College Graduates

ComeToTX

BinFrog wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

After four years of getting the run-around, America needs a turnaround. And the only man for the job is Mitt Romney.

America is with him, I know this. The Obama experiment is done. Back to what made our country the exceptional one she has always been.

No, America is not with him. After 8 years of making our country the laughing stock of the free world, Obama took over and, if you actually look beyond slogans to the actual facts, has done a really good job with the hand he was dealt. No, he has not been perfect. But Romney will ruin the progress that has been made.

As a college graduate (under Clinton) and a grad school graduate (under Obama), my life has been just fine.

Obama isn't an experiment. He was the response to 8 years of good ol' boy politics that nearly destroyed us. Romney and Ryan are elitist, out of touch, soulless panderers. Oh, and I left out "lying, tax cheating bigots"

And I say this as an independent who happens to usually lean more to the left than right.

I was going to write something but you pretty much summed up my thoughts!

usamamasan1

I trust Mitt Romeny


WOOT

BinFrog

usamamasan1 wrote:

I trust Mitt Romeny


WOOT

WOOT = 2007. So it's all making sense now. It pretty much takes anything you say and cuts its potency/relevancy/meaning in half. Just saying.

BinauralJam

usamamasan1 wrote:

I trust Mitt Romeny


WOOT

Here's a lesson for you folks, never ask usamamasan a straight up question, he just doesn't do that.

BinFrog

BinauralJam wrote:

Here's a lesson for you folks, never ask usamamasan a straight up question, he just doesn't do that.

There are only so many bumper sticker slogans to memorize.

blackredyellow

BinauralJam wrote:

Here's a lesson for you folks, never ask usamamasan a straight up question, he just doesn't do that.

He's obviously a fake poster, right? I mean no one can actually be like that can they?

aerial

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

aerial wrote:

As far as school loans going up, isn't everything else going up. We are all in this together. We should not vote according to our own agendas but vote as to what is best for all Americans. There has to be some give and take......

so are you saying that a senior citizen should vote for ryan and romney if their medicare is going to be turned into a voucher system? are you saying people on medicaid should vote for "the ryan budget" which is going to gut their medicaid? are you saying students should vote for romney and ryan so they can raise their student loan rates because it would be better for the country??? are you saying that i should vote for ryan and romney and cut my own medicare or the medicare that i want to be there for my kids??

no thanks...

i'm sorry, but anyone who votes against their own interests is just plain stupid.

Obama Proposes $320 Billion in Medicare and Medicaid Cuts Over 10 Years

Mr. Obama proposed higher premiums and deductibles for many Medicare beneficiaries and lower Medicare payments to teaching hospitals and rural hospitals. He would start charging co-payments to frail homebound older people who receive home health services. And he would reduce the growth of federal payments to states for treating low-income people under Medicaid.......




http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/us/po ... years.html

BinauralJam

blackredyellow wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Here's a lesson for you folks, never ask usamamasan a straight up question, he just doesn't do that.

He's obviously a fake poster, right? I mean no one can actually be like that can they?

Sometimes he lets a little piece of personal information out, i've been putting together a picture in my mind, it's kind of like doing a jigsaw puzzle. I believe he is real, but i also believe in bigfoot and aliens are as well.

Prince Of Dorkness

blackredyellow wrote:

He's obviously a fake poster, right? I mean no one can actually be like that can they?

After going to a Tea Party rally just to see if the videos posted were real... yes... there really are people like that.

usamamasan1

usamamasan1 wrote:

Right now, 23 million men and women are struggling to find work. Twenty-three million people, unemployed or underemployed. Nearly one in six Americans is living in poverty. Millions of young Americans have graduated from college during the Obama presidency, ready to use their gifts and get moving in life. Half of them can't find the work they studied for, or any work at all.

So here's the question: Without a change in leadership, why would the next four years be any different from the last four years? What did the taxpayers get out of the Obama stimulus? More debt. That money wasn't just spent and wasted – it was borrowed, spent, and wasted.
Maybe the greatest waste of all was time. Here we were, faced with a massive job crisis – so deep that if everyone out of work stood in single file, that unemployment line would stretch the length of the entire American continent. You would think that any president, whatever his party, would make job creation, and nothing else, his first order of economic business.

President Obama has held 106 fundraisers and played golf during the last six months without meeting with his jobs creation council.

gimmesometruth27

aerial wrote:

Obama Proposes $320 Billion in Medicare and Medicaid Cuts Over 10 Years

Mr. Obama proposed higher premiums and deductibles for many Medicare beneficiaries and lower Medicare payments to teaching hospitals and rural hospitals. He would start charging co-payments to frail homebound older people who receive home health services. And he would reduce the growth of federal payments to states for treating low-income people under Medicaid.......




http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/us/po ... years.html

in case you have not been paying attention, this has to be approved by congress, and everyone knows anything proposed by obama is not going to come to a vote or it is going to be voted down as a way of embarrassing him. keep digging aerial

gimmesometruth27

usamamasan1 wrote:

I trust Mitt Romeny


WOOT

you trust your 7th choice to win the nomination??

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

in case you have not been paying attention, this has to be approved by congress, and everyone knows anything proposed by obama is not going to come to a vote or it is going to be voted down as a way of embarrassing him. keep digging aerial

Congress has been very busy this year. Passing something like this would be easy based on all the Post Office renaming laws they've enacted so far. :fp:

inlet13

blackredyellow wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Here's a lesson for you folks, never ask usamamasan a straight up question, he just doesn't do that.

He's obviously a fake poster, right? I mean no one can actually be like that can they?

He's exactly like the pom-pom wavers on the other side. They are all one in the same. In fact, there are more on pom-pom wavers on the other side on MT - if you look around. They just don't use the same tools that this particular pom-pom waver does.

This thread is proof of the political football game. At the end of the day, it's true - college grads have it rough right now... youth unemployment sucks.

The employment to population ratio for youths is down from 66% in the late 90s to 54% now. That's not a good sign. So, certainly the pom-poms on both sides can fight about why it's happening. But, it IS happening - as you can see from this chart from bloomberg.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/02/54%25%20yougn%20adults.jpg

inlet13

Worst level since 1948:

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/87412238 ... jpPi3O2SX8

EDIT: Oh and just to add, wages have worsened for this base too.

MotoDC

BinauralJam wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

He's obviously a fake poster, right? I mean no one can actually be like that can they?

Sometimes he lets a little piece of personal information out, i've been putting together a picture in my mind, it's kind of like doing a jigsaw puzzle. I believe he is real, but i also believe in bigfoot and aliens are as well.

Now that's funny.

comebackgirl

aerial wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

"Should not have to live out their 20's in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondring when they can move out and get going with life."

"And under my party's plan, they wouldn't be eligible for insurance coverage under their parents' plan, their school loan payments would go up, and we'd take away their unemployment check... Then they can officially 'get going with life'."

At that age most adults want to be independent of their parents I thought. Are there really adults today that want Mommy and Daddy to take of them after 18.
I have a neighbor voting for Obama, the reason? he does not want to lose he's unemployment check that he has been collecting over a year now.
As far as school loans going up, isn't everything else going up. We are all in this together. We should not vote according to our own agendas but vote as to what is best for all Americans. There has to be some give and take......

At that age they want independence and they need support as they become independent. Just like you don't throw your 6 year old on a two wheeler and send them off to "make the best of it" you help your 18 year old make the transition to independent adulthood. Helping to support them (emotionally, financially or otherwise) as they further their education and job skills is part of it.

musicismylife78

im voting ron paul, but that ryan quote did strike a nerve with me even though i wouldnt vote for him nor romney and dont think they plan on doing anything, although that said, ryan and romney both, if im not mistaken have talked about some sort of financial aid thing whereas obama has done nothing in that reguard.

Ultimately, the 20 somethings are the people most hurting in the economy, the unemployment rate of 20 somethings is higher than unemployment rate of the nation as a whole right now. As a college graduate, who graduated 5/6 years ago, I can attest to the fact its nearly impossible to get a job, any job at all right now.

We are the people who should be the focus of both the obama and romney campaigns currently. But we wont be. Nor will either of them do anything to address it, or the countries economic woes when they are elected. After all why would they? all 4 are fabulously and obscenely wealthy politicians, who live in mansions, Obama lives in one of the biggest houses in the world, the idea they would know what its like to be an unemployed and frustrated beyond belief 20 something, or an unemployed 50 something, or 60 something for that matter, is asking for something that will never be.

I personally think college should be free. I was watching Ides of March the other night and was struck by the idea proposed in the movie of requiring all 18 year olds, or college students to serve our country, via military or peacecorp, or volunteering the community. In exchange youd get your education paid for.

Im not holding my breath for either obama or romney to do something about the economy and unemployment of 20 somethings, because they wont.

musicismylife78

aerial wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

"Should not have to live out their 20's in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondring when they can move out and get going with life."

"And under my party's plan, they wouldn't be eligible for insurance coverage under their parents' plan, their school loan payments would go up, and we'd take away their unemployment check... Then they can officially 'get going with life'."

At that age most adults want to be independent of their parents I thought. Are there really adults today that want Mommy and Daddy to take of them after 18.
I have a neighbor voting for Obama, the reason? he does not want to lose he's unemployment check that he has been collecting over a year now.
As far as school loans going up, isn't everything else going up. We are all in this together. We should not vote according to our own agendas but vote as to what is best for all Americans. There has to be some give and take......

For many college grads nowadays, they dont have a choice. Moving back in with mom and dad is a necessicity for quite a few people nowadays. I dont have the exact stats, but the number is a significant percentage of college grads. If you cant find a job, and are in debt, and are in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the great depression, makes complete sense you'd have a hard time paying rent, and would need to move back home. Theres been quite a few articles written about this idea in the last few years.

musicismylife78

and just to add:

i got a loan for school in the last year or so, so ive been cognizant of the issues around it in the news. You'd think in this climate, schools and the government would be offering a ton of loans. Its the opposite, a ton of people are going back to school, and not as many people are getting loans. The loans they are getting are for books and tuition if that, they dont cover rent or groceries and the like. And you cant just go back to school and take a few classes and get the money and use it as you please. You have to take classes specific to a program. You cant just take art classes or cooking classes, unless you plan on getting a degree in art or are interested in becoming a culinary student. You cant just take any classes you want, if you do, your funds are cut off. Loans in general are small in this climate. And theres been serious discussion in washington about getting rid of the grace period you have, right now, you can defer payment on the loans as long as you are in classes, or if not you have a 6 month grace period, then you start paying. Ive heard thats in serious discussions right now and could change, that you may have to pay back immediately in the near future.