The Official "I hate daughter" thread

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  • TheDudeisaPJfan
    TheDudeisaPJfan Posts: 124
    stickfig13 wrote:
    No because they don't annoy me...Daughter does.

    not the same deal...


    Dude, you are completely allowed to express your opinion...that was my point. But you asked your reader to see your point of view? What is your point of view? You never expressed that. You only shared that you don't like it. Big deal. Tell us why does it annoy you? Is because of the tags you hear live? Tell us why you have come to the conclusion you have about the song. Just because it annoys you doesn't really mean shit if you can't tell us why. Give your reader some insight and at least make your opinion interesting.
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  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    TheDudeisaPJfan wrote:
    Dude, you are completely allowed to express your opinion...that was my point. But you asked your reader to see your point of view? What is your point of view? You never expressed that. You only shared that you don't like it. Big deal. Tell us why does it annoy you? Is because of the tags you hear live? Tell us why you have come to the conclusion you have about the song. Just because it annoys you doesn't really mean shit if you can't tell us why. Give your reader some insight and at least make your opinion interesting.


    I was replying to Man_of the_hour's comment. Jokingly...


    Daughter annoys me for the following reasons:

    1. It kills shows
    2. It's a boring song
    3. It's not played with tags nearly as much
    4. It kills shows when not played with tags
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,107
    stickfig13 wrote:
    No because they don't annoy me...Daughter does.

    not the same deal...
    stickfig13 wrote:
    I think daughter is an annoying show killer that is played way too often, which is the reason it's a show killer

    your words


    played to often=show killer

    same deal
  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Get_Right wrote:
    your words


    played to often=show killer

    same deal


    The other songs don't at all slow the pace of the show....daughter does.

    different :)
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,107
    stickfig13 wrote:
    The other songs don't at all slow the pace of the show....daughter does.

    different :)

    black sure does,

    but I hear you, its not your favorite PJ song

    :)
  • illegal pants
    illegal pants Posts: 13,471
    stickfig13 wrote:
    1. It kills shows

    no way... :)
    wah
  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Get_Right wrote:
    black sure does,

    but I hear you, its not your favorite PJ song

    :)


    Black doesn't suck.....Daughter does.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    never really cared for Daughter or Small Town. they're good songs. I just don't like them
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,107
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Black doesn't suck.....Daughter does.


    last word
    :)
  • TheDudeisaPJfan
    TheDudeisaPJfan Posts: 124
    Get_Right wrote:
    black sure does,

    but I hear you, its not your favorite PJ song

    :)

    I'm sorry, man. I feel like I'm picking on you...but, in case you haven't noticed, the set list are always different and there is a ton of thought that goes into each shows set. This is one of the things that makes the greatest band in the world so unique. Now, there are tons of songs that are slow or fast or whatever, but I never think of them as show killers and especially not Daughter. There is an eb and flow to the show, it just can't be WWS or Animal or whatever you think kicks ass all the time. If that was the case we wouldn't get two and half hour long shows. Anyway, my point is Daughter is one of their biggest hits from back in the day and they don't play it all the time live. But when they do I really don't think it's a show killer. It's quite enjoyable, in my opinion. I really don't even see how anyone could consider any song a show killer, except for the "hear's to the state of Mississippi" ed did with tim robbins in L.A.. That I think killed at least the momentum of an otherwise killer fucking time. Gotta get back to work!
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  • Man_Of_The_Hour
    Man_Of_The_Hour Posts: 330
    stickfig13 wrote:
    I was replying to Man_of the_hour's comment. Jokingly...

    So it's all my fault now or what? ;)
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  • Evolution6579
    Evolution6579 Posts: 624
    I think music....let's make that "good" music....is an aural representation of the emotions contained in each song. This approach makes it easier for me to distance myself from shitty music. The tag "emo" is ludicrous because it is, the way I see it, associated with shitty, disposable music now and should be associated with music that makes you think and hopefully conjures up the emotions that are conveyed by the artist.
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Daughter annoys me for the following reasons:

    1. It kills shows
    2. It's a boring song
    3. It's not played with tags nearly as much
    4. It kills shows when not played with tags

    So....for OP to say that Daughter is annoying because of these reasons is kinda silly to me. I agree with The Dude that no song is really a show killer. So it is still a boring song and kills shows when not played with tags?

    I like hearing tags on songs, too but I think you are missing the point here, Stickfig.
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  • simpleman
    simpleman Posts: 425
    at this point in time, I would agree Daughter could be considered boring or past its time. There have been many radio times, where I've changed the channel immediately. But live is a different thing all together. Never a show killer and always executed well. just an opinion.....
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    i love just about any live version of daughter. the tags are great, especially "its ok." i dont get how you could call it a show killer though. its a slower song but that doesn't make it bad. if you listen to pearl jam just for the loud, fast, rockin tunes, then i can see why you feel this way. however, if thats the only reason you listen to pearl jam, i feel bad for you because they are so much more than that.
  • CitizenRick
    CitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    Give me a break...Daughter is a classic PJ tune whether you like it or not.

    I'm sure I'm just as hardcore a fan as you...but I don't feel the need to bash the mainstream hits to prove it.

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  • bettermanofthehour
    bettermanofthehour Posts: 355
    daughter is one of those songs that I will skip when it first comes on. but if for some reason i get a couple of seconds into it I have to listen to it.

    i love every pj song, except for wma
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  • gleemonex
    gleemonex Posts: 848
    I liked Daughter a ton when I was getting into Pearl Jam. It's a great song. The studio version has worn out on me over the years, but live, it certainly does not kill shows. It, Black and Betterman are some of the best Ed/Crowd interactions during any show.
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  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    TheDudeisaPJfan wrote:
    I'm sorry, man. I feel like I'm picking on you...but, in case you haven't noticed, the set list are always different and there is a ton of thought that goes into each shows set. This is one of the things that makes the greatest band in the world so unique. Now, there are tons of songs that are slow or fast or whatever, but I never think of them as show killers and especially not Daughter. There is an eb and flow to the show, it just can't be WWS or Animal or whatever you think kicks ass all the time. If that was the case we wouldn't get two and half hour long shows. Anyway, my point is Daughter is one of their biggest hits from back in the day and they don't play it all the time live. But when they do I really don't think it's a show killer. It's quite enjoyable, in my opinion. I really don't even see how anyone could consider any song a show killer, except for the "hear's to the state of Mississippi" ed did with tim robbins in L.A.. That I think killed at least the momentum of an otherwise killer fucking time. Gotta get back to work!

    I believe in the Italy DVD, Ed says he doesn't spend much time on the set....

    It could be the other way around.

    You're dead on about Tim Robbins! That killed those shows! I remember thinking beofre the song started, "This is gonna kill this show!"
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  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    first of all daughter is a song that deals with an important subject that 99% of rock groups won't touch,so big ups to Ed for that

    second who gives a fuck that you find it boring.I'm sure everyone has a song or two they don't care for.

    third I'm right there with you on last kiss,but I'm not going to say they shouldn't play it because other people like it.

    maybe you were abused too and the song opens up old wounds?

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  • walkthamile
    walkthamile Posts: 349
    stickfig13 wrote:
    How am I supposed to turn my friends on to PJ when they continue to play a song like that!

    Don't even get me started on Last Kiss!

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