Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    pandora wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    Voted to address loopholes???? These things aren't put up to a vote. They are changed by lawmakers!
    Did you vote in your lawmakers?
    Don't act helpless in this if you want the laws changed get out and change them.

    I do my best to. Usually they lose to NRA controlled, paranoid gun folks who don't see any reason to do our best to stop lunatics from shooting up schools and movie theaters.

    My bad.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    ComeToTX wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    People often feel remorse when dying don't you think?

    No clue. I've never died. .
    :mrgreen:
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    I was thinking an Abrams, actually...

    Is that really big? Will it blow this thread to smithereens? Can one obtain this via the internet?
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
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  • jasonbouchard88
    jasonbouchard88 Posts: 369
    It is really sad. I should point out that in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, there was a shooting at the food court of the Eaton Centre on June 2.

    http://www.thestar.com/topic/eatoncentreshooting

    And on July 16, there was a shooting in Scarborough, Ontario, two died and 19 injured at BBQ Party.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/16 ... arborough/

    It just really upsets me that these people can commit horrific acts.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Well, well... I see one edited her post to remove some stupid 'finger pointing elitism' (ie, you're not one of 'us' so you wouldn't know...), pretending it never happened.
    But too late!.... it's been quoted! :lol:
    I rethought because you were so upset by that last time, others too,
    and kindness is what we want to accomplish here... and understanding.
    Is that not right redrock?

    I see you are still upset by your reaction ... :shock:

    Haha... futile attempt at saving face! Not working! If I hadn't picked up on it, you wouldn't have changed a word!

    Upset? crying.gif Please... give us some credit! :lol:
    you sure look upset ... lots of exclamation points there

    I changed my post before seeing yours. If you had seen it why change it? :?
    common sense ...

    and again it's about kindness and understanding
    is that not right redrock?
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    ComeToTX wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    He made the decision to shoot a police officer that knocked on his door for no reason. I have a hard time believing that he felt much remorse. After shooting at people for 30 minutes!
    People often feel remorse when dying don't you think?

    No clue. I've never died. I've also never killed 2 people.
    really no clue?
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    pandora wrote:
    really no clue?
    Does whether the shooter felt remorse even matter?

    I feel more for the constable who was shot, and what went through his heart and mind as life left his body...not the over-reactionary fuck who killed him.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I have read the full thought and I'm very willing to admit I don't get it. If you could help me understand in which situations those statements about victims apply, that would be great. Thanks.
    What page was my orginal thought on then ? ...
    you must have focused greatly more than I on it

    really think I won't muddle through 120 pages :lol: and I think was that a couple weeks ago now :lol:

    but I don't think I gave any situations in my original thought
    as it was about people in general how they react to protecting themselves and their methods...
    with or without a gun...
    I think it came from more of a philosophical place, though I was thinking of a couple
    personal situations and regret felt for not being more prepared.

    I know you and many focused on it using it as though I was attacking victims,
    something I would never do, make a crime their fault, although we do regret after.
    But you already know this...
    funny trying to turn what is not an attack into one ... ironic indeed :lol:
    It's on page 51. I posted it in full, but highlighted that portion. I'm trying to understand in which situation and to which victims those statements apply, because whenever anyone has referenced those comments we've been called insensitive. If you could very clearly explain to me in which situations and perhaps give an example of someone being a victim due to weakness, etc that would help clarify. I'm trying to understand the difference between a deserving and undeserving victim. Thanks.

    Wow page 51 holy camoly.
    What times have you or others referenced this pertaining to real life victims?
    Perhaps I have missed this. Perhaps you can quote those also. So I can better understand
    your misunderstanding of my words.

    Did you or others joke about a death or draw a conclusion that the victim
    was somehow in the wrong?

    I guess that would be insensitive yes. I can see how others would think that.

    Is this what you get out of the words?

    That I think the victim is in the wrong. Which is not the case.

    Did I ever put a real life scenario to those words?
    If not how could anyone apply them correctly ?

    I will ponder my whole philosophical statement,
    I didn't know there was going to a test ;)
    and see what other info I can come up with for you,

    if other than I have already stated in numerous posts.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    hedonist wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    really no clue?
    Does whether the shooter felt remorse even matter?

    I feel more for the constable who was shot, and what went through his heart and mind as life left his body...not the over-reactionary fuck who killed him.
    me too
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    you sure look upset ... lots of exclamation points there

    I changed my post before seeing yours. If you had seen it why change it? :?
    common sense ...

    and again it's about kindness and understanding
    is that not right redrock?

    No dice. I just think you weren't quick enough. ;) Talk about kindness and understanding from others whilst, admittedly underhandedly and deviously, dishing out snide little remarks. And I will not bore anyone here with a grammar lesson regarding the use of exclamation marks. ;) Oh.. and the emoticons are a good hint of my 'feelings' towards your post!

    Furthermore, why would I be upset? Can you tell me why you think that? That would be interesting....

    Actually - it won't. Let's just put this further little 'mishap' on your part to rest! (exclamation mark) :mrgreen:
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    What does one do to be responsible when driving a car?

    Oops... there we go... the car analogy... Unable to give an answer so one 'diverts' :lol:

    Again, this is a thread about shootings and guns - not cars.
    Its a great analogy... in fact the very best..

    most especially when talking about a responsible person.

    What do irresponsible people do when driving a car?
    Maybe that helps in drawing a conclusion, looking at it from
    that perspective.
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    pandora wrote:

    Wow page 51 holy camoly.
    What times have you or others referenced this pertaining to real life victims?
    Perhaps I have missed this. Perhaps you can quote those also. So I can better understand
    your misunderstanding of my words.

    Did you or others joke about a death or draw a conclusion that the victim
    was somehow in the wrong?

    I guess that would be insensitive yes. I can see how others would think that.

    Is this what you get out of the words?

    That I think the victim is in the wrong. Which is not the case.

    Did I ever put a real life scenario to those words?
    If not how could anyone apply them correctly ?

    I will ponder my whole philosophical statement,
    I didn't know there was going to a test ;)
    and see what other info I can come up with for you,

    if other than I have already stated in numerous posts.
    I'm trying to understand what YOU meant by the words. If you said them out of turn to make a point and dont really mean them, I can understand that and will drop my questions about it; but if you do mean them I'd really like clarification so I can understand your point of view. This is a very important issue to me, so I'm really trying to understand.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    this is a thread that is going nowhere and fast. yet i do get a kick out of some of the comments here. many witty folks in the 10c community. other than that it's going no place

    congratulation
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    chadwick wrote:
    this is a thread that is going nowhere and fast. yet i do get a kick out of some of the comments here. many witty folks in the 10c community. other than that it's going no place

    congratulation

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    chadwick wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Oh tthhhaaaat's why you keep presenting it! You haven't realized it doesn't make any logical sense. Now you know- the amount of everyday car usage obliterates the amount of gun usage and comparatively speaking (even though it is very difficult to compare a transportation mode with a killing weapon), the percentages reveal automobiles to be infinitely safer.

    If you had presented an analogy where you spoke of how dangerous pavement is and how many falls we have each year on pavement that result in death or injury... you might have had a better chance of convincing someone that guns aren't as dangerous as everyday items.

    You have a gun problem in your country, sir. You have an idiot problem too. It is hard to establish which people are the idiots at face value (at the point of purchase). The answer isn't more accessible guns. The answer is careful screening and limiting the types of weapons people can have. That might mean that a good person doesn't get a handgun to spin on his finger while shooting beer cans, but it does mean people can go watch Batman with some safeguards in place.

    fixed... ;)

    Yesssss! I've got a second. All in favour? A deafening AAAaayyyy. All opposed? :fp:

    Well. I guess that settles it. Gun legislation wins. Yay!
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    chadwick wrote:
    this is a thread that is going nowhere and fast. yet i do get a kick out of some of the comments here. many witty folks in the 10c community. other than that it's going no place

    congratulation

    :clap:
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    What does one do to be responsible when driving a car?

    Oops... there we go... the car analogy... Unable to give an answer so one 'diverts' :lol:

    Again, this is a thread about shootings and guns - not cars.
    Its a great analogy... in fact the very best..

    most especially when talking about a responsible person.

    What do irresponsible people do when driving a car?
    Maybe that helps in drawing a conclusion, looking at it from
    that perspective.

    Diverting again. No need for analogy. Just a response to, what I would think, is a very simple question.

    If you cannot explain, in your own words, what 'responsible' means in context of gun ownership and what are the steps for a gun owner to be responsible - just say so. You are basing your 'debate' on this term 'responsible gun owners' but are unable/unwilling to explain what you mean by this and how, for example, you consider your husband to be a 'responsible' gun owner (since, technically, you don't own the gun you can't be 'responsible') and how he achieved this 'responsibility'. Shouldn't be difficult - is this not one of your life experiences that you can draw upon? Unless of course you do not consider him 'responsible'. ;)

    A straight answer will suffice.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    redrock wrote:
    A straight answer will suffice.

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    pandora wrote:
    obviously he did care and had no idea he was dead...

    but probably did know he was

    I thought you found it reprehensible to sympathize with the victimizer.
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