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stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
edited March 2008 in The Porch
How am I supposed to turn my friends on to PJ when they continue to play a song like that!

Don't even get me started on Last Kiss!
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  • Man_Of_The_HourMan_Of_The_Hour Posts: 330
    Totally with you regarding Last Kiss, but Daughter?! I thought that was one that was above the fray...
    Well, do you need a lot of what you've got to survive?
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Man_Of_The_Hour wrote:
    Totally with you regarding Last Kiss, but Daughter?! I thought that was one that was above the fray...


    Nope...

    It's below the fray right next to Evacuation
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  • Man_Of_The_HourMan_Of_The_Hour Posts: 330
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Nope...

    It's below the fray right next to Evacuation

    Agree to disagree?

    And I promise I'll leave your Daughter-hating thread alone after that ;)
    Well, do you need a lot of what you've got to survive?
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Man_Of_The_Hour wrote:
    Agree to disagree?

    And I promise I'll leave your Daughter-hating thread alone after that ;)

    OK...Agree to Disagree

    ...but I strongly urge you consider my point of view! ;)
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  • upina2001upina2001 Posts: 764
    HATE is an awful strong word.
    Would I rather hear a different song on the radio? Yeah.
    If could hear 3 other songs at a live show other than daughter? Yeah.
    Is it because it is a cliche to say "daughter" is your favorite song? Yeah.
    Just like "Betterman", do you fast-forward until the 2:45 mark just to hear the tag rather than the entire song? Yeah.
    Are there better PJ songs? Yeah.
    Still dont hate the song; it's better than any Creed song. :D

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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    The song is just tired and annoying to me....

    Are there worse songs? Yes

    Are there better songs in the catalog? Hell Yes!

    PLAY EM! Retire Daughter (and last kiss for Man_of the hour)
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  • SENROCKSENROCK Posts: 10,736
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Don't even get me started on Last Kiss!

    holy freakin McCready that was funny!!! :D
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  • stpmattbstpmattb Posts: 956
    No Daughter, then no "It's Okay" - and that would be sad.
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  • Dirty FrankkDirty Frankk Posts: 4,274
    upina2001 wrote:
    HATE is an awful strong word.
    Would I rather hear a different song on the radio? Yeah.
    If could hear 3 other songs at a live show other than daughter? Yeah.
    Is it because it is a cliche to say "daughter" is your favorite song? Yeah.
    Just like "Betterman", do you fast-forward until the 2:45 mark just to hear the tag rather than the entire song? Yeah.
    Are there better PJ songs? Yeah.
    Still dont hate the song; it's better than any Creed song. :D

    I 100% AGREE WITH YOU MAN, NOW WE CAN CLOSE THIS THREAD :)
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,575
    stpmattb wrote:
    No Daughter, then no "It's Okay" - and that would be sad.

    word >>>>>>>
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    stpmattb wrote:
    No Daughter, then no "It's Okay" - and that would be sad.

    Which has been played once maybe twice...?
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  • Niko80Niko80 Posts: 1,601
    Daughter was amazing on the 2000 tour. They took it to all kinds of directions with creative interplay and tags. Nowadays, I kinda agree its a showstopper, but thats only for me. Its a song many causal fans want to hear.


    Daughter has also turned many people into Pearl Jam. I can tell you that much. When vs came out, daughter was a song reviewers highlighted and the one people were most excitied about.

    It has done its job in the recruiting department thats for sure!
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Dirty Frankk wrote:
    I 100% AGREE WITH YOU MAN, NOW WE CAN CLOSE THIS THREAD :)
    No stopping this thread!


    You can just talk your peace talk over to the "McCready is a bad ass mofo thread"!

    ;)
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I'm not in the habit of wishing things away. I know I will probably miss them when they are gone.
    ...
    For example... wishing away 'Daughter' or 'Last Kiss' to satisfy your own selfish wants may result in... the dissolution of Pearl Jam. No Pearl Jam and your wish of no 'Daughter' is granted.
    As for me... I will graciously accept whatever it is that's offered to me. I know it will not last forever and eventually it will all be gone. As for now... I'll accept it.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,575
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Which has been played once maybe twice...?

    ahhhhhh wrong, just let your friends be clueless most likely you were one yourself before you saw the light .....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • TheDudeisaPJfanTheDudeisaPJfan Posts: 124
    stickfig13 wrote:
    OK...Agree to Disagree

    ...but I strongly urge you consider my point of view! ;)


    What exactly is your point of view? Other then some sort of "frey" that has or has not been crossed all you really expressed was an opinion. An opinion that really has no merit other than being food for fodder for the message board. With that said, I will express my opinion and say that I think daughter is a cool song. Especially when you listen to it within the context of the album. If you would like more of an insight just let me know, and as always, rockon.
    I can get you a toe by three o'clock...
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    TheDudeisaPJfan wrote:
    What exactly is your point of view? Other then some sort of "frey" that has or has not been crossed all you really expressed was an opinion. An opinion that really has no merit other than being food for fodder for the message board. With that said, I will express my opinion and say that I think daughter is a cool song. Especially when you listen to it within the context of the album. If you would like more of an insight just let me know, and as always, rockon.


    Wow....I was unaware that my "opinion" was not allowed. Maybe I was blinded by all the other "opinions" on the board. It's my understanding that most threads are "message board fodder" or else they would have little business on a "discussion board"

    With that said, I think daughter is an annoying show killer that is played way too often, which is the reason it's a show killer.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,146
    no daughter

    no chance for WMA

    nuff said

    plus jeff is bad ass on the stand up
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,146
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Wow....I was unaware that my "opinion" was not allowed. Maybe I was blinded by all the other "opinions" on the board. It's my understanding that most threads are "message board fodder" or else they would have little business on a "discussion board"

    With that said, I think daughter is an annoying show killer that is played way too often, which is the reason it's a show killer.

    feel the same way about Corduroy? Black? Even Flow? Alive? Evolution? Small town? porch?
    yl?

    same deal
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Get_Right wrote:
    feel the same way about Corduroy? Black? Even Flow? Alive? Evolution? Small town? porch?
    yl?

    same deal


    No because they don't annoy me...Daughter does.

    not the same deal...
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  • TheDudeisaPJfanTheDudeisaPJfan Posts: 124
    stickfig13 wrote:
    No because they don't annoy me...Daughter does.

    not the same deal...


    Dude, you are completely allowed to express your opinion...that was my point. But you asked your reader to see your point of view? What is your point of view? You never expressed that. You only shared that you don't like it. Big deal. Tell us why does it annoy you? Is because of the tags you hear live? Tell us why you have come to the conclusion you have about the song. Just because it annoys you doesn't really mean shit if you can't tell us why. Give your reader some insight and at least make your opinion interesting.
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    TheDudeisaPJfan wrote:
    Dude, you are completely allowed to express your opinion...that was my point. But you asked your reader to see your point of view? What is your point of view? You never expressed that. You only shared that you don't like it. Big deal. Tell us why does it annoy you? Is because of the tags you hear live? Tell us why you have come to the conclusion you have about the song. Just because it annoys you doesn't really mean shit if you can't tell us why. Give your reader some insight and at least make your opinion interesting.


    I was replying to Man_of the_hour's comment. Jokingly...


    Daughter annoys me for the following reasons:

    1. It kills shows
    2. It's a boring song
    3. It's not played with tags nearly as much
    4. It kills shows when not played with tags
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,146
    stickfig13 wrote:
    No because they don't annoy me...Daughter does.

    not the same deal...
    stickfig13 wrote:
    I think daughter is an annoying show killer that is played way too often, which is the reason it's a show killer

    your words


    played to often=show killer

    same deal
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Get_Right wrote:
    your words


    played to often=show killer

    same deal


    The other songs don't at all slow the pace of the show....daughter does.

    different :)
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,146
    stickfig13 wrote:
    The other songs don't at all slow the pace of the show....daughter does.

    different :)

    black sure does,

    but I hear you, its not your favorite PJ song

    :)
  • illegal pantsillegal pants Posts: 13,471
    stickfig13 wrote:
    1. It kills shows

    no way... :)
    wah
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Get_Right wrote:
    black sure does,

    but I hear you, its not your favorite PJ song

    :)


    Black doesn't suck.....Daughter does.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    never really cared for Daughter or Small Town. they're good songs. I just don't like them
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,146
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Black doesn't suck.....Daughter does.


    last word
    :)
  • TheDudeisaPJfanTheDudeisaPJfan Posts: 124
    Get_Right wrote:
    black sure does,

    but I hear you, its not your favorite PJ song

    :)

    I'm sorry, man. I feel like I'm picking on you...but, in case you haven't noticed, the set list are always different and there is a ton of thought that goes into each shows set. This is one of the things that makes the greatest band in the world so unique. Now, there are tons of songs that are slow or fast or whatever, but I never think of them as show killers and especially not Daughter. There is an eb and flow to the show, it just can't be WWS or Animal or whatever you think kicks ass all the time. If that was the case we wouldn't get two and half hour long shows. Anyway, my point is Daughter is one of their biggest hits from back in the day and they don't play it all the time live. But when they do I really don't think it's a show killer. It's quite enjoyable, in my opinion. I really don't even see how anyone could consider any song a show killer, except for the "hear's to the state of Mississippi" ed did with tim robbins in L.A.. That I think killed at least the momentum of an otherwise killer fucking time. Gotta get back to work!
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