Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

JonnyPistachio · August 2012

pandora wrote:

Gun laws don't stop crazy sorry, I know many here think that is the answer.
Gun laws only keep responsible gun owners without
their rights intact.
All gun opponents want to do is take away guns from the law abiding.
Each time I ask what would you do to solve the problem the answer is
removing rights to own guns.

Of course gun laws dont stop crazy..nobody has said that. Many of us just think things arent working very well as is, and perhaps we can reduce the carnage if some weapons were simply not so easily accessible. Isnt it worth a try? A tiny attempt to save people?

JonnyPistachio · August 2012

pandora wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Remember, I was nearly shot in the head by one of the most respected, responsible people I know.

I don't remember were they cleaning their gun? Target practice?
Bad guy around?

That is something that just doesn't usually happen unless someone
is untrained to some degree, unprepared with a gun.

He had training and tons of experience. He won several shooting competitions. In fact, the shotgun he was using was a prize from a competition. He was unloading the gun to disassemble it and didnt realize there was still a round in the chamber. He is honestly one of my most responsible friends. But he was young at the time, and People make mistakes.

pandora · August 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Interesting article about how many US civilians are buying AK-47s in record numbers:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48670593/ns ... CujulZmTFk

Izhmash benefits from American gun laws that are looser than in its home market. In Russia, consumers can buy a long-barreled firearm only with a police permit, which requires a clean criminal sheet, a diploma from a gun safety course and a medical certificate of sanity. In the United States, laws vary by state, but buyers often need to clear only an F.B.I. criminal background check.

^^^interesting laws in Russia concerning the mental state discussion going around here.

great article thanks Jonny, you mention only ...
one would think an FBI background check would include all the above requirements
that Russia has except perhaps gun safety and permit?

"Russian weapons accounted for a tiny portion of the $4.3 billion American gun market last year"

This is big business indeed.I read somewhere but don't have the quote
that gun ownership is actually down but that owners are owning more guns per person,
per household.

Maybe the turn in our economy, the broadening gap in economic status with the middle
not the middle any more, the massive lack of faith in leadership coulped with trust
almost gone ... more are preparing for civil war or at the least great unrest.
I guess that is the height of preparedness.

and what does this mean? ...

"Russia begins a $613 billion rearmament program, financed by oil money."

Does this mean their military then? to protect the country from war and
which is also used to control their citizens as in the case of the US.

pandora · August 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Remember, I was nearly shot in the head by one of the most respected, responsible people I know.

I don't remember were they cleaning their gun? Target practice?
Bad guy around?

That is something that just doesn't usually happen unless someone
is untrained to some degree, unprepared with a gun.

He had training and tons of experience. He won several shooting competitions. In fact, the shotgun he was using was a prize from a competition. He was unloading the gun to disassemble it and didnt realize there was still a round in the chamber. He is honestly one of my most responsible friends. But he was young at the time, and People make mistakes.

yes people do ...

and that is all I will say ...

JonnyPistachio · August 2012

pandora wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Interesting article about how many US civilians are buying AK-47s in record numbers:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48670593/ns ... CujulZmTFk

Izhmash benefits from American gun laws that are looser than in its home market. In Russia, consumers can buy a long-barreled firearm only with a police permit, which requires a clean criminal sheet, a diploma from a gun safety course and a medical certificate of sanity. In the United States, laws vary by state, but buyers often need to clear only an F.B.I. criminal background check.

^^^interesting laws in Russia concerning the mental state discussion going around here.

great article thanks Jonny, you mention only ...
one would think an FBI background check would include all the above requirements
that Russia has except perhaps gun safety and permit?

"Russian weapons accounted for a tiny portion of the $4.3 billion American gun market last year"

This is big business indeed.I read somewhere but don't have the quote
that gun ownership is actually down but that owners are owning more guns per person,
per household.

Maybe the turn in our economy, the broadening gap in economic status with the middle
not the middle any more, the massive lack of faith in leadership coulped with trust
almost gone ... more are preparing for civil war or at the least great unrest.
I guess that is the height of preparedness.

and what does this mean? ...

"Russia begins a $613 billion rearmament program, financed by oil money."

Does this mean their military then? to protect the country from war and
which is also used to control their citizens as in the case of the US.

Those arent my words (your mention of the 'only FBI check")...they were lifted from the article... As far as the FBI thing, I dont think that is accurate. I thought i saw in many places that background check is not required.

And as far as gun ownership being down, it could be correct in this economy, but I don't know. I would think that with a down economy, people would asses needs vs. wants, and possible realize that another gun is not a necessity.

dunkman · August 2012

Fifi_Ireland wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492

I was reading about the latest in unreal shootings at the Batman movie in Aurora and it just makes me so sad. This follows the Anders Brevik shootings in Norway, people are now just walking into random places and killing innocent people all around them showing no emotion.

While I appreciate these things are still unusual and rare, does anyone else feel like common decency is dissappearing and a lack of respect for people around you and a lack of values is causing more deaths and violence all about the place.

We recently had a Swedish House Mafia concert in Dublin and by the end of the event 9 people had been stabbed, 3 died of overdoses, there were brawls of up to 50 people in the streets, people were arrested for indecent behaviour for actually having sex in the middle of the food area (more than one set of people). This was unheard of, and yet no one was really that surprised because the way 'younger' people are acting at the moment it was only a matter of time (not all young people and no i'm not 100)

I would consider myself quite liberal about most things but the loss of 'please' and 'thank you' from common vocabulary is the start of the end as far as I'm concerned. People dont seem to have time to smile and say thank you any more or to step back and allow someone through the door in front of them or to hold it open for the person coming behind them. People nearly look surprised and suspicious when you hold a door open these days.....

anyway sorry about the ramble but it just makes me so sad that we have reached a point where some people hold others lives in their hands and consider them worthless!

no pictures of the sex???

as for the shootings... that'll continue forevermore... so no point getting involved in that. Americans love guns more than they love their kids, their flags and their horrible taste in soft furnishings.... so, these shootings will happen again and again and again.

As for the kids in Dublin... well thats just like wee fudds over here in the UK.. I once had a 15 year old kid walk into my garden, piss up against the wall as my young girls played in the back garden... once confronted by me the youth got highly aggressive and started to kick my car.

20 years ago, 15 year old or not, I would have punched him so hard in the face he would have been eating magma through his arsehole

today... well the police told me after they arrived that I did the right thing not hitting him as I would have been arrested and charged with assault.

I'm only 38 but teenagers have no fear of law here... police are helpless due to human rights accusations, police brutality queries, red tape, bureaucracy, etc

hedonist · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

At least 131. I'm banking on 140 by the end of the day tomorrow. :silent:

I lost my own damn bet! ...and thinking your take might be right on.

(morning, dunkman!)

pandora · August 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

Gun laws don't stop crazy sorry, I know many here think that is the answer.
Gun laws only keep responsible gun owners without
their rights intact.
All gun opponents want to do is take away guns from the law abiding.
Each time I ask what would you do to solve the problem the answer is
removing rights to own guns.

Of course gun laws dont stop crazy..nobody has said that. Many of us just think things arent working very well as is, and perhaps we can reduce the carnage if some weapons were simply not so easily accessible. Isnt it worth a try? A tiny attempt to save people?

Save people? if we really care about that we would address the cause of these shootings.
Why are people shooting?

Mental illness in all forms are hurting our society in so many ways.
The homeless left to the streets, many mentally ill, untreated.
The children left behind from young on, undiagnosed.
Those children that turn to crime because of this, turn to drugs.
The domestic violence founded in the root of mental illness.
I could go on and on.

Violence and crime will not go away until we address proper and easily available
treatment for all.
Crazy is not because there are guns, crazy just uses guns, irresponsibly
the sane do too ... responsibly.
Let's really fix the problem and get help for the mentally ill.

dunkman · August 2012

hedonist wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

At least 131. I'm banking on 140 by the end of the day tomorrow. :silent:

I lost my own damn bet! ...and thinking your take might be right on.

(morning, dunkman!)

:wave: hey there hedonist

long time no party naked

JonnyPistachio · August 2012

pandora wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

Gun laws don't stop crazy sorry, I know many here think that is the answer.
Gun laws only keep responsible gun owners without
their rights intact.
All gun opponents want to do is take away guns from the law abiding.
Each time I ask what would you do to solve the problem the answer is
removing rights to own guns.

Of course gun laws dont stop crazy..nobody has said that. Many of us just think things arent working very well as is, and perhaps we can reduce the carnage if some weapons were simply not so easily accessible. Isnt it worth a try? A tiny attempt to save people?

Save people? if we really care about that we would address the cause of these shootings.
Why are people shooting?

Mental illness in all forms are hurting our society in so many ways.
The homeless left to the streets, many mentally ill, untreated.
The children left behind from young on, undiagnosed.
Those children that turn to crime because of this, turn to drugs.
The domestic violence founded in the root of mental illness.
I could go on and on.

Violence and crime will not go away until we address proper and easily available
treatment for all.
Crazy is not because there are guns, crazy just uses guns, irresponsibly
the sane do too ... responsibly.
Let's really fix the problem and get help for the mentally ill.

Yes, definitely save people. And I agree, coupled with better, more readily available health care, we could possibly reduce unnecessary violence.

Btw, I saw PJsouls post a few pages back, and thought that there are many different reasons that some law tweaks could help:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Note: If it hadn't been as easy for Holmes to get the ammo and weapons, it would have taken him longer, and by then that psychiatrist would have received that letter or whatever it was he sent to her, and she would have alerted authorities, and he never would have been able to go on a shooting rampage in the first place. Yay.

g under p · August 2012

pandora wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

Gun laws don't stop crazy sorry, I know many here think that is the answer.
Gun laws only keep responsible gun owners without
their rights intact.
All gun opponents want to do is take away guns from the law abiding.
Each time I ask what would you do to solve the problem the answer is
removing rights to own guns.

Of course gun laws dont stop crazy..nobody has said that. Many of us just think things arent working very well as is, and perhaps we can reduce the carnage if some weapons were simply not so easily accessible. Isnt it worth a try? A tiny attempt to save people?

Save people? if we really care about that we would address the cause of these shootings.
Why are people shooting?

Mental illness in all forms are hurting our society in so many ways.
The homeless left to the streets, many mentally ill, untreated.
The children left behind from young on, undiagnosed.
Those children that turn to crime because of this, turn to drugs.
The domestic violence founded in the root of mental illness.
I could go on and on.

Violence and crime will not go away until we address proper and easily available
treatment for all.
Crazy is not because there are guns, crazy just uses guns, irresponsibly
the sane do too ... responsibly.
Let's really fix the problem and get help for the mentally ill.

RIP...Arnold Horshack....Oh Oh me, how are we in this country are going to address treatment for the sane or mentally ill when WE in this country can't even get BASIC health care just to get even a simple check up?

Peace

comebackgirl · August 2012

hedonist wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

At least 131. I'm banking on 140 by the end of the day tomorrow. :silent:

I lost my own damn bet! ...and thinking your take might be right on.

(morning, dunkman!)

Come on 140!!!what do I win if I'm right? I hope it's a shiny new gun!

dunkman · August 2012

pandora wrote:

Mental illness in all forms are hurting our society in so many ways.
The homeless left to the streets, many mentally ill, untreated.
The children left behind from young on, undiagnosed.
Those children that turn to crime because of this, turn to drugs.
The domestic violence founded in the root of mental illness.
I could go on and on.

Violence and crime will not go away until we address proper and easily available
treatment for all.
Crazy is not because there are guns, crazy just uses guns, irresponsibly
the sane do too ... responsibly.
Let's really fix the problem and get help for the mentally ill.

you speak as if no sane person has ever shot someone say out of anger/love/heat of the moment....

in USA I might shoot the guy who i find in bed with my wife... in Scotland, as much as I wanted to, I couldnt because we have good gun laws.

sane people shoot other people and to deny that you may as well be an ostrich.

anyway... I'm still awaiting the anti-gun lobby coming to me to use my snappy punchline for their poster campaigns.

"better gun laws: it's worth a shot!"

polaris_x · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

Come on 140!!!what do I win if I'm right? I hope it's a shiny new gun!

winning a gun in the US is like winning a book! ... "shoot" for something more rare ... like a real corn on the cob that hasn't been bioengineered to have no nutrients and glow ...

JonnyPistachio · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

hedonist wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

At least 131. I'm banking on 140 by the end of the day tomorrow. :silent:

I lost my own damn bet! ...and thinking your take might be right on.

(morning, dunkman!)

Come on 140!!!what do I win if I'm right? I hope it's a shiny new gun!

First prize:
Real+pink+gun.jpg

second prize:

comebackgirl · August 2012

pandora wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Of course gun laws dont stop crazy..nobody has said that. Many of us just think things arent working very well as is, and perhaps we can reduce the carnage if some weapons were simply not so easily accessible. Isnt it worth a try? A tiny attempt to save people?

Save people? if we really care about that we would address the cause of these shootings.
Why are people shooting?

Mental illness in all forms are hurting our society in so many ways.
The homeless left to the streets, many mentally ill, untreated.
The children left behind from young on, undiagnosed.
Those children that turn to crime because of this, turn to drugs.
The domestic violence founded in the root of mental illness.
I could go on and on.

Violence and crime will not go away until we address proper and easily available
treatment for all.
Crazy is not because there are guns, crazy just uses guns, irresponsibly
the sane do too ... responsibly.
Let's really fix the problem and get help for the mentally ill.

The non "crazy" also use guns irresponsibly; in much higher numbers than the "crazy" in fact. The "crazy" are much more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators. People living with mental illness are a vulnerable population and deserve more comprehensive treatment than what is currently available (including risk assessments), as well as to be treated with dignity and not to be stigmatized. The stigma is an obstacle to them obtaining proper diagnosis and treatment. Let's not add to that problem.

dunkman · August 2012

I always thought Pandora was a bit of peace loving hippy... turns out she is Chuck Norris' mother.

pandora · August 2012

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Pandora wrote:

I should not have laughed I'm sorry not funny... but I did but shouldn't have... :oops:

but the fact that your gut reaction was to LAUGH is very telling about your lack of respect and awareness for the grave situation this could have ended up as.

glad the stupid fuck shot himself and not someone else.

gee and I felt bad about laughing ...

it was the buttocks thing, just a great big oops ...
and finally we agree, glad no one else was hurt

pandora · August 2012

dunkman wrote:

I always thought Pandora was a bit of peace loving hippy... turns out she is Chuck Norris' mother.

Does she fight for the rights of others?

I bet she does

dunkman · August 2012

pandora wrote:

dunkman wrote:

I always thought Pandora was a bit of peace loving hippy... turns out she is Chuck Norris' mother.

Does she fight for the rights of others?

I bet she does

no, she doesnt fight for the right of innocent movie goers who get killed. :nono:

Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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