This is what the war on drugs looks like
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Nine bodies were found hanging from a bridge in Nuevo Laredo, a crime attributed to the Zetas . On the outskirts of the town hall of that city, were discovered 14 heads in refrigerators.
The first nine victims, five men and four women, led blindfolded and showed signs of torture, according to a source from the Mayor of that city, bordering the United States.
Alleged members of Los Zetas were attributed the murders of these people, who qualified as members of the rival Gulf Cartel , and they accused of attracting the attention of the security force attacks.
A message placed next to the corpses held responsible for having started the bombing of the headquarters of the municipal police, committed on 24 April.
Near the bridge to Nuevo Laredo, there were also decapitated bodies of 14 people in a vehicle. Human remains were in body bags inside a van parked outside the headquarters of the Association of Customs Agents.
The heads, meanwhile, were found in abandoned refrigerators near City Hall.
Weeks ago, on April 17, as many dismembered bodies were found in a vehicle parked next to the mayor of the city, with a message purportedly signed by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman , leader of the Sinaloa Cartel , announcing his arrival in the city to clean the "z".
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... dies-found
Nine bodies were found hanging from a bridge in Nuevo Laredo, a crime attributed to the Zetas . On the outskirts of the town hall of that city, were discovered 14 heads in refrigerators.
The first nine victims, five men and four women, led blindfolded and showed signs of torture, according to a source from the Mayor of that city, bordering the United States.
Alleged members of Los Zetas were attributed the murders of these people, who qualified as members of the rival Gulf Cartel , and they accused of attracting the attention of the security force attacks.
A message placed next to the corpses held responsible for having started the bombing of the headquarters of the municipal police, committed on 24 April.
Near the bridge to Nuevo Laredo, there were also decapitated bodies of 14 people in a vehicle. Human remains were in body bags inside a van parked outside the headquarters of the Association of Customs Agents.
The heads, meanwhile, were found in abandoned refrigerators near City Hall.
Weeks ago, on April 17, as many dismembered bodies were found in a vehicle parked next to the mayor of the city, with a message purportedly signed by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman , leader of the Sinaloa Cartel , announcing his arrival in the city to clean the "z".
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Or would violence then ensue between the gangs and legitimate growers \ distributors \ retailers, etc. ?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
That is something to be considered. I spoke with a woman last year when the proposition was put forth in California to legalized marijuana for recreational purposes. She told me she knew growers who were strongly opposed to legalization. So what is the answer? Perhaps strong decriminalization of all drugs. The drug war obviously isn't the answer.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Decriminalize marijuana and the cartel's will just change their main product
cool.
blow is too expensive!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I hope you're just as quick to condemn the consumers of diamonds, coffee, coltan, iphones, oil, etc, etc, putting the blame for the deaths attributed to those products at their feet.
Not sure if you guys are inferring that the cartel violence is tied to the MJ trade, or if you're saying they'd get involved after decrim....but from my knowledge, its all over coke....and yes, simple decrim with harsher penalties for growers does open the door for organized crime. Full legalization is the only way to go. For all drugs. The violence in Mexico is a direct result of the billions of dollars the US has given Mexico to fight the cartels, which essentially resulted in the Mexican government choosing sides. Its also a result of law enforcement efforts in other countries that caused smugglers to route cocaine thru Mexico instead of other traditional routes. If you search this topic, there were some good articles posted explaining this.
:roll:
Don't worry about it 'Drowned Out', this is just a line people are now spinning when their comments are challenged or contradicted. I was also accused of being 'unwilling to discuss the issue' in the Palestine thread, after 17 pages of discussing the issue, and of backing everything I said with links and sources.
Apparently, if you say something that people don't agree with, then you're unwilling to have a dialogue, or to discuss the issue. Although it appears that the word 'dialogue' can now also be applied to the posting of a smilie.
ya, I've been quietly following that thread, and noticed what you refer to. You're right; people seem to like to accuse others of being inflexible or unyeilding, (or my other fav of late: 'we will have to agree to disagree' once their 'points' have been thoroughly discredited).....so I wasn't surprised to see the (completely unfounded imo) accusation in that thread, esp given the history between you two....
Being accused of it in this one did suprise me a bit, tho. Apparently calling someone out on a double-dip of hypocrisy is an offensively aggressive approach to some. Oh well.
so legalize it all.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
save you some stress you are all wound up why beat that damn horse of yours oh i know why did you know what the sound of beating a dead horse sounds like yak yak yak lmao
well of course growers are opposed to it being decriminalised. thatd mean theyd lose customers cause you could just grow it with the tomatoes out the back.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
that's the only way the govt can make money otherwise they won't legalize it
dude, did you go off your meds?
what happened?
guh?
???
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I get this.
maybe that would take the price down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY
the only drug that should be legalized is weed, it should have been done
well over a decade ago
so...
lets get on with it already
"marijuana users and gays will burn in hell. praise the lord." - bunk ass americans
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
and that is a hell I can see myself in...I bet it would be fun as hell...throw in the porn community and 80's rock starts and you got yourself one hell of a party
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
The only way legalizing everything is if crack and heroin are given away to addicts for free by government agencies. Because for one thing, no way does any legitimate company start selling a product that if used correctly can result in instant death. If they did the first time a junkie OD's his family sues the company and they go broke. So with that taken into consideration if people wanted to buy crack or heroin they would still need to buy it from some shady guy on the corner, who could charge whatever he wanted for it and the addicts would still be stealing shit to get the money to pay for it. I would be ok with giving shit away for free but I think a lot of people would have problems (especially sick people) with the fact that they have to pay for their medication to stay alive, while some guy who wants to get high can get government funded crack.
Do people currently successfully sue alcohol companies when someone od's on that?
Of course not, but it is almost impossible to die of alcohol poisoning after a couple of drinks which is what most people would call reasonable use (although people have sued bars for serving intoxicated people who end up dying from drinking too much). I don't think it is unheard of to die after using heroin a couple of times. Especially since it is easy to slap a label on a bottle of rum that says please use in moderation, but what exactly is moderation for heroin use (would they have dosage recommendations on the package)? And even if the lawsuits wouldn't be successful, how many companies would want to gamble to find out since getting sued still costs money even if you don't lose?
It doesn't matter what you "think" would happen. Everything you are preaching about here is mere conjecture on your part. It is entirely possible that someone could come up with a business plan that would offer the product with appropriate use guidelines and still be profitable regardless of whether or not litigation could potentially become pending. In response to me, you mention people have sued bars for serving intoxicated people who end up dying from drinking too much. I ask you, have bars gone extinct or do they still exist?
I find it interesting enough to know that before heroin was banned it was used as an alternative to morphine in the medical industry. Keeping in mind that it was banned due to recreational use, not medicinal use.
arrogant and dismissive to the other poster.
Sorry but gotta love it ... "a business plan" to make these drugs profitable :fp: ...
yeah, thats just what we need, another parasite corporation who cares nothing for
the health and safety of people :twisted:
I'm not a doctor, but I don't think I'm going out on a ledge to say that drug deaths are almost always due to overdose, or heart problems. If production is regulated and quality controlled, you can easily give a 'recommended dosage', with the usual disclaimers about side effects (ie: not recommended for people with heart conditions etc). No different than any other pharmaceutical.