20, by age 40 you wont have to pay anymore. That doesnt address the people who are having to pay loans off currently.
Second, the issues that need to be discussed in deeper detail are:
the rising cost of college and community college tuition and books despite the state of the economy'
the abundancy of loans as opposed to grants. And when either are dispursed out, both are usually for small amounts, meaning you can't live off, pay rent, buy groceries with the money as its too small, which is a problem. Its usually a few thousand for the entire school year, and that just barely covers tuition and books
the lack of jobs in any sector of the economy.
the troubling and mindboggling thing that awaits all 20 year olds nowadays-the experience question. You cant get a job unless you have experience at it. They arent hiring inexperienced people for jobs. They dont want to train people. They want people out of the gate who know what they are doing. But the problem arises of, if you cant even get offered a job without having multiple years experience, how in the world can you gain that experience?
I'd like to see more done to address these issues today or tomorrow. Not 20 years down the road. people are struggling right now.
I think the main failure of obamas presidency was the complete lack of forsight and knowledge in terms of the economy and what should be done. It doesnt take a Harvard graduate to know we need to put people to work. And there are many ways to do that. For years ive advocated a New new Deal. Or what I suggested weeks prior, requiring all people of a certain age to serve the country, in military, or volunteer/peace corp capacity, and then in payment they'd get either their college funded for or maybe a grant or something, but something substantial. Obama hasnt done anything in this reguard, nor do I think he will address it in any meaningful way if reelected.
Dude/dudette, I'm with you, trust me. I have a lot of debt from graduate school and I now currently teach at a university; so, I see the issues form two perspectives. The costs of attending college are ridiculous, especially when you factor in the costs that are beyond tuition. The textbook racket is ridiculous. My students don't grasp it as much as graduate students, because their parents are footing the bill.
With regards to a new New Deal, look at the opposition to anything Obama has tried to put together. His jobs bill that he presented last year never saw the light of day. The guy is handcuffed. A new Civilian Conservation Corps would be great; an infrastructure bank is a common sense idea; but, nothing can get done in DC these days.
thats what i dont really understand about it all, id happily vote for anyone addressing these issues. Someone comes out and says "we are going to deal with jobs and the economy and debt in a real and substantial way", i'd be enthralled. Its just not the case.
It reminds me of the election in 2004. We were engaged in 2 wars, and instead the main issue of the election was Kerry and Bush's service in Vietnam a war that ended 30 years prior.
Now in 2012, we're engaged in wars, the economy couldnt be worse, unemployment levels are obscenely high, and the 2 major candidates aren't even addressing it. Neither Romney nor Obama have a plan for dealing with any of it.
thats what i dont really understand about it all, id happily vote for anyone addressing these issues. Someone comes out and says "we are going to deal with jobs and the economy and debt in a real and substantial way", i'd be enthralled. Its just not the case.
It reminds me of the election in 2004. We were engaged in 2 wars, and instead the main issue of the election was Kerry and Bush's service in Vietnam a war that ended 30 years prior.
Now in 2012, we're engaged in wars, the economy couldnt be worse, unemployment levels are obscenely high, and the 2 major candidates aren't even addressing it. Neither Romney nor Obama have a plan for dealing with any of it.
They do have plans, but they are afraid of losing votes. So, those plans remain quite vague
losing votes, i agree thats the way it is, but that isnt the way it should be. Its what turns me off about electoral politics. Both parties are bought and sold by corporations. The american public will lose no matter who wins in november. Thats the sad truth.
And obama couldnt have gotten more vague than hope and change.
i hear that line about obama being handcuffed all the time. And its inaccurate. Obama was put in office, almost entirely because the entire country was fed up with everything Bush stood for and did. He was put in office to fight for us, to actually be different. The conversation is muddied because I think Obama never was that different from Bush. Change and Hope tapped brilliantly into the zeitgeist of the time. who in 2008 didnt want someone who would bring change and hope to the white house and the world?
Obama has all the power in the world. You dont think he could right now, order all troops out of afghanistan and all drones out, shut down gitmo and every other detention center, get rid of warrentless wiretapping and torture, end the drug war etc... you dont think he has the power to do that? He has the highest office in the land.
Im surprised and not surprised at the lack of outrage among democrats and liberals in terms of obamas record these last 4 years. He'd have my vote eternally if he actually did any of those things I talked about. He wont and hasnt.
i dont hear too many people singing obamas praises. and the answer to that, isnt to vote him in again and give him 4 more years. he had his shot.
its like i said, i look at it like this, im a 20 something graduate, am in debt, and have had a horrific time trying to get a post college job, the ones i have gotten have been minimum wage, thats a real problem, and obama forgiving my debt over a decade from now doesnt do anything at all to help me out. And theres people worse off than me too, people with families, kids, car payments, house payments. they are in the same boat as well with no one at all dealing with these issues. its a sad state of affairs. people should be rioting in the street.
when people pull the lever in november im not the only person who will be thinking of all these things. it will come down to the economy, and no ones happy about it. and obama will lose because of it
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
He's exactly like the pom-pom wavers on the other side. They are all one in the same. In fact, there are more on pom-pom wavers on the other side on MT - if you look around. They just don't use the same tools that this particular pom-pom waver does.
This thread is proof of the political football game. At the end of the day, it's true - college grads have it rough right now... youth unemployment sucks.
The employment to population ratio for youths is down from 66% in the late 90s to 54% now. That's not a good sign. So, certainly the pom-poms on both sides can fight about why it's happening. But, it IS happening - as you can see from this chart from bloomberg.
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/02/54%25%20yougn%20adults.jpg
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EDIT: Oh and just to add, wages have worsened for this base too.
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Ultimately, the 20 somethings are the people most hurting in the economy, the unemployment rate of 20 somethings is higher than unemployment rate of the nation as a whole right now. As a college graduate, who graduated 5/6 years ago, I can attest to the fact its nearly impossible to get a job, any job at all right now.
We are the people who should be the focus of both the obama and romney campaigns currently. But we wont be. Nor will either of them do anything to address it, or the countries economic woes when they are elected. After all why would they? all 4 are fabulously and obscenely wealthy politicians, who live in mansions, Obama lives in one of the biggest houses in the world, the idea they would know what its like to be an unemployed and frustrated beyond belief 20 something, or an unemployed 50 something, or 60 something for that matter, is asking for something that will never be.
I personally think college should be free. I was watching Ides of March the other night and was struck by the idea proposed in the movie of requiring all 18 year olds, or college students to serve our country, via military or peacecorp, or volunteering the community. In exchange youd get your education paid for.
Im not holding my breath for either obama or romney to do something about the economy and unemployment of 20 somethings, because they wont.
For many college grads nowadays, they dont have a choice. Moving back in with mom and dad is a necessicity for quite a few people nowadays. I dont have the exact stats, but the number is a significant percentage of college grads. If you cant find a job, and are in debt, and are in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the great depression, makes complete sense you'd have a hard time paying rent, and would need to move back home. Theres been quite a few articles written about this idea in the last few years.
i got a loan for school in the last year or so, so ive been cognizant of the issues around it in the news. You'd think in this climate, schools and the government would be offering a ton of loans. Its the opposite, a ton of people are going back to school, and not as many people are getting loans. The loans they are getting are for books and tuition if that, they dont cover rent or groceries and the like. And you cant just go back to school and take a few classes and get the money and use it as you please. You have to take classes specific to a program. You cant just take art classes or cooking classes, unless you plan on getting a degree in art or are interested in becoming a culinary student. You cant just take any classes you want, if you do, your funds are cut off. Loans in general are small in this climate. And theres been serious discussion in washington about getting rid of the grace period you have, right now, you can defer payment on the loans as long as you are in classes, or if not you have a 6 month grace period, then you start paying. Ive heard thats in serious discussions right now and could change, that you may have to pay back immediately in the near future.
I loved seeing the people dancing in the audience when they starting playing music after the speech...bunch of stiff people with no groove...reminded me of a Young Republican singles mixer...oh, wait...thats what it was!
I don't think it should be free to be honest. what will happen if they are free is that the colleges will face massive funding crises
what should be done is that college education is subsidized as well as putting together a loan system similar to the system in the u.k. that way graduates leave college with some debt but not massively outrageous debt and colleges also don't face too much of a funding shortfall
in ireland fees are about 2-3 grand a year, while in the uk they go up towards 9 grand. and thats for E.U. Students, they are more for students outside the E.U. but still relatively sane compared to the U.S
Its actually cheaper for my american friends to get their undergraduate degree in ireland than it is to get a degree in some where with a similar ranking in the U.S.
http://www.businessinsider.com/depressing-student-loan-stories-2012-9#no-10-rather-than-a-home-mortgage-berkley-graduate-leigh-anne-says-shell-be-making-850month-payments-on-her-student-loan-debt-for-the-next-20-years-theres-nothing-that-me-and-my-boyfriend-would-rather-do-than-to-purchase-a-home-she-says-but-how-am-i-going-to--i-cant-tell-you-how-much-i-wish-i-didnt-go-to-college-1
disturbing stuff. Its a shame neither Obama or Romney will be addressing people like this during the election, and its one of the main if not the main reason why im not voting for either. Im in debt, and cant find a job, and its pretty shocking no ones doing anything about it. Im more than frustrated about it. But thats electoral politics, its a complete sham and joke.
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I wasnt aware of this. But it seems to only superfically address the issues. What it seems to suggest is that if you started paying loans off at age 20, by age 40 you wont have to pay anymore. That doesnt address the people who are having to pay loans off currently.
Second, the issues that need to be discussed in deeper detail are:
the rising cost of college and community college tuition and books despite the state of the economy'
the abundancy of loans as opposed to grants. And when either are dispursed out, both are usually for small amounts, meaning you can't live off, pay rent, buy groceries with the money as its too small, which is a problem. Its usually a few thousand for the entire school year, and that just barely covers tuition and books
the lack of jobs in any sector of the economy.
the troubling and mindboggling thing that awaits all 20 year olds nowadays-the experience question. You cant get a job unless you have experience at it. They arent hiring inexperienced people for jobs. They dont want to train people. They want people out of the gate who know what they are doing. But the problem arises of, if you cant even get offered a job without having multiple years experience, how in the world can you gain that experience?
I'd like to see more done to address these issues today or tomorrow. Not 20 years down the road. people are struggling right now.
I think the main failure of obamas presidency was the complete lack of forsight and knowledge in terms of the economy and what should be done. It doesnt take a Harvard graduate to know we need to put people to work. And there are many ways to do that. For years ive advocated a New new Deal. Or what I suggested weeks prior, requiring all people of a certain age to serve the country, in military, or volunteer/peace corp capacity, and then in payment they'd get either their college funded for or maybe a grant or something, but something substantial. Obama hasnt done anything in this reguard, nor do I think he will address it in any meaningful way if reelected.
Dude/dudette, I'm with you, trust me. I have a lot of debt from graduate school and I now currently teach at a university; so, I see the issues form two perspectives. The costs of attending college are ridiculous, especially when you factor in the costs that are beyond tuition. The textbook racket is ridiculous. My students don't grasp it as much as graduate students, because their parents are footing the bill.
With regards to a new New Deal, look at the opposition to anything Obama has tried to put together. His jobs bill that he presented last year never saw the light of day. The guy is handcuffed. A new Civilian Conservation Corps would be great; an infrastructure bank is a common sense idea; but, nothing can get done in DC these days.
It reminds me of the election in 2004. We were engaged in 2 wars, and instead the main issue of the election was Kerry and Bush's service in Vietnam a war that ended 30 years prior.
Now in 2012, we're engaged in wars, the economy couldnt be worse, unemployment levels are obscenely high, and the 2 major candidates aren't even addressing it. Neither Romney nor Obama have a plan for dealing with any of it.
They do have plans, but they are afraid of losing votes. So, those plans remain quite vague
And obama couldnt have gotten more vague than hope and change.
i hear that line about obama being handcuffed all the time. And its inaccurate. Obama was put in office, almost entirely because the entire country was fed up with everything Bush stood for and did. He was put in office to fight for us, to actually be different. The conversation is muddied because I think Obama never was that different from Bush. Change and Hope tapped brilliantly into the zeitgeist of the time. who in 2008 didnt want someone who would bring change and hope to the white house and the world?
Obama has all the power in the world. You dont think he could right now, order all troops out of afghanistan and all drones out, shut down gitmo and every other detention center, get rid of warrentless wiretapping and torture, end the drug war etc... you dont think he has the power to do that? He has the highest office in the land.
Im surprised and not surprised at the lack of outrage among democrats and liberals in terms of obamas record these last 4 years. He'd have my vote eternally if he actually did any of those things I talked about. He wont and hasnt.
i dont hear too many people singing obamas praises. and the answer to that, isnt to vote him in again and give him 4 more years. he had his shot.
when people pull the lever in november im not the only person who will be thinking of all these things. it will come down to the economy, and no ones happy about it. and obama will lose because of it