Courtney Love says Grohl had sex with Frances Bean Cobain

and courtneys always been like this. im from eugene, and at the time of kurts death her family was still living here. she spent time at a juvenile detention facility here as a kid. by all accounts she had a pretty traumatic and crazy childhood and teen years. she was accused of doing heroin when she was pregnant with frances. and to lose kurt in such a violent way, and to have to deal with that in the public eye. and to have a significant amount of people say you were responsible for his death. i mean that would be tough for anyone to handle and deal with. thats all going to have an effect.

plus lets not forget this isnt some news or tidbit of info she heard from the people involved and then decided to expose it. frances and dave have denied it. And who was the source of the info about dave? wasnt it a cab driver? how the hell would he know? this is "a friend of a friend" type gossip.

frances and courtney also arent close and havent been for years. Kurt's mother and sister had been her primary caregivers and parents for years. she's obviously now living on her own with her husband. As far as i know, she has had little if any contact with her mom. Read her statement about the comments Courtney made. She refers to her as her "biological mother". that says alot and mirrors what i said, she doesnt view courtney as her mom, she's been raised by kurts family. Remember in 2001 or something, she lost custody of frances. thats when kurts family stepped in. I would highly doubt courtney was invited to the wedding frances had last year was it? I see no way courtney could glean any indications from frances that would warrant a mother being worried about stuff like this. I would wager Michael Stipe, who is her godfather has more contact, and is closer to her than courtney is.

As i said, i go by fact and history. Dave's history is clean, and unblemished. And so is frances'. Kurt was a a major influence in my life, and ive tried to keep tabs on what Frances is up to over the years. She's never been in tabloids for being caught with drugs. never been photographed stumbling out of a bar drunk. Never been given a DUI, or arrested. Im sorry, to convince me of some sort of incident or affair, im going to need a little more than a cab driver's "tell all" tale to courtney!

plus look at the tweets she made during that same twitter rant. Courtney accused dave of being obsessed with kurt, naming his daughter after a Courtney song in Hole, that Taylor looks like Kurt. That doesnt make much sense to me, and i dont think it makes sense to anyone really. These two, dave and courtney have disliked each other for a long time, this is just a new chapter in this long long story.

and as someone previously posted, i have no doubt dave has deep pride and honor and very loving feelings toward kurt and his friendship with him. I dont see anything in the nearly 20 years since kurts death, to suggest dave has dishonored kurts memory. yes dave plays different music than he used to in nirvana. but by all indications kurt was talking about trying something new musicially as well. maybe a blues album. acoustic. REM collab. Who knows.

That could be it as well. theres long been pretty compelling rumors that had kurt lived through 1994, that he was considering maybe leaving nirvana, or trying new musical paths, possibly leaving nirvana. they had already backed out of lolla. i think courtney seems to misunderstand that as "kurt hating dave and krist". i dont think they hated one another. Theres no evidence of that.

i could see kurt doing that. quitting nirvana to become a painter. or pull a radiohead and release a folk album or experiment in other styles. Or maybe he could have quit the music buisness forever and just do something else with his life. or take a long time releasing album 3. And i wish he would have. One would have to think that was a dilemma in his mind near the time of his death, what his options were, and how to proceed. i obviously wish he would have gone that route.

maybe there is even some feelings of her blaming dave and krist for his death. after all they were his close friends, why couldnt they have stopped or alerted people of what his mental state was, maybe thats what she thinks. and i think as i said, she's lost alot. a husband, Live through this seems to be the most successful music venture she's ever undertaken and that was 20 years ago, she hasnt been in a movie in a long time. She lost her daughter. She has to be aware of what the media and most people view her as.

Some of the posts in this thread are, quite frankly, reprehensible.

Ok, fine, you think the Foo Fighters music is bland & generic and Dave is a control freak and wrongly fired guitarists & drummers. Fine. (I actually think the last album is overrated, btw).

But comparing Dave Grohl to Jerry Sandusky? Did you really do that? Who the FUCK are you to accuse somebody of something like that!?! :twisted: There is no proof that Dave Grohl is anything but an honorable family man.

And Courtney Love, as usual, shows herself as a low life and scumbag and I haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise.

(anybody hear Jon Stewart compare the Foo Fighters locker room to a daycare center last year? - oh yeah, full of groupies...)

well she apologized to frances via twitter. kind of goes to show you their relationship, if frances talked to her mom via a statement to press, and then courtney via twitter to frances.

kind of odd how sure courtney was of this affair, and now has apologized. guess thats what believing cab drivers and rumours gets you though...

and significant is the lack of an apology to dave.

Again, its sort of stunning this allegation picked up so much steam, among this board, and elsewhere. there was no basis or truth to it, the people involved denied it and its out of character for both, both are happily married people with good and solid reputations. Not to mention of course the allegations werent from anyone reputable or credible. they were merely rumors and gossip. untrue rumors and gossip at that.

So to sum up I think this was both a bizzare and failed attempt to win her daughter back who she has zero contact with, and at the same time slam and defame dave who she's had an ongoing fued with for nearly 2 decades.

Kind of scary how even with the lack of evidence people seemed to think this was a believable account of an affair.

musicismylife78 wrote:

Again, its sort of stunning this allegation picked up so much steam

Yeah I'm stunned at all the steam this picked up on this board, 4 full pages of posts WOW!!

ComeToTX wrote:

Crazy bitch

Mamasan23 wrote:

Wow she's so nuts it's ridiculous. I feel bad for Frances...

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me, too

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Some of the posts in this thread are, quite frankly, reprehensible.

Ok, fine, you think the Foo Fighters music is bland & generic and Dave is a control freak and wrongly fired guitarists & drummers. Fine. (I actually think the last album is overrated, btw).

But comparing Dave Grohl to Jerry Sandusky? Did you really do that? Who the FUCK are you to accuse somebody of something like that!?! :twisted: There is no proof that Dave Grohl is anything but an honorable family man.

And Courtney Love, as usual, shows herself as a low life and scumbag and I haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise.

(anybody hear Jon Stewart compare the Foo Fighters locker room to a daycare center last year? - oh yeah, full of groupies...)

oh yea, to you. who the fuck are you?

MANKIND wrote:

oh i see, its ok for the all the courtny bashing but not the grohl bashing. i get it now.

saying someone is nuts for their public behaviour and assuming that someone fucked their friend's daughter because they have a feeling about them are not even in the same ball park my friend.

oh, and by the way, Courtney has since recanted and apologized to Frances over twitter. It went something like this: "so sorry baby, I believed the gossip, Mommy loves you".

where's her apology to Dave and his family? yeah, that's right.