Need a passport? Owe the IRS ?
WaveCameCrashin
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Just another example..
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/ ... e-the-irs/
If he were in charge of travel, the Soup Nazi might say, “No Passport for you!” In real life, travel may seem unrelated to taxes, except perhaps for those annoying airport taxes on international destinations. But a bigger tax and travel connection could keep you at home—permanently.
A tax law quietly proposed a few months ago—Owe IRS Taxes, Lose Your Passport—is quietly gaining momentum. Now more people have noticed. If you owe the IRS? You’re not going anywhere if this law passes. In America, we love to tinker with our tax laws. Congress is always introducing one bill or another to tweak an already bloated and increasingly dysfunctional tax system.
It’s curious how ingredients go into the sausage, often making strange legislative bedfellows. Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) proposed that if you owe the IRS more then $50,000, you shouldn’t get a passport. See Sen. Orrin Hatch’s Memo to Reporters and Editors. Now this ‘we-need-the-money’ provision has morphed into Senate Bill 1813, introduced by Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA). It was introduced in November and passed by the Senate on March 14 “to reauthorize Federal-aid highway and highway safety construction programs, and for other purposes.”
At best, there seems a titular connection between this provision and highway safety. Nevertheless, the law would authorize the federal government to prevent Americans from leaving the country if they owe back taxes. It was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid who proposed allowing the State Department to revoke, deny or limit passports for anyone the IRS certifies as having “a seriously delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.”
Does this apply in all cases? Mercifully no. You could travel if your tax debt is being paid in a timely manner or in emergency circumstances or for humanitarian reasons. But this isn’t limited to criminal tax cases or situations where the government fears someone is fleeing a tax debt.
In fact, if the bill is passed you could have your passport revoked merely because you owe say $60,000 and the IRS has filed a notice of lien. Bear in mind that the IRS files tax liens routinely when you owe taxes—it’s just the IRS way of putting creditors on notice so the IRS will eventually get paid. See Tax Liens Means IRS Thinks You Owe. In that sense, this you-can’t-travel idea seems pretty extreme.
Some commentators note that a far smaller sum of unpaid child support can trigger the same kind of passport action. Why shouldn’t unpaid taxes, they argue? Others attack the proposal as potentially unconstitutional.
Stay tuned as this proposed law is debated.
Just another example..
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/ ... e-the-irs/
If he were in charge of travel, the Soup Nazi might say, “No Passport for you!” In real life, travel may seem unrelated to taxes, except perhaps for those annoying airport taxes on international destinations. But a bigger tax and travel connection could keep you at home—permanently.
A tax law quietly proposed a few months ago—Owe IRS Taxes, Lose Your Passport—is quietly gaining momentum. Now more people have noticed. If you owe the IRS? You’re not going anywhere if this law passes. In America, we love to tinker with our tax laws. Congress is always introducing one bill or another to tweak an already bloated and increasingly dysfunctional tax system.
It’s curious how ingredients go into the sausage, often making strange legislative bedfellows. Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) proposed that if you owe the IRS more then $50,000, you shouldn’t get a passport. See Sen. Orrin Hatch’s Memo to Reporters and Editors. Now this ‘we-need-the-money’ provision has morphed into Senate Bill 1813, introduced by Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA). It was introduced in November and passed by the Senate on March 14 “to reauthorize Federal-aid highway and highway safety construction programs, and for other purposes.”
At best, there seems a titular connection between this provision and highway safety. Nevertheless, the law would authorize the federal government to prevent Americans from leaving the country if they owe back taxes. It was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid who proposed allowing the State Department to revoke, deny or limit passports for anyone the IRS certifies as having “a seriously delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.”
Does this apply in all cases? Mercifully no. You could travel if your tax debt is being paid in a timely manner or in emergency circumstances or for humanitarian reasons. But this isn’t limited to criminal tax cases or situations where the government fears someone is fleeing a tax debt.
In fact, if the bill is passed you could have your passport revoked merely because you owe say $60,000 and the IRS has filed a notice of lien. Bear in mind that the IRS files tax liens routinely when you owe taxes—it’s just the IRS way of putting creditors on notice so the IRS will eventually get paid. See Tax Liens Means IRS Thinks You Owe. In that sense, this you-can’t-travel idea seems pretty extreme.
Some commentators note that a far smaller sum of unpaid child support can trigger the same kind of passport action. Why shouldn’t unpaid taxes, they argue? Others attack the proposal as potentially unconstitutional.
Stay tuned as this proposed law is debated.
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this one is simple....pay your taxes....
problem solved...
you're welcome...0 -
inmytree wrote:this one is simple....pay your taxes....
problem solved...
you're welcome...
so by saying that you could cover all bases like ..
this one is simple...don't kill anyone and ...you won't be put to death by a state or federal prison.
really though it's a lot more than that..it's our government giving them selfs more control over the people
of our country and if something don't happen soon things will only get worse.
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inmytree wrote:this one is simple....pay your taxes....
problem solved...
you're welcome...
It's not that simple in some cases. You probably have no idea how many people.... Never mind you wouldn't even under stand. Put it this way. Some people that actually own corporations and don't work for someone else. Are struggling right now and may not be able to pay all of their taxes in oe lump sum. Can you at least comprehend that? And the fed gov doesn't have the right to deny a citizen if they want to travel outside of the country.0 -
How about this.. Maybe you can process this. Ok let's say you need to travel to Europe for a family emergency and you couldn't get a passport bcos you owed back taxes. Would that get your attention? I know the word liberty isn't in your vocab but hopefully someday it will.0
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WaveCameCrashin wrote:inmytree wrote:this one is simple....pay your taxes....
problem solved...
you're welcome...
It's not that simple in some cases. You probably have no idea how many people.... Never mind you wouldn't even under stand. Put it this way. Some people that actually own corporations and don't work for someone else. Are struggling right now and may not be able to pay all of their taxes in oe lump sum. Can you at least comprehend that? And the fed gov doesn't have the right to deny a citizen if they want to travel outside of the country.
if they can't afford to pay their taxes...how can they afford travel outside the US...?
aren't we a nation of laws....?0 -
WaveCameCrashin wrote:How about this.. Maybe you can process this. Ok let's say you need to travel to Europe for a family emergency and you couldn't get a passport bcos you owed back taxes. Would that get your attention? I know the word liberty isn't in your vocab but hopefully someday it will.
no it wouldn't...pay your taxes...it's that simple...I know you want to toss in a bunch of what-ifs to fit your narrative...but this couldn't be more simple, pay your taxes and pass go....
why is that so hard to understand...?0 -
Godfather. wrote:inmytree wrote:this one is simple....pay your taxes....
problem solved...
you're welcome...
so by saying that you could cover all bases like ..
this one is simple...don't kill anyone and ...you won't be put to death by a state or federal prison.
really though it's a lot more than that..it's our government giving them selfs more control over the people
of our country and if something don't happen soon things will only get worse.
Godfather.
gloom and doom....the sky is falling....the world will end if those who don't pay their taxes can't get a passport...
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i don't care. pay your fucking taxes.
the people complaining about this in this country are the same people complaining about deficits.
you can't fix the deficit without taking in income.
why would anybody give a tax dodger a pass in a situation like this?
so pay your fucking obligations and THEN take your trip.
it's that simple.
people will attack me and say i have a problem with liberty or some crap along those lines. no, we live in a country of laws and one of those laws is to pay what you owe in taxes. if you don't do that then you should not get a passport. people can get arrested for unpaid parking tickets, why should owing taxes be any different than that?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
well we can add this to the turd soup then see how many passports get scooped up next year.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04 ... 0-billion/
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WaveCameCrashin wrote:How about this.. Maybe you can process this. Ok let's say you need to travel to Europe for a family emergency and you couldn't get a passport bcos you owed back taxes. Would that get your attention? I know the word liberty isn't in your vocab but hopefully someday it will.
I sometimes wonder if you actually read all of the articles you post0 -
WaveCameCrashin wrote:inmytree wrote:this one is simple....pay your taxes....
problem solved...
you're welcome...
It's not that simple in some cases. You probably have no idea how many people.... Never mind you wouldn't even under stand. Put it this way. Some people that actually own corporations and don't work for someone else. Are struggling right now and may not be able to pay all of their taxes in oe lump sum. Can you at least comprehend that? And the fed gov doesn't have the right to deny a citizen if they want to travel outside of the country.
If your own your own corporation, you need to make sure that you leave enough money in the corp so that you can make sufficient estimated tax payments and/or payroll tax deposits in order to avoid getting into a bad tax situation.0 -
This will probably just inspire more of the rich to place their money in offshore tax havens.0
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and yet, you have just enough banked to meet this emergency?WaveCameCrashin wrote:How about this.. Maybe you can process this. Ok let's say you need to travel to Europe for a family emergency and you couldn't get a passport bcos you owed back taxes. Would that get your attention? I know the word liberty isn't in your vocab but hopefully someday it will._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Byrnzie wrote:This will probably just inspire more of the rich to place their money in offshore tax havens.
U.S. taxpayers are now required to list their foreign bank accounts when filing their tax returns, so it is easier to get busted for tax fraud if you hide money offshore.0 -
Perhaps a reason to not pay taxes?
Activist Sheehan says she has court date today for refusing to pay taxes
Anti-war crusader Cindy Sheehan said she will appear in federal court today to defend her decision not to pay taxes.
"I refuse to fund the empire's crimes and wars," Sheehan said in a press release. "I feel a certain amount of guilt that my taxes were used to murder my own son."
Her website says that she has been asked to appear in court by the U.S. Attorney on behalf of the Internal Revenue Service.
In October, she told an Occupy Sacramento crowd that U.S. military spending is the reason for economic misery that prompted demonstrations around the nation.
She told the demonstrators that California taxpayers have contributed tens of billions of tax dollars toward "illegal and immoral wars" waged by the United States.
http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2012/04/activist-sheehan-says-she-has-court-date-today-for-refusing-to-pay-taxes.html
I reckon it may be quite an interesting 'Court appearance'.
How much of ones taxes (%) generally goes towards military spending/wars? 30-40%? I guess if one could - that % worth of funds from your taxes and pay the rest. That may work out, it could potentially be easier to defend that action in court. But this all involves taking a stand, which can be a lot of work, so just pay taxes and move on.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/4/12/war_and_taxes_with_40_of
btw in that same 'transportation bill' They are proposing,
SEC. 31406. VEHICLE EVENT DATA RECORDERS.
(a) Mandatory Event Data Recorders-
(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813/text0 -
Idris wrote:Perhaps a reason to not pay taxes?
Activist Sheehan says she has court date today for refusing to pay taxes
Anti-war crusader Cindy Sheehan said she will appear in federal court today to defend her decision not to pay taxes.
"I refuse to fund the empire's crimes and wars," Sheehan said in a press release. "I feel a certain amount of guilt that my taxes were used to murder my own son."
Her website says that she has been asked to appear in court by the U.S. Attorney on behalf of the Internal Revenue Service.
In October, she told an Occupy Sacramento crowd that U.S. military spending is the reason for economic misery that prompted demonstrations around the nation.
She told the demonstrators that California taxpayers have contributed tens of billions of tax dollars toward "illegal and immoral wars" waged by the United States.
http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2012/04/activist-sheehan-says-she-has-court-date-today-for-refusing-to-pay-taxes.html
I reckon it may be quite an interesting 'Court appearance'.
How much of ones taxes (%) generally goes towards military spending/wars? 30-40%? I guess if one could - that % worth of funds from your taxes and pay the rest. That may work out, it could potentially be easier to defend that action in court. But this all involves taking a stand, which can be a lot of work, so just pay taxes and move on.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/4/12/war_and_taxes_with_40_of
btw in that same 'transportation bill' They are proposing,
SEC. 31406. VEHICLE EVENT DATA RECORDERS.
(a) Mandatory Event Data Recorders-
(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813/text
what did most on this thread say ???? quote.."pay your fuvking taxes"
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Really pay your fucking taxes i don't get what the fuss is all about and if you owe 50k doesn't that mean
1- You make a lot of $$$$$$
2- you haven't been paying taxes in a long time .....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Godfather. wrote: what did most on this thread say ???? quote.."pay your fuvking taxes"
Godfather.
So?0 -
josevolution wrote:Really pay your fucking taxes i don't get what the fuss is all about and if you owe 50k doesn't that mean
1- You make a lot of $$$$$$
2- you haven't been paying taxes in a long time .....
Based on a very simple computaion, if an average person owes $50,000 in Federal taxes, it equates to taxable income of $180,000.0
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