Obama starting to sound like Bush ?

Go Beavers wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

You seem pretty certain that Obama has done things that made the economy worse than necessary. What are those things that he did, and what should he have done differently? With you certainty, there must be some evidence to support your position.

Let's start with extending unemployment to a gazillion weeks. The proof of how this DOESN'T work is as different as Dinkins and Giuliani. Give a man a fish....

Feel free to clarify.

Sure - NYC Mayor David Dinkins stated that welfare rolls needed to be EXPANDED b/c folks couldn't fend for themselves.

NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani stated - welfare rolls NEED to be reduced, we NEED to give businesses reason to locate here and we NEED to fund law enforcement. Well, NYC prospered had its greatest tax revenue increase (Even though taxes were LOWERED for many businesses relocating there), Times Square has never been cleaner or more family safe/friendly and folks wanted the laws enforced. Not saying it was all positive. But, if you spent 10 minutes in NYC in the late '80s/early '90s and then another 10 in the late '90s/early 2000's, you would know what I am talking about. Literally Night(mare) and Day.

Go Beavers wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Give a man a fish....

Let's see if I'm understanding this. You're saying that Obama has made the economy worse by giving the example of extending unemployment compensation. Then you support this stance with a Dinkins vs. Giuliani comparison? You know Mayors of cities have nothing to do with public assistance and unemployment, right? You're saying that Obama needs to fund law enforcement at a higher level and make it more appealing for businesses to locate in the U.S.?

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Go Beavers wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Let's see if I'm understanding this. You're saying that Obama has made the economy worse by giving the example of extending unemployment compensation. Then you support this stance with a Dinkins vs. Giuliani comparison? You know Mayors of cities have nothing to do with public assistance and unemployment, right? You're saying that Obama needs to fund law enforcement at a higher level and make it more appealing for businesses to locate in the U.S.?

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I'm glad you understand how I feel.

I could make assumptions about what you're alluding to, but I'd rather you clarify.

Well, the analogy was not LITERAL. The point was liberals tend to focus on Robin Hood tactics that only work in the VERY short run, but wind up doing far more damage. Whereas conservatives tend to focus on helping folks to help themselves. Which, while painful in the short run is much more effective in the long run.

You can't take the comments about unemployment and directly link them to anything in a city economy as you point out. HOWEVER - in NYC there are many welfare programs that the mayor does have control over. Additionally, their power over what monies flow from the State to the City in these terms is also much different than any other economy. The fact is, NYC's economy is most like a State or even the Country than just about anywhere. Depending on the balance of power, the NYC Mayor is at times more powerful than the NY Governor believe it or not. Cuomo is tipping it back more to balanced/Governor, but when Rudy was Mayor, he held much more sway. Just think of the economic impact and taxes from businesses alone. Then consider the population it supports. Being Mayor of NYC is far more important or complicated than probably more than half the states' Governorships (including NY's at times). Sorry if I just trampled someone's ego.

In addition, Rudy didn't listen to naysayers or worry about his legacy. He knew if he did the right thing (lower welfare recipients, increase police presence), the right things would happend despite the Sharptons of the world trying to bring him down. Our current dear Prezzy was more worried about what folks thought of him (e.g. like Dinkins who made decisions based on what folks thought they wanted rather than what was better for the greater good) than actually doing the right thing. Though I tend to believe that comes with the territory of being incompetent. Competent folks don't worry about that because they know it will come out right.