who thinks Johnny Guitar was not a very good song?

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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    foriginalsin wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    On a mostly pretty boring album, I think this one sticks out in a positive way. Think PJ brought something fresh and cool compared to their usual forays into punkier territory.


    Thank you. Its so different than any pj song. This is one of the few songs that strays from regular pj territory. Also the time signature is unique and not 4/4. Its more interesting to play than other songs. And the vocals and lyrics are GREAT. Do you guys see how eddie had to write vocals that intertwined with the odd time signature? And one my favorite Eddie tactics when write lyrics is his ability to create new words like foriginalsin :D. He has done this in many other songs too and its awesome.

    I swear sometimes I think a lot of pj fans just want them to write Jeremy and even flow 12 times on an album. You guys are boring.

    I agree here..
    Originally, Iwasnt into the song, and could take it or leave it. But I grew to appreciate how different it is. I dont ever go out of my way to listen to it. I like the delivery of the vocals..someone else here said it was rushed and disjointed -- thats exactly what I like about it, and never realized the 4/4 thing.

    I also like how its a weird story.

    Threads like this are great too, because I think all the people on the boards are very vaired in their opinions of Backspacer...I would guess more so than other albums.
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  • javis el errante
    javis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,144
    Big Bank Hank wrote:
    not saying it's bad but I ranked it #11 out of 11 songs on Backspacer, it's all right but nothing special just an okay song in my estimation, all opinions wanted

    my opinion too, nowadays I don't program CD songs, but in the old times I used to do it, a lot, johnny guittar would have been one of those I skipped in those days...
    ... I am not in the business of being liked anymore ...

  • wayne823
    wayne823 Posts: 67
    It is my least favorite on Backspacer.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    yum ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlhHuBqjH-0 .... this song is sexy as hell 8-)

    especially when you are a few feet away :D
  • dustinpardue
    dustinpardue Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,829
    to me, definitely the weakest track on Backspacer. Doesn't even really 'fit' the record to me, which is one reason I always skip it. I bet they had some B-side lying around that would have been way way better.
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    I dig it, especially the riff at the "can I sleep with the light on..." part.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • drummerboy_73
    drummerboy_73 Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,011
    rrivers wrote:
    I dig it, especially the riff at the "can I sleep with the light on..." part.

    +1 - the higher octave bass line in that part kills.
    deserteddotse wrote:
    Great tune from a mediocre album...

    +1 - my thoughts exactly.
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  • jjflash
    jjflash Posts: 5,031
    Not I said the fly. Love this song. Aside from the more sobering tracks like Just Breathe & The End, Johnny Guitar is a track that really stands out on Backspacer. Awesome back beat and stacatto lyrics. Just Breathe and The End are unique but fall more into the category of familiar ground and a continuation of what Ed delved into on the Into the Wild soundtrack. Johnny G, however, is something entirely new. A beast of its own. An experimental PJ song that, I think, were it released outside the context of Backspacer, say as a b-side or on a Long Dogs-like compilation, it would have commanded a whole lot more fan-love. Force of Nature on the other hand...speaking of a not very good song ;)
  • 100 Pacer
    100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,321
    I'm always astonished by the hate directed at Johnny Guitar.

    It's always fun hearing/watching the song being performed live - the band clearly enjoys playing it.
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  • Citizen Zack
    Citizen Zack Posts: 1,763
    foriginalsin wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    On a mostly pretty boring album, I think this one sticks out in a positive way. Think PJ brought something fresh and cool compared to their usual forays into punkier territory.


    Thank you. Its so different than any pj song. This is one of the few songs that strays from regular pj territory. Also the time signature is unique and not 4/4. Its more interesting to play than other songs. And the vocals and lyrics are GREAT. Do you guys see how eddie had to write vocals that intertwined with the odd time signature? And one my favorite Eddie tactics when write lyrics is his ability to create new words like foriginalsin :D. He has done this in many other songs too and its awesome.

    I swear sometimes I think a lot of pj fans just want them to write Jeremy and even flow 12 times on an album. You guys are boring.

    Different doesn't automatically equal good. It's subjective. If you like it, that's great. Personally, Johnny Guitar isn't for me. I see it as a weak song on a mediocre album. But I absolutely love Help Help, for instance, which isn't exactly Even Flow or Jeremy.
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  • Big Bank Hank
    Big Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    my song rankings for Backspacer rated on a scale of 1 to 10
    1.Got Some 9
    2.Supersonic 9
    3.Just Breathe 8.5
    4.The End 8
    5.Amongst The Waves 7.5
    6.Unthought Known 7.5
    7.Force Of Nature 7.5
    8.Speed Of Sound 7
    9.The Fixer 7
    10.Gonna See My Friend 5
    11.Johnny Guitar 3.5
  • jfconnorjr
    jfconnorjr Posts: 518
    It is not a good song.....maybe the worst PJ song in the bands history.
    I would challenge you to find a worse one.
  • Big Bank Hank
    Big Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    dustinpardue wrote:
    to me, definitely the weakest track on Backspacer. Doesn't even really 'fit' the record to me, which is one reason I always skip it. I bet they had some B-side lying around that would have been way way better.
    could not possibly agree more
  • Big Bank Hank
    Big Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    jfconnorjr wrote:
    It is not a good song.....maybe the worst PJ song in the bands history.
    I would challenge you to find a worse one.
    I went through every Pearl Jam song from their studio albums and I didn't find any
  • thefixer9
    thefixer9 Posts: 9,376
    jfconnorjr wrote:
    It is not a good song.....maybe the worst PJ song in the bands history.
    I would challenge you to find a worse one.

    Stupid Mop.......

    I really like Johnny Guitar but then again I just frickin' love Backspacer......It's really different sounding for them but in a good way.
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    jfconnorjr wrote:
    It is not a good song.....maybe the worst PJ song in the bands history.
    I would challenge you to find a worse one.

    Gone and Thumbing My Way come to mind.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • Big Bank Hank
    Big Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    rrivers wrote:
    jfconnorjr wrote:
    It is not a good song.....maybe the worst PJ song in the bands history.
    I would challenge you to find a worse one.

    Gone and Thumbing My Way come to mind.
    both those songs are great
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArslVcMLeQ8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAj-uUE_mmU
  • PJStatTracker
    PJStatTracker Posts: 2,400
    jfconnorjr wrote:
    It is not a good song.....maybe the worst PJ song in the bands history.
    I would challenge you to find a worse one.

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  • Big Bank Hank
    Big Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    PJStatTracker wrote:
    jfconnorjr wrote:
    It is not a good song.....maybe the worst PJ song in the bands history.
    I would challenge you to find a worse one.

    get right
    big wave
    get right gives it a run for it's money, but I like Big Wave, maybe it's a stoner thing
  • iamica
    iamica Chicago Posts: 2,628
    I was surprised at Johnny Guitar when I first heard it...to my knowledge, it's the first song PJ has written that has strong sexual overtones. Or at least, that's the way it seemed to me.
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