Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    Very nice, you see all have this talent something just has to hit a cord within our soul-inner beings and writings such as this comes forth. Awesome baby...easy peasy Japaneasy :thumbup: .

    Peace

    I wouldn't say writing songs is easy (I've written hundreds), but this one sort of wrote itself over the past 100+ pages.

    I know it's not easybut i just wanted to say east peasy Japaneasy. :D

    peace
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    g under p wrote:
    I know it's not easybut i just wanted to say east peasy Japaneasy. :D

    peace

    :lol:
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    g under p wrote:
    So I gather you must not be a good guy since you apparently don't own or carry a gun. Therefore this very same crime could happen to you.
    Peace

    just so you don't have to endure another post of :fp: , I'll answer this for her: she says she doesn't carry, but then not-so-cryptically says that doesn't mean she isn't prepared.

    in other words, her husband/offspring/dog/goldfish packs heat.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Meanwhile...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/au ... ficer-dead


    Texas gunman dies after police officer and civilian bystander are shot dead

    At least two other police officers and one civilian also wounded in exchange of fire at house near Texas A&M University

    .....
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    g under p wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    crux of the problem, laws can't keep us safe or guns out of the hands of the bad guy...
    why good guys need them.

    Yet when it's suggested to have more checks on internet purchases you appear not care for simple checks and balances of waiting period, registration and background checks. You appear to say that will take away guns from innocent victims.

    So it appears you're saying everybody who is a good guy make it easier for them to get guns because the bad guys no matter who they may potentially be can always get their guns. OKay

    Peace
    Laws that don't exist definitely can't keep us safe. As you say g under p, just a few minor changes to the law (which will not have ANY impact on 'responsible, law abiding gun owners') could make a difference. Licensed dealers need to do those checks - why not make ALL arms dealers licensed (internet or not, shows or not) with private sales going via licensed brokers. No skin off the 'responsible, law abiding' person - on the contrary - I would think these people would welcome anything that would make their 'hobby' more responsible. Wanna bet that this shooter was a legal gun owner? (Yes... I know... we don't know anything about this person yet, I'm speculating, etc. but looking back at these kind of shootings, most are with legally obtained firearms). Of course, just this wouldn't keep ALL guns out of bad guys' hands (whatever 'bad guys' may be) and those that do not have criminal records (or recorded mental issues), etc but would help towards that goal. It would make it more difficult for the 'everyday' petty thief to get one... Virtual anonymity can only benefit those with 'intention'.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I think he's saying that by locking your doors you can't claim you are not living in fear, otherwise, why would you lock them?

    the difference being, DS, is that locking your doors has no potential to harm anyone. Oh, and stop using the car anology. you are free to use it again if someone drives their vehicle into a shopping mall with the express intent of mowing people down 60 times in one year.


    Sorry. Won't stop using the car analogy until it stops making logical sense. Or until it becomes harder to obtain a driver's license and vehicle than it does a firearm. These are very tragic stories...and I feel for those involved, I do, but I'm still waiting for the stories about legal fireamrs that didn't cause any harm yesterday. Also, why is no one in arms that 6 people were killed yesterday in a DWI accident in Albany?
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Jason P wrote:
    :shock: :shock: :shock:

    Thai Senator Mistakenly Shot And Killed His Secretary With An Uzi During Lunch

    A Thai senator accidentally shot his cousin dead as he tried to put away the 9mm submachine gun that he had placed on the table during a family meal, police said on Monday.

    Boonsong Kowawisarat fatally injured Chanakarn Detkard, 46, when he mistakenly fired the Uzi at a private dining area of the Garden Resort, in Phrae province, northern Thailand, on Sunday evening.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/thai-senator-boonsong-kowawisarat-shoots-secretary-with-uzi-2012-8#ixzz23SUFVW1c

    Same thing almost happened to me last Thanksgiving. Someone passed me the stuffing and I was looking for a place to set it down and that pesky Uzi was taking up space next to the mashed potatoes, so ....


    Worldwide news if this was in the US and yet even ignored for several pages in this thread. :fp: Let's concentrate World on the US! :lol: When the World stops focusing on the US then I know we are in trouble. :lol:
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    DS1119 wrote:
    Also, why is no one in arms that 6 people were killed yesterday in a DWI accident in Albany?

    Because the topic of this thread is 'shootings' and not car accidents. 8-)
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    redrock wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Also, why is no one in arms that 6 people were killed yesterday in a DWI accident in Albany?

    Because the topic of this thread is 'shootings' and not car accidents. 8-)


    But shit...3 times more people were killed in one illegal car accident here in this shit hole of a city than by the highly publicized shooting yesterday? I just wonder how many more were killed in a DWI accident yesterday across the country? I would have to think at least one. :fp: Oh my God...ban the cars and stop this senseless violence!!!!
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:



    He was a brave first responder .... thought and prayers to his loved ones.
    pandora wrote:
    Some people are just stronger than others, braver, it is in their make up to take control
    of situations, to be prepared, trained. We see these folks, we are thankful when they are there,
    with a gun or without.

    In the world of sheep these stand out. They will protect their neighbors and even
    a stranger when needed, risking their own lives because they know this is the
    right thing to do.

    Others know they must be able to protect themselves and their loved ones if the
    need arises. They are aware of the very personal dangers or circumstances they live in
    and are prepared as they see fit.

    Then there are some who are unprepared, untrained and weak ...
    with a gun or without,they will be a victim when the time comes,
    a victim of their own stupidity or of someone else's.
    I must have misunderstood your words here.
    Do you see a contradiction here... :lol:
    the fact you would compare the two statements is foolishness.

    Obviously a trained first responder police officer has a plan... yes?
    go back and read the explanation I have given for my words...
    it is about being prepared, trained ,responsible, have a plan whether you own a gun or not...
    oh and lock the doors too ;):lol:

    how many times does one need to explain before some get it?
    The same few refuse to understand and twist words
    but the fact they make light of this man dying...
    a hero, speaks volumes of them.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    g under p wrote:
    So I gather you must not be a good guy since you apparently don't own or carry a gun. Therefore this very same crime could happen to you. Also just because one has a gun doesn't automatically means things are going to turn out the way you've stated..it is not as easy as you think.

    Yet when it's suggested to have more checks on internet purchases you appear not care for simple checks and balances of waiting period, registration and background checks. You appear to say that will take away guns from innocent victims.

    So it appears you're saying everybody who is a good guy make it easier for them to get guns because the bad guys no matter who they may potentially be can always get their guns. OKay

    Peace
    By your definition I am not a good guy ,my definition I am because I am law abiding,
    I would think that would be easily understood.
    I'm just not a responsible gun owner yet.

    Not sure about your conclusion you have drawn in your next paragraphs...

    It is extremely easy for criminals to get guns. Much easier than the law abiding
    responsible who buy legally, who fill out applications, background checks,
    and often wait, then take safety training.
    This the criteria they meet by laws in place and out of their own sense of responsibility.

    More laws governing them are not needed.
    Enforce the laws we have and get rid of the criminals with much stiffer penalties,
    and an effort against illegal arms.
    Put the action where it is needed against the criminals.

    Checks and balances on the internet rely on the individual making the purchase,
    or their parents.

    Criminals go to the street .... to compare the two is ridiculous.
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    pandora wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:



    He was a brave first responder .... thought and prayers to his loved ones.
    pandora wrote:
    Some people are just stronger than others, braver, it is in their make up to take control
    of situations, to be prepared, trained. We see these folks, we are thankful when they are there,
    with a gun or without.

    In the world of sheep these stand out. They will protect their neighbors and even
    a stranger when needed, risking their own lives because they know this is the
    right thing to do.

    Others know they must be able to protect themselves and their loved ones if the
    need arises. They are aware of the very personal dangers or circumstances they live in
    and are prepared as they see fit.

    Then there are some who are unprepared, untrained and weak ...
    with a gun or without,they will be a victim when the time comes,
    a victim of their own stupidity or of someone else's.
    I must have misunderstood your words here.
    Do you see a contradiction here... :lol:
    the fact you would compare the two statements is foolishness.

    Obviously a trained first responder police officer has a plan... yes?
    go back and read the explanation I have given for my words...
    it is about being prepared, trained ,responsible, have a plan whether you own a gun or not...
    oh and lock the doors too ;):lol:

    how many times does one need to explain before some get it?
    The same few refuse to understand and twist words
    but the fact they make light of this man dying...
    a hero, speaks volumes of them.
    I'm sorry. You're going to have to diagram this one out for me. I'm not try to be facetious...you've really lost me. Yes...he had a plan...he was prepared...and sadly he was shot. I need you to explain that highlighted part for me. I understand that it doesn't apply to
    a) Miss Ruby
    b) the lady in your neighboring town
    c) The police officer at Texas A&M

    I'm having trouble understanding when those words DO apply.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I'm sorry. You're going to have to diagram this one out for me. I'm not try to be facetious...you've really lost me. Yes...he had a plan...he was prepared...and sadly he was shot. I need you to explain that highlighted part for me. I understand that it doesn't apply to
    a) Miss Ruby
    b) the lady in your neighboring town
    c) The police officer at Texas A&M

    I'm having trouble understanding when those words DO apply.
    reply to follow off to work... :D
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,064
    The A&M shooters mom said he was ill and it's sad his illness led to this. Yet he still had no problem getting guns. Yeah, those laws are plenty strong. Now he and two others are dead over a eviction notice.
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    ComeToTX wrote:
    The A&M shooters mom said he was ill and it's sad his illness led to this. Yet he still had no problem getting guns. Yeah, those laws are plenty strong. Now he and two others are dead over a eviction notice.

    the fix for that seems ez enuff, mental sidorders should be reported to the state/fed's to add to the list of people that are not allowed to buy guns...or do they do that already ?
    can you imagine the amount of people that would not be allowed to buy guns ??? wow ! seems it might help.

    Godfather.
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,064
    Godfather. wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    The A&M shooters mom said he was ill and it's sad his illness led to this. Yet he still had no problem getting guns. Yeah, those laws are plenty strong. Now he and two others are dead over a eviction notice.

    the fix for that seems ez enuff, mental sidorders should be reported to the state/fed's to add to the list of people that are not allowed to buy guns...or do they do that already ?
    can you imagine the amount of people that would not be allowed to buy guns ??? wow ! seems it might help.

    Godfather.

    I posted somewhere in this long ass thread that mental disorders are rarely checked and in most states don't disqualify people anyway.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    edited August 2012
    Godfather. wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    The A&M shooters mom said he was ill and it's sad his illness led to this. Yet he still had no problem getting guns. Yeah, those laws are plenty strong. Now he and two others are dead over a eviction notice.

    the fix for that seems ez enuff, mental sidorders should be reported to the state/fed's to add to the list of people that are not allowed to buy guns...or do they do that already ?
    can you imagine the amount of people that would not be allowed to buy guns ??? wow ! seems it might help.

    Godfather.

    then you are treating everyone with depression as a second class citizen, as in, no longer able to obtain arms which is their given right under the second amendment, a right some of you hold so dear.

    I thought the second amendment shouldn't be altered? but now it can for mental illness? what about society's illness?
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    pandora wrote:
    Checks and balances on the internet rely on the individual making the purchase,
    or their parents.
    .

    relying on parental controls/responsibility, ESPECIALLY in the US, instead of simply changing some laws that don't affect law abiding citizens is utter foolishness.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Godfather. wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    The A&M shooters mom said he was ill and it's sad his illness led to this. Yet he still had no problem getting guns. Yeah, those laws are plenty strong. Now he and two others are dead over a eviction notice.

    the fix for that seems ez enuff, mental sidorders should be reported to the state/fed's to add to the list of people that are not allowed to buy guns...or do they do that already ?
    can you imagine the amount of people that would not be allowed to buy guns ??? wow ! seems it might help.

    Godfather.

    do you know what percentage of people with mental disorders are actually diagnosed? it's incredibly low, because people don't want to be stigmatized. at to that some rights might be taken away as an American, that number would drop to near zero.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    DS1119 wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    I think he's saying that by locking your doors you can't claim you are not living in fear, otherwise, why would you lock them?

    the difference being, DS, is that locking your doors has no potential to harm anyone. Oh, and stop using the car anology. you are free to use it again if someone drives their vehicle into a shopping mall with the express intent of mowing people down 60 times in one year.


    Sorry. Won't stop using the car analogy until it stops making logical sense. Or until it becomes harder to obtain a driver's license and vehicle than it does a firearm. These are very tragic stories...and I feel for those involved, I do, but I'm still waiting for the stories about legal fireamrs that didn't cause any harm yesterday. Also, why is no one in arms that 6 people were killed yesterday in a DWI accident in Albany?

    it doesn't make logical sense. you don't need to use a gun in every day life. it has no purpose other than to kill things. we use cars to get around. we use toasters to toast our bread, knives are used to slice food. accidents happen in every day life with appliances, I get what are you trying to say. but really it takes it a few steps too far when you are comparing something that is not used with intent to kill.

    a gun has no purpose other than to kill. do you use a rifle to chop wood? how about to make scrambled eggs? tell me ONE THING where a gun is used in everyday life for the average urban citizen (I'm not talking about farmers and killing pests-I have no issue with hunting).
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