who thinks Johnny Guitar was not a very good song?

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  • Cortez the Killer sent me
    Cortez the Killer sent me Posts: 382
    I think Johnny Guitar is an Awesome song.
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    Big Bank Hank wrote:
    rrivers wrote:
    jfconnorjr wrote:
    It is not a good song.....maybe the worst PJ song in the bands history.
    I would challenge you to find a worse one.

    Gone and Thumbing My Way come to mind.
    both those songs are great
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArslVcMLeQ8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAj-uUE_mmU

    Showing a video of the songs do not make them better. At least JG has originality going for it.
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  • Big Bank Hank
    Big Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    videos or not, I think they are great songs, just my opinion
  • H.Chinaski
    H.Chinaski Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,600
    not my favorite track
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  • TroubledSoul
    TroubledSoul Posts: 1,374
    Big Bank Hank wrote:
    my song rankings for Backspacer rated on a scale of 1 to 10
    1.Got Some 9
    2.Supersonic 9
    3.Just Breathe 8.5
    4.The End 8
    5.Amongst The Waves 7.5
    6.Unthought Known 7.5
    7.Force Of Nature 7.5
    8.Speed Of Sound 7
    9.The Fixer 7
    10.Gonna See My Friend 5
    11.Johnny Guitar 3.5

    unthought known 7.5
    just breathe 5.5
    the end 5
    amongst the waves 5
    got some 5
    force of nature 4.5
    gonna see my friend 4
    the fixer 3
    speed of sound 2... redeemed by eds solo version which probably sneaks it up to a 3.5.
    supersonic 2
    johnny guitar 1.5

    and i reckon that's generous in parts.
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  • Karley
    Karley Posts: 506
    It's actually the opposite with me...at first I liked it very much, loved the version they played in Berlin two years ago. But nowadays I can't listen to it anymore!
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  • javis el errante
    javis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,144
    thefixer9 wrote:
    jfconnorjr wrote:
    It is not a good song.....maybe the worst PJ song in the bands history.
    I would challenge you to find a worse one.

    Stupid Mop.......

    I really like Johnny Guitar but then again I just frickin' love Backspacer......It's really different sounding for them but in a good way.

    I think that, with Stupid mop, they tried to do something like Revolution N° 9, and it went wrong... as if Revolution N° 9 was a cool song... anyway...
    Karley wrote:
    It's actually the opposite with me...at first I liked it very much, loved the version they played in Berlin two years ago. But nowadays I can't listen to it anymore!

    It happens, you get tired of some, or you simply worn them out...
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  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    I like it - it is a sweet and poignant song of unrequited love.
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  • RhinoJam
    RhinoJam Raleighwood Posts: 596
    I really dig the song now... but mostly from seeing it live and it growing on me... I was not crazy about the song at all when the album first came out... and really, on my first listen through Backspacer, I thought Force of Nature and Unthought Known were the tracks that really stood out... but the album and Johnny Guitar have grown on me now, but I still like it live more than I do the album version...
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  • drummerboy_73
    drummerboy_73 Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,011
    Big Bank Hank wrote:
    my song rankings for Backspacer rated on a scale of 1 to 10
    1.Got Some 9
    2.Supersonic 9
    3.Just Breathe 8.5
    4.The End 8
    5.Amongst The Waves 7.5
    6.Unthought Known 7.5
    7.Force Of Nature 7.5
    8.Speed Of Sound 7
    9.The Fixer 7
    10.Gonna See My Friend 5
    11.Johnny Guitar 3.5

    Supersonic 9 out of 10?! :?

    I would be curious to know how many of those who LIKE Johnny Guitar are musicians and how many are not.

    In past discussions with some of these more "obscure" tunes, there seems to have been a correlation between liking or disliking a song and whether or not one plays a musical instrument. It's been pretty distinct too - not much middle ground. For me, as a drummer, songs like Evacuation, Johnny Guitar, God's Dice, Big Wave, etc. are fun as hell to play on the drums and the rhythm and groove of a song are what I initially gravitate towards. The appreciation for the lyrics or a guitar solo usually comes later.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,642
    Did the song die :fp: :fp: Is Is Is
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  • javis el errante
    javis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,144
    it would be nice they play this one tonite
    ... I am not in the business of being liked anymore ...

  • Mamasan23
    Mamasan23 Posts: 16,390
    Actually one of my faves!
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  • papa_pearls_jam.pj20
    papa_pearls_jam.pj20 Chicago USA Posts: 2,142
    Not me...

    Johnny Guitar was, is, and always will be a VERY GOOD song.
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    drummerboy_73 wrote:
    Big Bank Hank wrote:
    my song rankings for Backspacer rated on a scale of 1 to 10
    1.Got Some 9
    2.Supersonic 9
    3.Just Breathe 8.5
    4.The End 8
    5.Amongst The Waves 7.5
    6.Unthought Known 7.5
    7.Force Of Nature 7.5
    8.Speed Of Sound 7
    9.The Fixer 7
    10.Gonna See My Friend 5
    11.Johnny Guitar 3.5

    Supersonic 9 out of 10?! :?

    I would be curious to know how many of those who LIKE Johnny Guitar are musicians and how many are not.

    In past discussions with some of these more "obscure" tunes, there seems to have been a correlation between liking or disliking a song and whether or not one plays a musical instrument. It's been pretty distinct too - not much middle ground. For me, as a drummer, songs like Evacuation, Johnny Guitar, God's Dice, Big Wave, etc. are fun as hell to play on the drums and the rhythm and groove of a song are what I initially gravitate towards. The appreciation for the lyrics or a guitar solo usually comes later.

    I like JG and I'm not a musician.

    I was surprised by Supersonic 9 out of 10 too.
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  • TheBeardedFellow
    TheBeardedFellow Posts: 328
    The first thing I thought of when i saw this song title was of Van Halen's Top Jimmy. And then it made me think of Top Jimmy and Johnny Guitar playing a gig together. And since then, I've been waiting for another of my favorite bands to write a song called Jerry Drumkits, and we can put the whole band together.
  • foriginalsin
    foriginalsin Posts: 713
    drummerboy_73 wrote:
    Big Bank Hank wrote:
    my song rankings for Backspacer rated on a scale of 1 to 10
    1.Got Some 9
    2.Supersonic 9
    3.Just Breathe 8.5
    4.The End 8
    5.Amongst The Waves 7.5
    6.Unthought Known 7.5
    7.Force Of Nature 7.5
    8.Speed Of Sound 7
    9.The Fixer 7
    10.Gonna See My Friend 5
    11.Johnny Guitar 3.5

    Supersonic 9 out of 10?! :?

    I would be curious to know how many of those who LIKE Johnny Guitar are musicians and how many are not.

    In past discussions with some of these more "obscure" tunes, there seems to have been a correlation between liking or disliking a song and whether or not one plays a musical instrument. It's been pretty distinct too - not much middle ground. For me, as a drummer, songs like Evacuation, Johnny Guitar, God's Dice, Big Wave, etc. are fun as hell to play on the drums and the rhythm and groove of a song are what I initially gravitate towards. The appreciation for the lyrics or a guitar solo usually comes later.

    Exactly, The 9 out of 10 for Supersonic is a red flag for me. Not that I hate supersonic, its an ok tune but its cake to play on guitar and kind of boring. I agree with you drummerboy, I wonder if there is a correlation between songs like Johnny Guitar, Gods Dice(wayyy underrated) and playing an instrument.

    Also, its not just about a song being hard/easy to play and the musicianship that goes into a song. As Eddie says Rockin in the Free world, "only has 3 fucking chords" and countless other songs like Brain of J are easy to play but they FUCKING ROCK. So, I dont want anyone to take this as, "only difficult songs are good songs." Thats not what I mean.

    Still though, I wonder about the correlation.
  • mdgsolo
    mdgsolo Posts: 796
    TheBeardedFellow wrote:
    The first thing I thought of when i saw this song title was of Van Halen's Top Jimmy. And then it made me think of Top Jimmy and Johnny Guitar playing a gig together. And since then, I've been waiting for another of my favorite bands to write a song called Jerry Drumkits, and we can put the whole band together.

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  • Big Bank Hank
    Big Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    Supersonic is a great song to listen to and I gave a 9 because I think Eddie does an awesome job on it, maybe 9 was generous, but I certainly wouldn't give it less than an 7, I threw that list together real fast in like 2 minutes, so the likelyhood of making a few mistakes was high, but hey I tried
  • pocketdeuces
    pocketdeuces Posts: 2
    Big Bank Hank's ranking of songs off album are way off, except for JG. 7s and 7.5s for the best songs on album? You are way off sir.
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