Frances Bean Cobain has responded to her mother Courtney Love's recent Twitter rant accusing Foo Fighters frontman Dave Grohl of hitting on her 19-year-old daughter.
"While I'm generally silent on the affairs of my biological mother, her recent tirade has taken a gross turn," says Cobain. "I have never been approached by Dave Grohl in more than a platonic way. I'm in a monogamous relationship and very happy. Twitter should ban my mother."
Grohl also shot down Love's accusations. "Unfortunately Courtney is on another hateful Twitter rant," he said in a statement released late yesterday. "These new accusations are upsetting, offensive and absolutely untrue."
What are they supposed to say....."yeah we went at it like rabbits and got our freak on baby!" I mean seriously they are not going to admit it if they did. Who really cares anyway.......unless she was under age when it happened? Unfortunately I don't see his music getting better because of this so it's really pointless.
Because really all you are going on, if you believe this all to be true, is courtney's statement. Theres not to my knowledge been any fan who has posted on a board or run to tell the tabloids "hey i met dave and he's a jerk". Dave has been scandal free pretty much his entire career. Ive never heard any fellow musician talk about him in a negative way. Every interview ive ever seen or read has indicated the guy is exactly what he is and has been portrayed as for the past 20 plus years. So no, i dont think to believe he is a good guy is exactly the same as believing him to be a cheater. One has evidence to suggest it, one doesnt. If evidence comes out to suggest he did it, fine. At this point though, its obvious, its a single statement from courtney love.
And lets not forget her long standing hatred of Dave and Krist. As far as I know, the fued between her and Dave stretches back to 2001 when the Greatest Hits of Nirvana were released. Courtney publicly said Kurt hated Dave and Krist, and called them not integral to Nirvana. I remember something about her saying Kurt was Nirvana, and that Kurt had told her that Dave and Krist werent important. She blocked the release of You Know Your Right and tried to prevent Dave and Krist from making money and royalties off it for just this reason despite the fact that of course Dave and Krist are featured on it. That was 2001. Frances was what 13 years old. So, whatever problems that are between Dave and Courtney really have nothing to do with Frances.
I think its important to consider the whole story. The beginnings and genesis of it, and how long its gone on. Since 2001, Courtney has bashed Dave in various outlets. What her problem with him is, and what it started from I have no idea, but as I said this has nothing to do with Frances. It never did.
Im one of those people, that you know, requires actual evidence of something, to believe it. I dont slander or call people things, or accuse people of things unless there is actual evidence. Thats the case in this particular story, and its something I hold tight to and adhere to, in general, and in life.
The Foo Fighters music has gotten worse and worse and it's seriously now as bad as anything Nickelback puts out but because he was the drummer in Nirvana he doesn't get called out on it.
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I've defended Courtney plenty of times in the past, I think she's had a tough life so it's no surprised she has so many issues.........
But, this has turned really ugly. I think her hatred of Dave Grohl stems not so much from the business decisions made around Nirvana's music, but because Dave did what she couldn't do - he moved on, and he' had an incredibly successful career since Kurt's death. The desperation on her part is scary, fair enough go after a grown man and call him all the names you want, but to go after your own daughter like this is really sad.
It's obvious she needs help, and fast. I really wouldn't be surprised if she ends up going the same way as Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson - she's clearly not living in the same world as the rest of us, and probably hasn't done for a long time. Just sad all round.
The Foo Fighters music has gotten worse and worse and it's seriously now as bad as anything Nickelback puts out but because he was the drummer in Nirvana he doesn't get called out on it.
The Foo Fighters music has gotten worse and worse and it's seriously now as bad as anything Nickelback puts out but because he was the drummer in Nirvana he doesn't get called out on it.
I've defended Courtney plenty of times in the past, I think she's had a tough life so it's no surprised she has so many issues.........
But, this has turned really ugly. I think her hatred of Dave Grohl stems not so much from the business decisions made around Nirvana's music, but because Dave did what she couldn't do - he moved on, and he' had an incredibly successful career since Kurt's death. The desperation on her part is scary, fair enough go after a grown man and call him all the names you want, but to go after your own daughter like this is really sad.
It's obvious she needs help, and fast. I really wouldn't be surprised if she ends up going the same way as Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson - she's clearly not living in the same world as the rest of us, and probably hasn't done for a long time. Just sad all round.
and part of it, you feel really bad for her. we all should. Kurts death was hard enough on his fans. can you imagine what it was like on his loved ones? The fact dave moved on is true, but it took years for him to deal with it. Im sure he still is dealing with it. Kurts death was shocking in a way few things are, it was and remains one of the most significant events of our generation.
the fact she has had major problems dealing with it, moving on, coming to terms with it is expected, could be expected.
Actually, now that i think, the courtney/dave feud stretches back further than 2001. Wasnt that first single from the Foo's first album, "ill stick around" a pointed reference to courtney? that wasnt about frances.
the problems between courtney and dave stem back by my recollection to 1995. The idea this is an issue about frances, thats a smokescreen. its never been about frances. nor do I think its about dave. Its dave and courtney, thats the issue
The Foo Fighters music has gotten worse and worse and it's seriously now as bad as anything Nickelback puts out but because he was the drummer in Nirvana he doesn't get called out on it.
I dunno if it's as bad as Nickelback, but it's just about as bland and formulaic.
thats really not the issue though is it. Bands can be bland and formulaic, and still be good people. This wasnt about a bland and generic band. This was an attack on the character and reputation of dave. thats something else entirely.
thats really not the issue though is it. Bands can be bland and formulaic, and still be good people. This wasnt about a bland and generic band. This was an attack on the character and reputation of dave. thats something else entirely.
No and you're right.
It's always the people you least suspect that turn out to be scum bags.
All I can say is he rubs me the wrong way alot of times and I've never thought of him as some beacon of morality. Him banging some young chick wouldn't surprise me in the least bit. There's a certain extra creepy factor to him doing the dirty with Cobain's daughter, but those rock stars can be pretty freaky. I didn't get the insinuation that it happened when she was younger.
and part of it, you feel really bad for her. we all should. Kurts death was hard enough on his fans. can you imagine what it was like on his loved ones? The fact dave moved on is true, but it took years for him to deal with it. Im sure he still is dealing with it. Kurts death was shocking in a way few things are, it was and remains one of the most significant events of our generation.
the fact she has had major problems dealing with it, moving on, coming to terms with it is expected, could be expected.
Actually, now that i think, the courtney/dave feud stretches back further than 2001. Wasnt that first single from the Foo's first album, "ill stick around" a pointed reference to courtney? that wasnt about frances.
the problems between courtney and dave stem back by my recollection to 1995. The idea this is an issue about frances, thats a smokescreen. its never been about frances. nor do I think its about dave. Its dave and courtney, thats the issue
Oh yeah it goes all the way back. The thing is Dave is by nature fairly happy go lucky (so far as he has always come across in the media), kind of like Dave Abbruzzese was in Pearl Jam, where Kurt obviously had a very dark side which came out through his music Dave always came across as being of a lighter disposition - I think Courtney finds that jarring, it's all about the tortured genius for her, and Dave has been successful by just being himself. It's like she thinks Dave isn't aware quite how indebted he is to Kurt, which I don't think is the case.
and courtneys always been like this. im from eugene, and at the time of kurts death her family was still living here. she spent time at a juvenile detention facility here as a kid. by all accounts she had a pretty traumatic and crazy childhood and teen years. she was accused of doing heroin when she was pregnant with frances. and to lose kurt in such a violent way, and to have to deal with that in the public eye. and to have a significant amount of people say you were responsible for his death. i mean that would be tough for anyone to handle and deal with. thats all going to have an effect.
plus lets not forget this isnt some news or tidbit of info she heard from the people involved and then decided to expose it. frances and dave have denied it. And who was the source of the info about dave? wasnt it a cab driver? how the hell would he know? this is "a friend of a friend" type gossip.
frances and courtney also arent close and havent been for years. Kurt's mother and sister had been her primary caregivers and parents for years. she's obviously now living on her own with her husband. As far as i know, she has had little if any contact with her mom. Read her statement about the comments Courtney made. She refers to her as her "biological mother". that says alot and mirrors what i said, she doesnt view courtney as her mom, she's been raised by kurts family. Remember in 2001 or something, she lost custody of frances. thats when kurts family stepped in. I would highly doubt courtney was invited to the wedding frances had last year was it? I see no way courtney could glean any indications from frances that would warrant a mother being worried about stuff like this. I would wager Michael Stipe, who is her godfather has more contact, and is closer to her than courtney is.
As i said, i go by fact and history. Dave's history is clean, and unblemished. And so is frances'. Kurt was a a major influence in my life, and ive tried to keep tabs on what Frances is up to over the years. She's never been in tabloids for being caught with drugs. never been photographed stumbling out of a bar drunk. Never been given a DUI, or arrested. Im sorry, to convince me of some sort of incident or affair, im going to need a little more than a cab driver's "tell all" tale to courtney!
plus look at the tweets she made during that same twitter rant. Courtney accused dave of being obsessed with kurt, naming his daughter after a Courtney song in Hole, that Taylor looks like Kurt. That doesnt make much sense to me, and i dont think it makes sense to anyone really. These two, dave and courtney have disliked each other for a long time, this is just a new chapter in this long long story.
and as someone previously posted, i have no doubt dave has deep pride and honor and very loving feelings toward kurt and his friendship with him. I dont see anything in the nearly 20 years since kurts death, to suggest dave has dishonored kurts memory. yes dave plays different music than he used to in nirvana. but by all indications kurt was talking about trying something new musicially as well. maybe a blues album. acoustic. REM collab. Who knows.
That could be it as well. theres long been pretty compelling rumors that had kurt lived through 1994, that he was considering maybe leaving nirvana, or trying new musical paths, possibly leaving nirvana. they had already backed out of lolla. i think courtney seems to misunderstand that as "kurt hating dave and krist". i dont think they hated one another. Theres no evidence of that.
i could see kurt doing that. quitting nirvana to become a painter. or pull a radiohead and release a folk album or experiment in other styles. Or maybe he could have quit the music buisness forever and just do something else with his life. or take a long time releasing album 3. And i wish he would have. One would have to think that was a dilemma in his mind near the time of his death, what his options were, and how to proceed. i obviously wish he would have gone that route.
maybe there is even some feelings of her blaming dave and krist for his death. after all they were his close friends, why couldnt they have stopped or alerted people of what his mental state was, maybe thats what she thinks. and i think as i said, she's lost alot. a husband, Live through this seems to be the most successful music venture she's ever undertaken and that was 20 years ago, she hasnt been in a movie in a long time. She lost her daughter. She has to be aware of what the media and most people view her as.
Some of the posts in this thread are, quite frankly, reprehensible.
Ok, fine, you think the Foo Fighters music is bland & generic and Dave is a control freak and wrongly fired guitarists & drummers. Fine. (I actually think the last album is overrated, btw).
But comparing Dave Grohl to Jerry Sandusky? Did you really do that? Who the FUCK are you to accuse somebody of something like that!?! :twisted: There is no proof that Dave Grohl is anything but an honorable family man.
And Courtney Love, as usual, shows herself as a low life and scumbag and I haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise.
(anybody hear Jon Stewart compare the Foo Fighters locker room to a daycare center last year? - oh yeah, full of groupies...)
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well she apologized to frances via twitter. kind of goes to show you their relationship, if frances talked to her mom via a statement to press, and then courtney via twitter to frances.
kind of odd how sure courtney was of this affair, and now has apologized. guess thats what believing cab drivers and rumours gets you though...
and significant is the lack of an apology to dave.
Again, its sort of stunning this allegation picked up so much steam, among this board, and elsewhere. there was no basis or truth to it, the people involved denied it and its out of character for both, both are happily married people with good and solid reputations. Not to mention of course the allegations werent from anyone reputable or credible. they were merely rumors and gossip. untrue rumors and gossip at that.
So to sum up I think this was both a bizzare and failed attempt to win her daughter back who she has zero contact with, and at the same time slam and defame dave who she's had an ongoing fued with for nearly 2 decades.
Kind of scary how even with the lack of evidence people seemed to think this was a believable account of an affair.
(anybody hear Jon Stewart compare the Foo Fighters locker room to a daycare center last year?
Which would explain the Jerry Sandusky comparisons.
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Whatever. Troll.
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Again, its sort of stunning this allegation picked up so much steam
Yeah I'm stunned at all the steam this picked up on this board, 4 full pages of posts WOW!!
i was more reacting to the folks posting in this thread who believed the allegations. i could see believing it, if there was some evidence of it. there never was, thats the disturbing and unsettling thing to me. its not like there was solid proof. but people still said "oh yeah, dave did it"
ok. lets get some things straight. i never said he did it, i never said he was a child molester. all i said is that he is a rat fuck and that i can spot one when i see one. everyone saying how can you say that about him with out knowing him. how can every one say that he is the greatest person without knowing him? its works both ways peeps.
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Some of the posts in this thread are, quite frankly, reprehensible.
Ok, fine, you think the Foo Fighters music is bland & generic and Dave is a control freak and wrongly fired guitarists & drummers. Fine. (I actually think the last album is overrated, btw).
But comparing Dave Grohl to Jerry Sandusky? Did you really do that? Who the FUCK are you to accuse somebody of something like that!?! :twisted: There is no proof that Dave Grohl is anything but an honorable family man.
And Courtney Love, as usual, shows herself as a low life and scumbag and I haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise.
(anybody hear Jon Stewart compare the Foo Fighters locker room to a daycare center last year? - oh yeah, full of groupies...)
oh yea, to you. who the fuck are you?
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oh i see, its ok for the all the courtny bashing but not the grohl bashing. i get it now.
saying someone is nuts for their public behaviour and assuming that someone fucked their friend's daughter because they have a feeling about them are not even in the same ball park my friend.
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ok. lets get some things straight. i never said he did it, i never said he was a child molester. all i said is that he is a rat fuck and that i can spot one when i see one. everyone saying how can you say that about him with out knowing him. how can every one say that he is the greatest person without knowing him? its works both ways peeps.
you'll notice that no one said "he's a fabulous guy and I know he didn't do it". all we're saying is don't judge something you know nothing about. I don't claim to know him. and neither should you.
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oh, and by the way, Courtney has since recanted and apologized to Frances over twitter. It went something like this: "so sorry baby, I believed the gossip, Mommy loves you".
where's her apology to Dave and his family? yeah, that's right.
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So to sum up I think this was both a bizzare and failed attempt to win her daughter back who she has zero contact with, and at the same time slam and defame dave who she's had an ongoing fued with for nearly 2 decades.
she has some pretty severe Dave Grohl hate going on. Kinda like some of the people here.
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What are they supposed to say....."yeah we went at it like rabbits and got our freak on baby!" I mean seriously they are not going to admit it if they did. Who really cares anyway.......unless she was under age when it happened? Unfortunately I don't see his music getting better because of this so it's really pointless.
And lets not forget her long standing hatred of Dave and Krist. As far as I know, the fued between her and Dave stretches back to 2001 when the Greatest Hits of Nirvana were released. Courtney publicly said Kurt hated Dave and Krist, and called them not integral to Nirvana. I remember something about her saying Kurt was Nirvana, and that Kurt had told her that Dave and Krist werent important. She blocked the release of You Know Your Right and tried to prevent Dave and Krist from making money and royalties off it for just this reason despite the fact that of course Dave and Krist are featured on it. That was 2001. Frances was what 13 years old. So, whatever problems that are between Dave and Courtney really have nothing to do with Frances.
I think its important to consider the whole story. The beginnings and genesis of it, and how long its gone on. Since 2001, Courtney has bashed Dave in various outlets. What her problem with him is, and what it started from I have no idea, but as I said this has nothing to do with Frances. It never did.
Im one of those people, that you know, requires actual evidence of something, to believe it. I dont slander or call people things, or accuse people of things unless there is actual evidence. Thats the case in this particular story, and its something I hold tight to and adhere to, in general, and in life.
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But, this has turned really ugly. I think her hatred of Dave Grohl stems not so much from the business decisions made around Nirvana's music, but because Dave did what she couldn't do - he moved on, and he' had an incredibly successful career since Kurt's death. The desperation on her part is scary, fair enough go after a grown man and call him all the names you want, but to go after your own daughter like this is really sad.
It's obvious she needs help, and fast. I really wouldn't be surprised if she ends up going the same way as Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson - she's clearly not living in the same world as the rest of us, and probably hasn't done for a long time. Just sad all round.
I dunno if it's as bad as Nickelback, but it's just about as bland and formulaic.
I get it with some of their stuff, but they have plenty of decent stuff too. Wasting Light is a very solid record.
and part of it, you feel really bad for her. we all should. Kurts death was hard enough on his fans. can you imagine what it was like on his loved ones? The fact dave moved on is true, but it took years for him to deal with it. Im sure he still is dealing with it. Kurts death was shocking in a way few things are, it was and remains one of the most significant events of our generation.
the fact she has had major problems dealing with it, moving on, coming to terms with it is expected, could be expected.
Actually, now that i think, the courtney/dave feud stretches back further than 2001. Wasnt that first single from the Foo's first album, "ill stick around" a pointed reference to courtney? that wasnt about frances.
the problems between courtney and dave stem back by my recollection to 1995. The idea this is an issue about frances, thats a smokescreen. its never been about frances. nor do I think its about dave. Its dave and courtney, thats the issue
thats really not the issue though is it. Bands can be bland and formulaic, and still be good people. This wasnt about a bland and generic band. This was an attack on the character and reputation of dave. thats something else entirely.
No and you're right.
It's always the people you least suspect that turn out to be scum bags.
All I can say is he rubs me the wrong way alot of times and I've never thought of him as some beacon of morality. Him banging some young chick wouldn't surprise me in the least bit. There's a certain extra creepy factor to him doing the dirty with Cobain's daughter, but those rock stars can be pretty freaky. I didn't get the insinuation that it happened when she was younger.
Oh yeah it goes all the way back. The thing is Dave is by nature fairly happy go lucky (so far as he has always come across in the media), kind of like Dave Abbruzzese was in Pearl Jam, where Kurt obviously had a very dark side which came out through his music Dave always came across as being of a lighter disposition - I think Courtney finds that jarring, it's all about the tortured genius for her, and Dave has been successful by just being himself. It's like she thinks Dave isn't aware quite how indebted he is to Kurt, which I don't think is the case.
plus lets not forget this isnt some news or tidbit of info she heard from the people involved and then decided to expose it. frances and dave have denied it. And who was the source of the info about dave? wasnt it a cab driver? how the hell would he know? this is "a friend of a friend" type gossip.
frances and courtney also arent close and havent been for years. Kurt's mother and sister had been her primary caregivers and parents for years. she's obviously now living on her own with her husband. As far as i know, she has had little if any contact with her mom. Read her statement about the comments Courtney made. She refers to her as her "biological mother". that says alot and mirrors what i said, she doesnt view courtney as her mom, she's been raised by kurts family. Remember in 2001 or something, she lost custody of frances. thats when kurts family stepped in. I would highly doubt courtney was invited to the wedding frances had last year was it? I see no way courtney could glean any indications from frances that would warrant a mother being worried about stuff like this. I would wager Michael Stipe, who is her godfather has more contact, and is closer to her than courtney is.
As i said, i go by fact and history. Dave's history is clean, and unblemished. And so is frances'. Kurt was a a major influence in my life, and ive tried to keep tabs on what Frances is up to over the years. She's never been in tabloids for being caught with drugs. never been photographed stumbling out of a bar drunk. Never been given a DUI, or arrested. Im sorry, to convince me of some sort of incident or affair, im going to need a little more than a cab driver's "tell all" tale to courtney!
Well done to Frances for taking the higher ground away from this trash.Her mother is as crazy as a shit house rat.
Frances has grown into a beautiful young woman,I hadn't seen pictures of here since she was a toddler.
and as someone previously posted, i have no doubt dave has deep pride and honor and very loving feelings toward kurt and his friendship with him. I dont see anything in the nearly 20 years since kurts death, to suggest dave has dishonored kurts memory. yes dave plays different music than he used to in nirvana. but by all indications kurt was talking about trying something new musicially as well. maybe a blues album. acoustic. REM collab. Who knows.
That could be it as well. theres long been pretty compelling rumors that had kurt lived through 1994, that he was considering maybe leaving nirvana, or trying new musical paths, possibly leaving nirvana. they had already backed out of lolla. i think courtney seems to misunderstand that as "kurt hating dave and krist". i dont think they hated one another. Theres no evidence of that.
i could see kurt doing that. quitting nirvana to become a painter. or pull a radiohead and release a folk album or experiment in other styles. Or maybe he could have quit the music buisness forever and just do something else with his life. or take a long time releasing album 3. And i wish he would have. One would have to think that was a dilemma in his mind near the time of his death, what his options were, and how to proceed. i obviously wish he would have gone that route.
maybe there is even some feelings of her blaming dave and krist for his death. after all they were his close friends, why couldnt they have stopped or alerted people of what his mental state was, maybe thats what she thinks. and i think as i said, she's lost alot. a husband, Live through this seems to be the most successful music venture she's ever undertaken and that was 20 years ago, she hasnt been in a movie in a long time. She lost her daughter. She has to be aware of what the media and most people view her as.
how the hell can someone come to this conclusion without personally knowing them.
Ok, fine, you think the Foo Fighters music is bland & generic and Dave is a control freak and wrongly fired guitarists & drummers. Fine. (I actually think the last album is overrated, btw).
But comparing Dave Grohl to Jerry Sandusky? Did you really do that? Who the FUCK are you to accuse somebody of something like that!?! :twisted: There is no proof that Dave Grohl is anything but an honorable family man.
And Courtney Love, as usual, shows herself as a low life and scumbag and I haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise.
(anybody hear Jon Stewart compare the Foo Fighters locker room to a daycare center last year? - oh yeah, full of groupies...)
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kind of odd how sure courtney was of this affair, and now has apologized. guess thats what believing cab drivers and rumours gets you though...
and significant is the lack of an apology to dave.
Again, its sort of stunning this allegation picked up so much steam, among this board, and elsewhere. there was no basis or truth to it, the people involved denied it and its out of character for both, both are happily married people with good and solid reputations. Not to mention of course the allegations werent from anyone reputable or credible. they were merely rumors and gossip. untrue rumors and gossip at that.
So to sum up I think this was both a bizzare and failed attempt to win her daughter back who she has zero contact with, and at the same time slam and defame dave who she's had an ongoing fued with for nearly 2 decades.
Kind of scary how even with the lack of evidence people seemed to think this was a believable account of an affair.
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Whatever. Troll.
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i was more reacting to the folks posting in this thread who believed the allegations. i could see believing it, if there was some evidence of it. there never was, thats the disturbing and unsettling thing to me. its not like there was solid proof. but people still said "oh yeah, dave did it"
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"what a long, strange trip it's been"
oh yea, to you. who the fuck are you?
saying someone is nuts for their public behaviour and assuming that someone fucked their friend's daughter because they have a feeling about them are not even in the same ball park my friend.
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you'll notice that no one said "he's a fabulous guy and I know he didn't do it". all we're saying is don't judge something you know nothing about. I don't claim to know him. and neither should you.
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where's her apology to Dave and his family? yeah, that's right.
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she has some pretty severe Dave Grohl hate going on. Kinda like some of the people here.
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