The time I took a Government "Handout"

Prince Of Dorkness
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I got out of college (the first time) when I was 21. Unlike most students I had worked my ass off through school and a year later, I had quite a large savings in the bank and a good entry-level position in a good, solid company in purchasing which is what I wanted to do.
Then the economic reality that the company I was working for (a large Canadian department store) was run a bit ineptly by the kids of the guys who had done it for the previous few decades and I was laid off with a lot of other people.
No worries... I had some great job skills and my former manager said I did great work and could be a great reference for me.
I wasn't going to have trouble finding a job with my skills and connections and I was against "welfare" and "handouts" and people like me didn't collect unemployment. So I just lived off the rather large savings I had which was going to last me a few months and by then I'd have a job. (not a lot of 21 year-olds fresh out of college can say that. I wasn't irresponsible with my money)
Except I didn't get that job.
I wasn't the only one laid off and my short time at my previous job meant that I had less experience than the guys 10 years older than me got all the jobs I'd have been qualified to take.
So a few months later I had to eat shit and go to the unemployment office. I went in dressed like I'd be dressed for a job interview and the guy looked at me with disgust. I was a bit confused. He asked me a few random questions and found I hadn't been working for six months. He looked down his nose at me and spat "have you even been looking?"
When I explained that yes, I had but hadn't found anything that I'd qualify for but that my search continued, he looked at me again with a look of distain and said "well, this isn't just free money, you know... you're going to have to be looking for work and we're going to have to check up on you."
I told him that I hadn't worked in six months but that I'd supported myself on my savings BECAUSE I didn't want "free money" and that although I was young, I had held a job since I was 16 and had paid into the system that was supposed to be there for me if I needed help.
He begrudgingly handed me a few forms, told me I was going to have to wait 6 weeks for my claim to be processed and if I needed money in the meantime to go to Welfare and get an emergency check. While the idea was horrifying, I had spent every dime I'd saved, run all my lines of credit to their limits, sold everything I had of value and borrowed more from friends than I was comfortable with... AND I had enough food to get me through another day or two and my cat was out of cat food.
So I went to the Welfare office and I have to say it was one of the most humiliating experiences of my life. The way they looked at me - a well-dressed and clean guy - asking for a "hand out." It was awful. Now.. yes, I saw a few people walk in and get their checks that I thought looked like they didn't really need it and were totally capable of working. I caught myself judging them until I realized that I'd have thought the same thing about myself.
I got one welfare check. And was hired by another company the next day. I called the guy who'd interviewed me at the Unemployment office to tell him that I wouldn't be needing assistance and he said "I guess you just needed a bit of a slap with reality."
He was an asshole.
Quickly to end the story: I stayed in the corporate grind for years until one day at 32, my husband looked longingly at a Big-Screen TV (which in 2000 retailed for about $15,000) and said "why can't you buy this for me?" He was joking, of course, but I got a big sad as we moved walked past it.
I thought to myself "we deserve nice things, too" and realized that I was no better off or safer than I had been 10 years earlier... when the company I worked for got mis-managed by any idiot further up the chain, my lifeline would be cut and I'd be back at the welfare office being told I was lazy and asking for "free money."
Soon after my new plan was set and now I have my own business and I'm in control of it all. (and without government involvement making the internet accessible to all and overseeing online money transactions and regulating online piracy, I never would have been successful.)
The moral of the story is that not everyone who gets "hand outs" is a lazy person who hasn't worked or doesn't deserve it. Just like there are plenty of those "job creator" billionaires who took their big tax cuts and didn't create any jobs other than hiring a second massage therapist.
Then the economic reality that the company I was working for (a large Canadian department store) was run a bit ineptly by the kids of the guys who had done it for the previous few decades and I was laid off with a lot of other people.
No worries... I had some great job skills and my former manager said I did great work and could be a great reference for me.
I wasn't going to have trouble finding a job with my skills and connections and I was against "welfare" and "handouts" and people like me didn't collect unemployment. So I just lived off the rather large savings I had which was going to last me a few months and by then I'd have a job. (not a lot of 21 year-olds fresh out of college can say that. I wasn't irresponsible with my money)
Except I didn't get that job.
I wasn't the only one laid off and my short time at my previous job meant that I had less experience than the guys 10 years older than me got all the jobs I'd have been qualified to take.
So a few months later I had to eat shit and go to the unemployment office. I went in dressed like I'd be dressed for a job interview and the guy looked at me with disgust. I was a bit confused. He asked me a few random questions and found I hadn't been working for six months. He looked down his nose at me and spat "have you even been looking?"
When I explained that yes, I had but hadn't found anything that I'd qualify for but that my search continued, he looked at me again with a look of distain and said "well, this isn't just free money, you know... you're going to have to be looking for work and we're going to have to check up on you."
I told him that I hadn't worked in six months but that I'd supported myself on my savings BECAUSE I didn't want "free money" and that although I was young, I had held a job since I was 16 and had paid into the system that was supposed to be there for me if I needed help.
He begrudgingly handed me a few forms, told me I was going to have to wait 6 weeks for my claim to be processed and if I needed money in the meantime to go to Welfare and get an emergency check. While the idea was horrifying, I had spent every dime I'd saved, run all my lines of credit to their limits, sold everything I had of value and borrowed more from friends than I was comfortable with... AND I had enough food to get me through another day or two and my cat was out of cat food.
So I went to the Welfare office and I have to say it was one of the most humiliating experiences of my life. The way they looked at me - a well-dressed and clean guy - asking for a "hand out." It was awful. Now.. yes, I saw a few people walk in and get their checks that I thought looked like they didn't really need it and were totally capable of working. I caught myself judging them until I realized that I'd have thought the same thing about myself.
I got one welfare check. And was hired by another company the next day. I called the guy who'd interviewed me at the Unemployment office to tell him that I wouldn't be needing assistance and he said "I guess you just needed a bit of a slap with reality."
He was an asshole.
Quickly to end the story: I stayed in the corporate grind for years until one day at 32, my husband looked longingly at a Big-Screen TV (which in 2000 retailed for about $15,000) and said "why can't you buy this for me?" He was joking, of course, but I got a big sad as we moved walked past it.
I thought to myself "we deserve nice things, too" and realized that I was no better off or safer than I had been 10 years earlier... when the company I worked for got mis-managed by any idiot further up the chain, my lifeline would be cut and I'd be back at the welfare office being told I was lazy and asking for "free money."
Soon after my new plan was set and now I have my own business and I'm in control of it all. (and without government involvement making the internet accessible to all and overseeing online money transactions and regulating online piracy, I never would have been successful.)
The moral of the story is that not everyone who gets "hand outs" is a lazy person who hasn't worked or doesn't deserve it. Just like there are plenty of those "job creator" billionaires who took their big tax cuts and didn't create any jobs other than hiring a second massage therapist.
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as i explained in the other thread my dad didn't stop working or trying to find work while my family was on welfare. in fact about 70% of families on welfare have at least one member of the family working a full-time job. regardless he was treated in much the same way as you were when he went in to the welfare office - at least that's what he tells me. add to that the fact that many people are too proud to take welfare because, like you, they feel like it's unamerican.0
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RW81233 wrote:as i explained in the other thread my dad didn't stop working or trying to find work while my family was on welfare. in fact about 70% of families on welfare have at least one member of the family working a full-time job. regardless he was treated in much the same way as you were when he went in to the welfare office - at least that's what he tells me. add to that the fact that many people are too proud to take welfare because, like you, they feel like it's unamerican.
Well in my case, I'm Canadian and we're quite proud of our social safety net BUT I felt it was for people who were incapable of working or... well, beneath me. Which is why I'm glad I went through the experience, I guess. I know that just about anyone can suddenly find themselves unable to make it without help. We pay into the system and we shouldn't be made to feel guilty for taking it back out when we need to.0 -
Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
The moral of the story is that not everyone who gets "hand outs" is a lazy person who hasn't worked or doesn't deserve it. Just like there are plenty of those "job creator" billionaires who took their big tax cuts and didn't create any jobs other than hiring a second massage therapist.
I must say that those who have issues with "hand outs" have no idea what it's like on the other side of the fence. Hence the need to hurl the term derogatorily. I've only read half of the Ryan thread, but it amazes me the number of people that think that those receiving gov't services are nothing but lazy. Truly no clue there.0 -
i volunteered for like 3+ years at the food bank until they got moved to the suburbs ... i saw the people that had to come down for food and was told by the workers there that this isn't a place where people come strolling in all happy that they are getting a "free" meal ... life deals many hands and many of us are very very fortunate to be where we are ...0
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Prince Of Dorkness wrote:RW81233 wrote:as i explained in the other thread my dad didn't stop working or trying to find work while my family was on welfare. in fact about 70% of families on welfare have at least one member of the family working a full-time job. regardless he was treated in much the same way as you were when he went in to the welfare office - at least that's what he tells me. add to that the fact that many people are too proud to take welfare because, like you, they feel like it's unamerican.
Well in my case, I'm Canadian and we're quite proud of our social safety net BUT I felt it was for people who were incapable of working or... well, beneath me. Which is why I'm glad I went through the experience, I guess. I know that just about anyone can suddenly find themselves unable to make it without help. We pay into the system and we shouldn't be made to feel guilty for taking it back out when we need to.0 -
Prince - that seems to be the exact situation where the safety net is needed. It needs to be a safety tampoline instead of a safety spiderweb.hippiemom = goodness0
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RW81233 wrote:you know what's crazy is my parents kept it from us for years (the welfare check part we knew of the WiC) until I kinda did the math and started understanding policies a bit better. when i asked her she almost cried...cried over the fact that she had to take money to help keep her family alive?!?!? It seems that is the mindset many Americans and Canadians have.
I would think a family with 8 kids would have it difficult even with 1 parent working full time, unless that job pays ridiculously well.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Jeanwah wrote:
I must say that those who have issues with "hand outs" have no idea what it's like on the other side of the fence. Hence the need to hurl the term derogatorily. I've only read half of the Ryan thread, but it amazes me the number of people that think that those receiving gov't services are nothing but lazy. Truly no clue there.Prince Of Dorkness wrote:..... I felt it was for people who were incapable of working or...
We pay into the system and we shouldn't be made to feel guilty for taking it back out when we need to.
My husband worked for 20+ years and we were VERY comfortable. He suffered a massive stroke 4 years ago. I work but it's very difficult to make ends meet on my salary. He is on 'incapacity benefit' (which again, he paid into during his working years). He will never be able to work again. He does not want to be on benefits, he wants to 'do his share' to support his family. Unfortunately he will never be able to work again. He's not lazy or a scrounger, he's disabled.
Yes there are some who abuse the system, like with anything else in life. But putting everyone in the same basket is wrong.0 -
in all fairness to the non-socialists on this board ... they would probably agree that there are plenty of people who truly need assistance ... it really boils down to the fact they don't want to pay for that assistance ...0
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I agree that we can't put everyone into the same basket as well. It seems like opinions are treated like light-switches in these threads. On or off.
It's time to see that people with an opposing opinion may have dimmer switch installed.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
polaris_x wrote:in all fairness to the non-socialists on this board ... they would probably agree that there are plenty of people who truly need assistance ... it really boils down to the fact they don't want to pay for that assistance ...
I don't believe this is true either. I believe that plenty of people are willing to pay for the "assistance" as you call it. I think for most it's a disagreement about how long. But I could be wrong.hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat wrote:I don't believe this is true either. I believe that plenty of people are willing to pay for the "assistance" as you call it. I think for most it's a disagreement about how long. But I could be wrong.
i keep reading the comment ... "i don't want to be forced to pay into programs that don't benefit me" ... paraphrased of course ... and ... that the free market is most adept at taking care of these people ... i.e. if we had less taxes to pay ... there would be more money for people to contribute to church fundraisers and what not ...0 -
hedonist wrote:Jason P wrote:I agree that we can't put everyone into the same basket as well. It seems like opinions are treated like light-switches in these threads. On or off.
It's time to see that people with an opposing opinion may have dimmer switch installed.
I always see the opposing viewpoint as dimmer.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Why does the government do charity work best? In my mind, they aren't very good at even balancing a checkbook. They are very good at spending money on nonsense - like slug races. How in the world do you rationalize that they aren't wasting a lot of the money that's meant to be directed to these programs? Moreover, how do they provide checks to ensure there aren't "free riders"? Does anyone like paying for those free riders - the people who aren't looking for employment? How exactly are these gov't programs teaching people so they don't end up back with the same problem? Does the government have as much of an incentive to get them a job and off the books as a private enterprise would? Why can't one choose how they'd prefer to donate? Why does it need to be forced via taxes to do it the one way?
Moreover, why do some here equate ALL people who disagree with "government" forms of welfare, as people who hate the poor? For all you know, they contribute a hell of a lot more (as a percentage of their wealth) than you do - both in taxes and in charitable donations, they'd just prefer to the charitable donations because they know the tax money goes to slug races, running up more debt, hiring more useless gov't positions and printing money to hide it all.Here's a new demo called "in the fire":
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polaris_x wrote:in all fairness to the non-socialists on this board ... they would probably agree that there are plenty of people who truly need assistance ... it really boils down to the fact they don't want to pay for that assistance ...
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I appreciate the viewpoint of the OP.
For those of you who don't want to pay into a program that will not benefit you, and vow that you will never ever ever accept a "handout" or "free money" from your government.
Think twice.
By a simple sleight of hand it could just as easily be you.
Be careful what you wish for.
I hope you never have to collect, but having been there, I for one am extremely grateful that I was able to feed my children through some very hard times in the past.peace,
jo
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cincybearcat wrote:Prince - that seems to be the exact situation where the safety net is needed. It needs to be a safety tampoline instead of a safety spiderweb.
Point.
That's the deal. I am all for a hand up for those Americans who are down on their luck... for whatever reason.
I don't believe the hand up should evolve into a crutch.
I also believe that tossing out the entire system because there are people who abuse it is wrong... because i know there are people who really need the helping hand. Go after the criminal ones stealing it... instead of lumping the ones in need as the criminals.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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We (the USA) are a wealthy country with the means to take care of the vulnerable. Those who want to take these benefits away are borderline barbaric.
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See, I agree with this, Cosmo. I guess I get frustrated when it's inferred that because I (anyone) may think the system has some serious flaws that need to be fixed NOW, I become labelled as looking down on those who need that temporary help - not that anyone's opinion of me really matters in the end, but you know what I mean.
None of us are immune from needing a handup from time to time. Fuck knows I'm not, and have been there myself.
It'd be wonderful - rainbows & unicorns, actually :P - if the lumping would ease up on all sides.0
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