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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    I think it's great if someone chooses to not pay taxes because they know that money is going to be used to kill innocent people or in way's that are hurting the country. It's a real stand,

    And it would be unfortunate to limit these peoples freedom to travel due to having the guts to not want to pay taxes towards the war machine and other waste. The very thing's that are so instrumental in bringing this world down.

    (50k or more in back taxes)
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    What about the positive things our taxes go toward? Granted there's a ridiculous amount of waste and overspending, but there are also important and valuable components for which we pay, such as police, firefighters, etc.

    I don't think this is something anyone living here can have the luxury of picking and choosing. Unfortunately, it's all or none. And those with the "guts" to not pay their taxes eventually put the burden on others.
  • 81
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    i have no problem with this....

    pay your taxes.....
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    hedonist wrote:
    What about the positive things our taxes go toward? Granted there's a ridiculous amount of waste and overspending, but there are also important and valuable components for which we pay, such as police, firefighters, etc.

    I don't think this is something anyone living here can have the luxury of picking and choosing. Unfortunately, it's all or none. And those with the "guts" to not pay their taxes eventually put the burden on others.

    Yes yes of course, still pay towards the 'positive' things.
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    How much of ones taxes (%) generally goes towards current military spending/wars? 30-40%? I guess if one could approx - that % worth of funds from ones taxes and just pay towards the 'positive' things.

    Money is what our governments take notice of and as long as they continue to waste our tax dollars, It's probably right?fair?just? to take a stand in this way and stop payment of said taxes.

    Our governments burden us by wasting our taxes. Trillions on war? Imagine trillions for health care? Education?

    I dunno hedo, Like giving a child money, until they learn how to spend it, use it wisely and not waste it. They probably should not have it.

    I guess when our governments mature enough, and start to aim our funds in a better direction, then perhaps I'd agree with the "just pay all your taxes" line.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Idris wrote:
    I think it's great if someone chooses to not pay taxes because they know that money is going to be used to kill innocent people or in way's that are hurting the country. It's a real stand,

    And it would be unfortunate to limit these peoples freedom to travel due to having the guts to not want to pay taxes towards the war machine and other waste. The very thing's that are so instrumental in bringing this world down.

    (50k or more in back taxes)


    i agree.. it is great if someone chooses not to pay their taxes as some sort of moral stand however dont expect to be able to travel internationallly if paying taxes is one of the provisos of that travel.
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  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    I think most of you guys are missing the point about why I posted this. I agree people should pay their taxes. But the idea that the federal gov can keep people from leaving the country and the idea that most of you see nothing wrong with the federal gov having that much power I find very disturbing. No.. Then again I don't bcos you leftist are all about dictating to people how they should live their lives and what they can and can't do.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Leaving the country could be seen as ditching on what you owe...
    like never coming back, leaving the government with the bag.

    I would hope this is our governments thought/motive for restricting departure,
    not a punishment or loss of personal freedom.

    Taxes are really out of control though when one adds together, out of every dollar we make,
    how much goes to them on all levels.
    But not paying them is unwise ... someone close to me just had their bank accounts frozen.
    If you want worries, mess with the government... he's been looking quite pale lately.

    I have plenty of worry ... don't need more
    I will struggle to pay my taxes and penalties on time like a good small business owner.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    WaveCameCrashin wrote:
    I think most of you guys are missing the point about why I posted this. I agree people should pay their taxes. But the idea that the federal gov can keep people from leaving the country and the idea that most of you see nothing wrong with the federal gov having that much power I find very disturbing. No.. Then again I don't bcos you leftist are all about dictating to people how they should live their lives and what they can and can't do.
    Morning, Mr. Wave!

    I'm neither left nor right; I go with what makes sense, to me. Definitely for limited government.

    However, the way I see it, this isn't so much about government power but of people stepping up and being responsible like the rest of us - like most of us, I should say. No one is exempt, and if one feels they are, then that's one of the prices paid.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,869
    WaveCameCrashin wrote:
    I think most of you guys are missing the point about why I posted this. I agree people should pay their taxes. But the idea that the federal gov can keep people from leaving the country and the idea that most of you see nothing wrong with the federal gov having that much power I find very disturbing. No.. Then again I don't bcos you leftist are all about dictating to people how they should live their lives and what they can and can't do.
    i understand what you are saying, but with all due respect, you sound like a child who is angry because his mom won't let him have dessert because he did not eat his broccoli. there are certain responsibilities we have as citizens, and among the most important of them is paying our taxes. not paying them is a serious offense. what did they get al capone on? murder? no. racketeering? no? tax evasion?? ding ding ding....

    the federal government should reserve the right to determine if tax cheats, who are breaking the law by the way, can or can't leave the country. as someone said earlier, that can be viewed as the same thing as skipping out on your responsibilities as a citizen.

    if someone wants to leave the country and skip out on their responsibilities, go for it. just do not complain to me that the big bad government is somehow infringing on your rights or not giving you due process when they arrest you when you try to come back...
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  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    WaveCameCrashin wrote:
    I think most of you guys are missing the point about why I posted this. I agree people should pay their taxes. But the idea that the federal gov can keep people from leaving the country and the idea that most of you see nothing wrong with the federal gov having that much power I find very disturbing. No.. Then again I don't bcos you leftist are all about dictating to people how they should live their lives and what they can and can't do.
    i understand what you are saying, but with all due respect, you sound like a child who is angry because his mom won't let him have dessert because he did not eat his broccoli. there are certain responsibilities we have as citizens, and among the most important of them is paying our taxes. not paying them is a serious offense. what did they get al capone on? murder? no. racketeering? no? tax evasion?? ding ding ding....

    the federal government should reserve the right to determine if tax cheats, who are breaking the law by the way, can or can't leave the country. as someone said earlier, that can be viewed as the same thing as skipping out on your responsibilities as a citizen.

    if someone wants to leave the country and skip out on their responsibilities, go for it. just do not complain to me that the big bad government is somehow infringing on your rights or not giving you due process when they arrest you when you try to come back...



    :lol: no I'm not angry.. I just don't like the idea of this. There are thousands of different ways where someone isn't trying to cheat uncle Sam and might have to leave the country. Were not subjects you know, although that's how they see us as. And I think it's funny how some people have no problem with people coming here illegally and claiming they are American citizens so they can get gov assistance and not paying any federal taxes. And not to mention this jerk..

    http://freebeacon.com/more-money-more-problems/


    BY: Bill McMorris - April 18, 2012 12:41 pm
    MSNBC’s Al Sharpton is reeling in debt and back taxes.

    The liberal provocateur owes nearly $1 million to creditors and the federal government as a result of his failed bid for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination.

    His campaign’s unpaid bills exceed $888,000, according to federal filings.

    It is unclear why Sharpton has not paid his creditors. He does not lack for income.

    Sharpton has his own primetime talk show on liberal network MSNBC, a platform he used to drive the Trayvon Martin shooting story that rocked the nation and led to the arrest of Democratic neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman.

    In August 2011, Sharpton took over the 6 p.m. slot from Keith Olbermann, who earned more than $4 million per year working in the same slot at the network. Sharpton also drew a $240,000 salary from his nonprofit group, National Action Network, in 2011 even as the group racked up nearly $1 million in unpaid federal payroll taxes, interest, and penalties.

    NAN has dealt with major finance issues in the last few years. The nonprofit raised $3 million in 2010, and paid off its state back taxes in 2011, but still owed $883,000 in unpaid federal payroll taxes in December. The group also owed more than $200,000 in loans to one of Sharpton’s for-profit enterprises.

    Sharpton, who has endorsed President Barack Obama’s calls for taxing the rich, has his own tax issues. He owed the IRS $2.6 million in income taxes in December 2011, as well as almost $900,000 in New York state taxes.

    Sharpton financed his presidential run, in part, by borrowing large sums of money from his struggling nonprofit.

    Sharpton borrowed more than $181,000 from NAN—money that is now supposed to be refunded. Sharpton also loaned $145,000 to the campaign to finance a fundraising push.

    His largest creditor is the federal government; the campaign owes the Federal Elections Commission and the U.S. Treasury Department more than $225,000.

    Sharpton could not capitalize on his national reputation as a rabble-rouser in the 2004 Democratic primary, losing out to Sen. John Kerry (D., Mass.). But he did make waves in the race, slamming then-frontrunner Howard Dean for not having enough minorities on his campaign—a charge that has also dogged the Obama campaign—during an Iowa debate.

    Sharpton skipped out on debts big and small. In addition to the six figure sums he borrowed from his nonprofit and leveraged from campaign consultants, he has not paid a $0.33 charge to a group called Xpedite, as well as a $2.50 ATM fee to Amalgamated Bank.

    Sharpton’s presidential committee owed more than $900,000 to creditors late in 2011, according to Politico, after paying down the $208,000 in civil penalties the campaign owed the FEC for “failing to report accurately all receipts and expenditures, receiving excessive and prohibited in-kind contributions and accepting impermissible corporate contributions,” according to the FEC. The campaign has established a payment schedule to address the fines for campaign violations and other federal charges, according to the FEC.

    “Now that the civil penalties have been satisfied, the campaign is contacting vendors to construct a debt resolution plan that must be submitted to the FEC for approval,” spokeswoman Rachel Noerdlinger told Politico in November. “While Rev. Sharpton, as candidate, helped to raise the money to resolve the civil penalties, the additional debt will be reviewed by the campaign and remedied in accordance to FEC’s rules and regulations.”

    Calls to Sharpton’s creditors have not been returned.

    This entry was posted in Democratic Donors, Media and tagged Al Sharpton, FEC. Bookmark the permalink.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    WaveCameCrashin wrote:


    :lol: no I'm not angry.. I just don't like the idea of this. There are thousands of different ways where someone isn't trying to cheat uncle Sam and might have to leave the country. Were not subjects you know, although that's how they see us as. And I think it's funny how some people have no problem with people coming here illegally and claiming they are American citizens so they can get gov assistance and not paying any federal taxes. And not to mention this jerk..

    http://freebeacon.com/more-money-more-problems/


    BY: Bill McMorris - April 18, 2012 12:41 pm
    MSNBC’s Al Sharpton is reeling in debt and back taxes.

    The liberal provocateur owes nearly $1 million to creditors and the federal government as a result of his failed bid for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination.

    His campaign’s unpaid bills exceed $888,000, according to federal filings.

    It is unclear why Sharpton has not paid his creditors. He does not lack for income.

    Sharpton has his own primetime talk show on liberal network MSNBC, a platform he used to drive the Trayvon Martin shooting story that rocked the nation and led to the arrest of Democratic neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman.

    In August 2011, Sharpton took over the 6 p.m. slot from Keith Olbermann, who earned more than $4 million per year working in the same slot at the network. Sharpton also drew a $240,000 salary from his nonprofit group, National Action Network, in 2011 even as the group racked up nearly $1 million in unpaid federal payroll taxes, interest, and penalties.

    NAN has dealt with major finance issues in the last few years. The nonprofit raised $3 million in 2010, and paid off its state back taxes in 2011, but still owed $883,000 in unpaid federal payroll taxes in December. The group also owed more than $200,000 in loans to one of Sharpton’s for-profit enterprises.

    Sharpton, who has endorsed President Barack Obama’s calls for taxing the rich, has his own tax issues. He owed the IRS $2.6 million in income taxes in December 2011, as well as almost $900,000 in New York state taxes.

    Sharpton financed his presidential run, in part, by borrowing large sums of money from his struggling nonprofit.

    Sharpton borrowed more than $181,000 from NAN—money that is now supposed to be refunded. Sharpton also loaned $145,000 to the campaign to finance a fundraising push.

    His largest creditor is the federal government; the campaign owes the Federal Elections Commission and the U.S. Treasury Department more than $225,000.

    Sharpton could not capitalize on his national reputation as a rabble-rouser in the 2004 Democratic primary, losing out to Sen. John Kerry (D., Mass.). But he did make waves in the race, slamming then-frontrunner Howard Dean for not having enough minorities on his campaign—a charge that has also dogged the Obama campaign—during an Iowa debate.

    Sharpton skipped out on debts big and small. In addition to the six figure sums he borrowed from his nonprofit and leveraged from campaign consultants, he has not paid a $0.33 charge to a group called Xpedite, as well as a $2.50 ATM fee to Amalgamated Bank.

    Sharpton’s presidential committee owed more than $900,000 to creditors late in 2011, according to Politico, after paying down the $208,000 in civil penalties the campaign owed the FEC for “failing to report accurately all receipts and expenditures, receiving excessive and prohibited in-kind contributions and accepting impermissible corporate contributions,” according to the FEC. The campaign has established a payment schedule to address the fines for campaign violations and other federal charges, according to the FEC.

    “Now that the civil penalties have been satisfied, the campaign is contacting vendors to construct a debt resolution plan that must be submitted to the FEC for approval,” spokeswoman Rachel Noerdlinger told Politico in November. “While Rev. Sharpton, as candidate, helped to raise the money to resolve the civil penalties, the additional debt will be reviewed by the campaign and remedied in accordance to FEC’s rules and regulations.”

    Calls to Sharpton’s creditors have not been returned.

    This entry was posted in Democratic Donors, Media and tagged Al Sharpton, FEC. Bookmark the permalink.


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