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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited April 2012
    pandora wrote:
    No baiting here explanation of exactly how it happened.
    While away from the board I thought I had not looked up the definition and should for myself
    I even mentioned that to you I believe, then another poster chimed in
    and had me questioning what my belief to be.
    But upon searching the next day where you quote here I saw I was correct in my thinking.

    I see your assumptions about Ted will forever keep that hate going for you.
    So I will not approach the subject of you ever forgiving him even after his dues are paid.

    While I don't always agree I like his enthusiasm, his convictions, his humor
    and his guitar! :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE9xg42J51o

    Always an explanation after being 'caught out' ;)

    What makes you think I have 'hate' for Nugent (or 'going for me')? I have no sentiment for this person - whatever it may be. You assume things that are not - too often. You like to use these words - hate, coldness, closed heart, etc. Judging again? Why would I even contemplate forgiving him (or anyone one else breaking the law) or not? IIt's not my remit. I've got nothing to do with him and he has nothing to do with me. He doesn't need my blessing. You assume things that are not - too often. If you feel such a 'connection' with nugent that you feel you know him and you feel you need to love him and forgive him, fine, do it :? I'm sure Nugent will appreciate.
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  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    rollings wrote:
    Here's a different angle.

    I can't think of a bigger mockery to God, than hanging one of His beautiful creation's HEAD on my wall.

    Think about it. We don't own animals. Who in the world do we think we are?
    Hanging a HEAD on a WALL...isn't that the utmost form of disrespect available? to the animal and to God?

    You see, the human race,, the most "intelligent" and the most "evolved" species are so smart we are stupid.

    Anyone who choses to exercise their "free will" by hanging a head on a wall shows just what kind of person they are, whether it's a legal crime or not, it's a crime against God and against nature and against beauty and against what is GOOD.

    And as far as using animals for food...Animals HAVE been part of the food chain since day whatever. The most important thing I feel is a humane life and a humane death for animals that are raised for food. (Temple Grandin has done alot towards the humane treatment of cattle both in life, death, and even on their way to death)

    I feel my part in this battle is to begin investigation on what needs to be done or who needs to be contacted so that the word "humane" can be changed to something more fitting. if "humane" is a derivative of the word "human", I believe the way humans have been treating animals would leave the word "humane" to be something most undesirable.

    :clap:

    I love God and all His creations......NOW LET'S KILL ALL THE ANIMALS AND DESTROY THE LAND!!!!
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Following rollings' post, I'm doing a lil' copy and paste of a post hedonist put in the 'quote's thread. This it follows on quite nicely!
    hedonist wrote:
    The people of your culture cling with fanatical tenacity to the specialness of man. They want desperately to perceive a vast gulf between man and the rest of creation. This mythology of human superiority justifies their doing whatever they please with the world, just the way Hitler’s mythology of Aryan superiority justified his doing whatever he pleased with Europe. But in the end this mythology is not deeply satisfying. The Takers are a profoundly lonely people. The world for them is enemy territory, and they live in it like an army of occupation, alienated and isolated by their extraordinary specialness.

    No one species shall make the life of the world its own. That's one expression of the law. Here's another: 'The world was not made for any one species.' ......
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    rollings wrote:
    Here's a different angle.

    I can't think of a bigger mockery to God, than hanging one of His beautiful creation's HEAD on my wall.

    Think about it. We don't own animals. Who in the world do we think we are?
    Hanging a HEAD on a WALL...isn't that the utmost form of disrespect available? to the animal and to God?

    You see, the human race,, the most "intelligent" and the most "evolved" species are so smart we are stupid.

    Anyone who choses to exercise their "free will" by hanging a head on a wall shows just what kind of person they are, whether it's a legal crime or not, it's a crime against God and against nature and against beauty and against what is GOOD.

    And as far as using animals for food...Animals HAVE been part of the food chain since day whatever. The most important thing I feel is a humane life and a humane death for animals that are raised for food. (Temple Grandin has done alot towards the humane treatment of cattle both in life, death, and even on their way to death)

    I feel my part in this battle is to begin investigation on what needs to be done or who needs to be contacted so that the word "humane" can be changed to something more fitting. if "humane" is a derivative of the word "human", I believe the way humans have been treating animals would leave the word "humane" to be something most undesirable.
    Trophy hunting has a history of noble people who respect admire honor animals
    through many cultures.
    It is convenient to be ok with killing to eat because people are to selfish to give up meat.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    redrock wrote:
    Following rollings' post, I'm doing a lil' copy and paste of a post hedonist put in the 'quote's thread. This it follows on quite nicely!
    hedonist wrote:
    The people of your culture cling with fanatical tenacity to the specialness of man. They want desperately to perceive a vast gulf between man and the rest of creation. This mythology of human superiority justifies their doing whatever they please with the world, just the way Hitler’s mythology of Aryan superiority justified his doing whatever he pleased with Europe. But in the end this mythology is not deeply satisfying. The Takers are a profoundly lonely people. The world for them is enemy territory, and they live in it like an army of occupation, alienated and isolated by their extraordinary specialness.

    No one species shall make the life of the world its own. That's one expression of the law. Here's another: 'The world was not made for any one species.' ......

    Very nice. Human exceptionalism, the myth of anthropocentric domination (thanks, Genesis 1:26).
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    Always an explanation after being 'caught out' ;)
    :fp:

    well I will defend untruths...
    always thinking the same that you caught me when that is never the case :nono:
    just another bias on your part that everyone has seen :oops:
    enough about you on me ... talk about Ted...

    I think this was posted in the other thread but perhaps some might like to hear
    this common sense no mess Ted on bearing arms
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzJbpA8_ ... re=related
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,189
    Tritone wrote:
    Trophy hunting has a history of noble people who respect admire honor animals
    through many cultures.
    It is convenient to be ok with killing to eat because people are to selfish to give up meat.
    are you saying that killing an animal and putting it's head on the wall is honoring that animal?

    i would think that letting it live and appreciating it with the eyes in the wild would be honoring the animal...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Tritone wrote:
    Trophy hunting has a history of noble people who respect admire honor animals
    through many cultures.
    It is convenient to be ok with killing to eat because people are to selfish to give up meat.
    are you saying that killing an animal and putting it's head on the wall is honoring that animal?

    i would think that letting it live and appreciating it with the eyes in the wild would be honoring the animal...

    Excellent point, gimme. The few people I've met who have put the heads of animals they killed on the wall have done it purely out of ego as if shooting an animal with a gun and sticking it on the wall make them superior. As far as I'm concerned, it's an extreme act of arrogance.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Always an explanation after being 'caught out' ;)
    :fp:

    well I will defend untruths...
    always thinking the same that you caught me when that is never the case :nono:
    just another bias on your part that everyone has seen :oops:
    enough about you on me ... talk about Ted...

    I think this was posted in the other thread but perhaps some might like to hear
    this common sense no mess Ted on bearing arms
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzJbpA8_ ... re=related

    Read the comments on this video's page. It's great!!
    Anyway, I am sick and tired of this bulls%$t of "Obama is taking my guns away."
    Give me proof that he has tried to do that to you personally or to responsible gunowners--and not just to people like Jared Loughner--and I will concede defeat.
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Tritone wrote:
    Trophy hunting has a history of noble people who respect admire honor animals
    through many cultures.
    It is convenient to be ok with killing to eat because people are to selfish to give up meat.
    are you saying that killing an animal and putting it's head on the wall is honoring that animal?

    i would think that letting it live and appreciating it with the eyes in the wild would be honoring the animal...
    you are not a hunter do you eat meat? if so do you just look at the cattle
    chickens and pigs or do you honor them by killing them and eating them?
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    brianlux wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Tritone wrote:
    Trophy hunting has a history of noble people who respect admire honor animals
    through many cultures.
    It is convenient to be ok with killing to eat because people are to selfish to give up meat.
    are you saying that killing an animal and putting it's head on the wall is honoring that animal?

    i would think that letting it live and appreciating it with the eyes in the wild would be honoring the animal...

    Excellent point, gimme. The few people I've met who have put the heads of animals they killed on the wall have done it purely out of ego as if shooting an animal with a gun and sticking it on the wall make them superior. As far as I'm concerned, it's an extreme act of arrogance.

    Arrogance, or an extreme case of SPS (Small penis Syndrome).
    :D
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    That too, Whygohome! :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    redrock wrote:
    Fantastically said Rollings, though not a God person, I will read 'humanity' instead of God (no disrespect intended - I hope non taken).

    Right, it is the same thing....humanity, animality, spirituality, the beauty and the splendor of the earth, ....and that's not even mentioning all of the universe.....all the stuff we DON'T know about

    We are all humans and we all fall.....none of us are perfect in living a life that is perfectly right and respecting what is sacred and good.

    It is one thing to make a mistake, but quite another to so actively, purposefully, and especailly--grandiosely--disrespect the above ( "humanity, animality, spirituality, the beauty and the splendor of the earth, ....and that's not even mentioning all of the universe.....all the stuff we DON'T know about")
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited April 2012
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Always an explanation after being 'caught out' ;)
    :fp:

    well I will defend untruths...
    always thinking the same that you caught me when that is never the case :nono:
    just another bias on your part that everyone has seen :oops:

    Damn.... I've been caught out.... again it would seem... and for all to see! :o :fp: Guess that's what happens when one doesn't 'cloak' one's posts in mumbo jumbo.

    Damn.... I am getting really cross at myself now. **stop biting red!**
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  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    brianlux wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Tritone wrote:
    Trophy hunting has a history of noble people who respect admire honor animals
    through many cultures.
    It is convenient to be ok with killing to eat because people are to selfish to give up meat.
    are you saying that killing an animal and putting it's head on the wall is honoring that animal?

    i would think that letting it live and appreciating it with the eyes in the wild would be honoring the animal...

    Excellent point, gimme. The few people I've met who have put the heads of animals they killed on the wall have done it purely out of ego as if shooting an animal with a gun and sticking it on the wall make them superior. As far as I'm concerned, it's an extreme act of arrogance.
    Few people ok that is all you need to make a general statement like that.
    Look at the history man. The other Teddy might have a good laugh at the narrow
    minded arrogance right there.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited April 2012
    Tritone wrote:
    Trophy hunting has a history of noble people who respect admire honor animals
    through many cultures. .

    Whilst I have no doubt that 'noble' people throughout history (most probably earlier history) will have trophy hunted, I would still not class the act of trophy hunting as noble.

    Hunting doesn't have to be 'nasty' (and most on this thread accept that this is the case). Historically, look at the 'communion' between man and hunted animal in the Native American culture, where respect is paramount to the hunt (respect of mother earth and all that roams in general). There were many rituals involved before and after the hunt as these animals were all powerful beings as well and had to be respected. Disrespect could mean dire consequences for the whole spirituality of the hunter and potentially his family/tribe. So yes, there is no conflict with ethical hunting and respect of the animal, though it doesn't have to be to the point of these rituals.
    Post edited by redrock on
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    just curious..how can you guy's talk all this animal love and claim to have the animals best interest in heart
    then kick off yer leather shoes remove yer learther belt and then enjoy a big fat farm fed turkey and a big fat farm fed ham on thanksgiving ? :fp:

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,189
    Tritone wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Tritone wrote:
    Trophy hunting has a history of noble people who respect admire honor animals
    through many cultures.
    It is convenient to be ok with killing to eat because people are to selfish to give up meat.
    are you saying that killing an animal and putting it's head on the wall is honoring that animal?

    i would think that letting it live and appreciating it with the eyes in the wild would be honoring the animal...
    you are not a hunter do you eat meat? if so do you just look at the cattle
    chickens and pigs or do you honor them by killing them and eating them?
    dude, talk about the topic. my comments are in this thread and i am not retyping them.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,189
    brianlux wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Tritone wrote:
    Trophy hunting has a history of noble people who respect admire honor animals
    through many cultures.
    It is convenient to be ok with killing to eat because people are to selfish to give up meat.
    are you saying that killing an animal and putting it's head on the wall is honoring that animal?

    i would think that letting it live and appreciating it with the eyes in the wild would be honoring the animal...

    Excellent point, gimme. The few people I've met who have put the heads of animals they killed on the wall have done it purely out of ego as if shooting an animal with a gun and sticking it on the wall make them superior. As far as I'm concerned, it's an extreme act of arrogance.
    it is the same reason why kings put decapitated heads on a pike. it is a power and an ego thing.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    rollings wrote:
    Right, it is the same thing....humanity, animality, spirituality, the beauty and the splendor of the earth, ....and that's not even mentioning all of the universe.....all the stuff we DON'T know about

    We are all humans and we all fall.....none of us are perfect in living a life that is perfectly right and respecting what is sacred and good.

    It is one thing to make a mistake, but quite another to so actively, purposefully, and especailly--grandiosely--disrespect the above ( "humanity, animality, spirituality, the beauty and the splendor of the earth, ....and that's not even mentioning all of the universe.....all the stuff we DON'T know about")
    Bravo.
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