This is what the war on drugs looks like

dignin
dignin Posts: 9,478
edited May 2012 in A Moving Train
Warning, NSFW maybe NSFL

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Nine bodies were found hanging from a bridge in Nuevo Laredo, a crime attributed to the Zetas . On the outskirts of the town hall of that city, were discovered 14 heads in refrigerators.
The first nine victims, five men and four women, led blindfolded and showed signs of torture, according to a source from the Mayor of that city, bordering the United States.
Alleged members of Los Zetas were attributed the murders of these people, who qualified as members of the rival Gulf Cartel , and they accused of attracting the attention of the security force attacks.
A message placed next to the corpses held responsible for having started the bombing of the headquarters of the municipal police, committed on 24 April.
Near the bridge to Nuevo Laredo, there were also decapitated bodies of 14 people in a vehicle. Human remains were in body bags inside a van parked outside the headquarters of the Association of Customs Agents.
The heads, meanwhile, were found in abandoned refrigerators near City Hall.
Weeks ago, on April 17, as many dismembered bodies were found in a vehicle parked next to the mayor of the city, with a message purportedly signed by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman , leader of the Sinaloa Cartel , announcing his arrival in the city to clean the "z".
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,066
    Meanwhile a group of 20 somethings were able to have a wild weekend at the club....hope it was worth it.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Maybe the United States needs to consider some sort of emergency executive order decriminalizing marijuana, and have obama form an immediate taskforce for the implementation of a federally regulated sales & distribution system for it?

    Or would violence then ensue between the gangs and legitimate growers \ distributors \ retailers, etc. ?
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  • brianlux
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    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Maybe the United States needs to consider some sort of emergency executive order decriminalizing marijuana, and have obama form an immediate taskforce for the implementation of a federally regulated sales & distribution system for it?

    Or would violence then ensue between the gangs and legitimate growers \ distributors \ retailers, etc. ?

    That is something to be considered. I spoke with a woman last year when the proposition was put forth in California to legalized marijuana for recreational purposes. She told me she knew growers who were strongly opposed to legalization. So what is the answer? Perhaps strong decriminalization of all drugs. The drug war obviously isn't the answer.
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,066
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Maybe the United States needs to consider some sort of emergency executive order decriminalizing marijuana, and have obama form an immediate taskforce for the implementation of a federally regulated sales & distribution system for it?

    Or would violence then ensue between the gangs and legitimate growers \ distributors \ retailers, etc. ?

    Decriminalize marijuana and the cartel's will just change their main product
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    mookeywrench wrote:
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Maybe the United States needs to consider some sort of emergency executive order decriminalizing marijuana, and have obama form an immediate taskforce for the implementation of a federally regulated sales & distribution system for it?

    Or would violence then ensue between the gangs and legitimate growers \ distributors \ retailers, etc. ?

    Decriminalize marijuana and the cartel's will just change their main product

    cool.

    blow is too expensive!

    ;)
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
      mookeywrench wrote:
      Meanwhile a group of 20 somethings were able to have a wild weekend at the club....hope it was worth it.
      I hope you're just as quick to condemn the consumers of diamonds, coffee, coltan, iphones, oil, etc, etc, putting the blame for the deaths attributed to those products at their feet.
      mookeywrench wrote:
      DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
      Maybe the United States needs to consider some sort of emergency executive order decriminalizing marijuana, and have obama form an immediate taskforce for the implementation of a federally regulated sales & distribution system for it?

      Or would violence then ensue between the gangs and legitimate growers \ distributors \ retailers, etc. ?

      Decriminalize marijuana and the cartel's will just change their main product
      Not sure if you guys are inferring that the cartel violence is tied to the MJ trade, or if you're saying they'd get involved after decrim....but from my knowledge, its all over coke....and yes, simple decrim with harsher penalties for growers does open the door for organized crime. Full legalization is the only way to go. For all drugs. The violence in Mexico is a direct result of the billions of dollars the US has given Mexico to fight the cartels, which essentially resulted in the Mexican government choosing sides. Its also a result of law enforcement efforts in other countries that caused smugglers to route cocaine thru Mexico instead of other traditional routes. If you search this topic, there were some good articles posted explaining this.
    • mookeywrench
      mookeywrench Posts: 6,066
      Drowned Out wrote:
        mookeywrench wrote:
        Meanwhile a group of 20 somethings were able to have a wild weekend at the club....hope it was worth it.
        I hope you're just as quick to condemn the consumers of diamonds, coffee, coltan, iphones, oil, etc, etc, putting the blame for the deaths attributed to those products at their feet.

        :roll:
      • Drowned Out
        Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
        mookeywrench wrote:
        Drowned Out wrote:
          mookeywrench wrote:
          Meanwhile a group of 20 somethings were able to have a wild weekend at the club....hope it was worth it.
          I hope you're just as quick to condemn the consumers of diamonds, coffee, coltan, iphones, oil, etc, etc, putting the blame for the deaths attributed to those products at their feet.

          :roll:
          Thanks for comin out. :roll: indeed.
        • mookeywrench
          mookeywrench Posts: 6,066
          Just another example of people trying to win arguments on the moving train rather than having a dialog.
        • Drowned Out
          Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
          mookeywrench wrote:
          Just another example of people trying to win arguments on the moving train rather than having a dialog.
          :? Huh? Care to elaborate? You made an off-the-cuff, generalized comment that could be made about nearly any industry, and I countered it. How was your first comment at all constructive dialogue? You responded with an eye roll....now you're accusing me of trying to win a debate instead of engaging in dialogue....while refusing to engage in debate or dialogue? That's rich.
        • Byrnzie
          Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
          Drowned Out wrote:
          mookeywrench wrote:
          Just another example of people trying to win arguments on the moving train rather than having a dialog.
          :? Huh? Care to elaborate? You made an off-the-cuff, generalized comment that could be made about nearly any industry, and I countered it. How was your first comment at all constructive dialogue? You responded with an eye roll....now you're accusing me of trying to win a debate instead of engaging in dialogue....while refusing to engage in debate or dialogue? That's rich.

          Don't worry about it 'Drowned Out', this is just a line people are now spinning when their comments are challenged or contradicted. I was also accused of being 'unwilling to discuss the issue' in the Palestine thread, after 17 pages of discussing the issue, and of backing everything I said with links and sources.

          Apparently, if you say something that people don't agree with, then you're unwilling to have a dialogue, or to discuss the issue. Although it appears that the word 'dialogue' can now also be applied to the posting of a smilie.
        • Drowned Out
          Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
          Byrnzie wrote:
          Drowned Out wrote:
          mookeywrench wrote:
          Just another example of people trying to win arguments on the moving train rather than having a dialog.
          :? Huh? Care to elaborate? You made an off-the-cuff, generalized comment that could be made about nearly any industry, and I countered it. How was your first comment at all constructive dialogue? You responded with an eye roll....now you're accusing me of trying to win a debate instead of engaging in dialogue....while refusing to engage in debate or dialogue? That's rich.

          Don't worry about it 'Drowned Out', this is just a line people are now spinning when their comments are challenged or contradicted. I was also accused of being 'unwilling to discuss the issue' in the Palestine thread, after 17 pages of discussing the issue, and of backing everything I said with links and sources.

          Apparently, if you say something that people don't agree with, then you're unwilling to have a dialogue, or to discuss the issue. Although it appears that the word 'dialogue' can now also be applied to the posting of a smilie.
          :lol:
          ya, I've been quietly following that thread, and noticed what you refer to. You're right; people seem to like to accuse others of being inflexible or unyeilding, (or my other fav of late: 'we will have to agree to disagree' once their 'points' have been thoroughly discredited).....so I wasn't surprised to see the (completely unfounded imo) accusation in that thread, esp given the history between you two....
          Being accused of it in this one did suprise me a bit, tho. Apparently calling someone out on a double-dip of hypocrisy is an offensively aggressive approach to some. Oh well.
        • mikepegg44
          mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
          mookeywrench wrote:
          DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
          Maybe the United States needs to consider some sort of emergency executive order decriminalizing marijuana, and have obama form an immediate taskforce for the implementation of a federally regulated sales & distribution system for it?

          Or would violence then ensue between the gangs and legitimate growers \ distributors \ retailers, etc. ?

          Decriminalize marijuana and the cartel's will just change their main product


          so legalize it all.
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        • USARAY
          USARAY Posts: 517
          Drowned Out wrote:
          (or my other fav of late: 'we will have to agree to disagree' once their 'points'
          ha i think that shows up when two people aren't ever going to agree hey that line is what the mods have said to do when its clear no one is forgivin make your point bud and then agree to disagree
          save you some stress you are all wound up why beat that damn horse of yours oh i know why did you know what the sound of beating a dead horse sounds like yak yak yak lmao
        • catefrances
          catefrances Posts: 29,003
          brianlux wrote:
          DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
          Maybe the United States needs to consider some sort of emergency executive order decriminalizing marijuana, and have obama form an immediate taskforce for the implementation of a federally regulated sales & distribution system for it?

          Or would violence then ensue between the gangs and legitimate growers \ distributors \ retailers, etc. ?

          That is something to be considered. I spoke with a woman last year when the proposition was put forth in California to legalized marijuana for recreational purposes. She told me she knew growers who were strongly opposed to legalization. So what is the answer? Perhaps strong decriminalization of all drugs. The drug war obviously isn't the answer.

          well of course growers are opposed to it being decriminalised. thatd mean theyd lose customers cause you could just grow it with the tomatoes out the back.
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        • USARAY
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          nah it won't be legal for us to grow it will be through govt distribution growers
          that's the only way the govt can make money otherwise they won't legalize it
        • Drowned Out
          Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
          My3bika wrote:
          Drowned Out wrote:
          (or my other fav of late: 'we will have to agree to disagree' once their 'points'
          ha i think that shows up when two people aren't ever going to agree hey that line is what the mods have said to do when its clear no one is forgivin make your point bud and then agree to disagree
          save you some stress you are all wound up why beat that damn horse of yours oh i know why did you know what the sound of beating a dead horse sounds like yak yak yak lmao
          not wound up bud at all I beat horse to yak yak I believe what I say purple turtle stress not in me the mods say people excuse it a use when shit backed up can't be then drop topic ignore counter point convenient way admit not shit of full gun gun pow pow lmao
        • DriftingByTheStorm
          DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
          Drowned Out wrote:
          My3bika wrote:
          Drowned Out wrote:
          (or my other fav of late: 'we will have to agree to disagree' once their 'points'
          ha i think that shows up when two people aren't ever going to agree hey that line is what the mods have said to do when its clear no one is forgivin make your point bud and then agree to disagree
          save you some stress you are all wound up why beat that damn horse of yours oh i know why did you know what the sound of beating a dead horse sounds like yak yak yak lmao
          not wound up bud at all I beat horse to yak yak I believe what I say purple turtle stress not in me the mods say people excuse it a use when shit backed up can't be then drop topic ignore counter point convenient way admit not shit of full gun gun pow pow lmao

          dude, did you go off your meds?
          what happened?
          guh?

          ???
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        • JonnyPistachio
          JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
          Drowned Out wrote:
          My3bika wrote:
          Drowned Out wrote:
          (or my other fav of late: 'we will have to agree to disagree' once their 'points'
          ha i think that shows up when two people aren't ever going to agree hey that line is what the mods have said to do when its clear no one is forgivin make your point bud and then agree to disagree
          save you some stress you are all wound up why beat that damn horse of yours oh i know why did you know what the sound of beating a dead horse sounds like yak yak yak lmao
          not wound up bud at all I beat horse to yak yak I believe what I say purple turtle stress not in me the mods say people excuse it a use when shit backed up can't be then drop topic ignore counter point convenient way admit not shit of full gun gun pow pow lmao

          :lol:
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        • dustinpardue
          dustinpardue Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,829
          DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
          mookeywrench wrote:
          DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
          Maybe the United States needs to consider some sort of emergency executive order decriminalizing marijuana, and have obama form an immediate taskforce for the implementation of a federally regulated sales & distribution system for it?

          Or would violence then ensue between the gangs and legitimate growers \ distributors \ retailers, etc. ?

          Decriminalize marijuana and the cartel's will just change their main product

          cool.

          blow is too expensive!

          ;)


          maybe that would take the price down
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